Costa Mesa, CA to stand w/ AZ?

[bob4432]

interesting, CA infighting:

Calif. City Takes Stand Against Illegal Immigration as Ariz. Boycott Battle Rages

A California city mere miles from the metropolis that imposed a boycott on Arizona over its immigration law has just weighed in on the other side of the debate -- voting to declare itself a "Rule of Law City" where illegal immigrants are not welcome.

A California city mere miles from the metropolis that imposed a boycott on Arizona over its immigration law has just weighed in on the other side of the debate -- voting to declare itself a "Rule of Law City" where illegal immigrants are not welcome.

The decision by the Costa Mesa City Council comes after the Los Angeles City Council voted last week to suspend official travel to Arizona and end future contracts with state businesses in protest of Arizona's immigration policy. That decision sparked a war of words between Los Angeles and Arizona officials, who this week warned the city their Arizona-based power supply could be at risk.

Several other local governments across the country have proposed or implemented similar boycotts on Arizona since the law passed last month. But Costa Mesa's declaration puts it on the other side of the fence, as a counterweight to those jurisdictions that have declared themselves "sanctuary cities" for illegal immigrants.

Mayor Allan Mansoor told Fox News on Thursday that the "Rule of Law" resolution should "set the tone" for tougher policies to come. As Arizona officers are now empowered to do, Mansoor said Costa Mesa law enforcement should be able to ask suspects for proof of legal residency.

"It's the right thing to do," he said.

Los Angeles officials couldn't disagree more. They continued to stand by their Arizona boycott after a state utility official -- Arizona Corporation Commission member Gary Pierce -- on Tuesday warned that state power companies would be "happy" to stop sending electricity to Los Angeles if the city really wants to cut ties. Los Angeles gets about a quarter of its electricity from the state.

But on Thursday, the Arizona official appeared to be turning down the voltage on his warning.

After intense media coverage and a fresh round of name-calling, Los Angeles and Arizona officials acknowledge that Arizona could not unilaterally sever those power contracts.

Los Angeles has an ownership stake, albeit a small one, in two Arizona power plants -- one coal plant and one nuclear plant.

Austin Beutner, general manager of the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, flaunted that detail in a statement Wednesday.

"We are part owner of both power plants, which are generating assets of the department," he said. "As such, nothing in the city's resolution is inconsistent with our continuing to receive power from those ... assets." For good measure, the official urged convention organizers who are canceling their Arizona plans to consider the "City of Angels" as their convention destination.

Pierce spokesman John LeSueur conceded that Los Angeles would have to volunteer to abandon those power contracts before the Arizona Corporation Commission could negotiate for other customers to take their place.

"The ball is in L.A.'s court," he said.

But LeSueur said the point his boss was trying to make is that Los Angeles benefits from Arizona and should be prepared to truly cut ties if it wants a genuine boycott.

And he said Beutner's claim that Los Angeles is generating its own resources is bogus since the plants are still based in Arizona.

"That's just a complete non sequitur," he said. "For him to suggest, 'because we own it we're not using Arizona resources,' just doesn't follow."

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...-illegal-immigration-az-boycott-battle-rages/

 

[theflyingpig]

The lines are being drawn. Soon there will be war. People will die. I can't wait.

 

[Zebo]

The OC makes Texas look like Berkeley.

 

[Ronstang]

The lines are being drawn. Soon there will be war. People will die. I can't wait.

Unfortunately I think you are right, and I am prepared, but I can wait...forever hopefully.

 

[grebe925]

Can't we all get along? Where's Rodney King when we need him?

 

[Jimbo]

The OC makes Texas look like Berkeley.

I'm so stealing that one.

 

[Patranus]

Can't we all get along? Where's Rodney King when we need him?

Smoking crack and running from the police?

 

[theeedude]

Illegal immigration is the homosexual marriage of 2010. Another wedge issue to get the bigots agitated and voting for people who are going to fvck them over once they have the power, as they've done time and time again.

 

[Jimbo]

Sorry senseamp, you have already played your allotted maximum number of race cards for this election cycle.

It always amazes me how jaw-dropingly stupid demagogues such as yourself will become in an effort to smear any opposition.

RACISM!!
OMG
Eleventy!!!!

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Illegal immigration is the homosexual marriage of 2010. Another wedge issue to get the bigots agitated and voting for people who are going to fvck them over once they have the power, as they've done time and time again.

Are you going to compare illegal immigration to the civil rights movement next?

 

[theeedude]

Are you going to compare illegal immigration to the civil rights movement next?

No, that was a real issue of fairness between Americans. Illegal immigration is basically an economic issue, that some snake oil salesmen are promising you a political solution to. We need and want the cheap labor of these illegals, a lot of modern America was literally built by them. They are just here to make some money from Americans who want to hire them.

 

[Jimbo]

No, that was a real issue of fairness between Americans. Illegal immigration is basically an economic issue, that some snake oil salesmen are promising you a political solution to. We need and want the cheap labor of these illegals, a lot of modern America was literally built by them. They are just here to make some money from Americans who want to hire them.

Do you realize that you are advocating for a permanent Helot class condemned to servitude? Do you even care?
Somewhere along the line you got confused between "nice" and "good".

That "cheap labor" benefits only those who exploit human misery for money and the rest of us are stuck with the tab for the social costs, and that is not "good".

 

[her209]

That "cheap labor" benefits only those who exploit human misery for money and the rest of us are stuck with the tab for the social costs, and that is not "good".

What about companies that layoff their employees in the US to exploit the cheap labor in China while the rest of us are stuck with the tab for the social costs. Is that any better?

Hey, at least we get cheap(ly made) products.

 

[Zebo]

senseamp - It's an economic issue alright. Traditional minorities and the uneducated are being displaced and sent to unemployment lines for illegal labor at lower wages. Unions can not be formed, in fact they are decreasing with an unlimited supply of labor. The ONLY people that benefit are the top 10% and of course the illegal laborers since they make 10x what they make from thier countries of origin..

So where will this leave us? Sorta like Mexico a large underclass with 10% middle and 1% uber rich. Pretty easy to see why many folks, in fact co-incidentally, about 80% of Americans want no part of illegal immigration when we are floating 20% U6 unemployment levels and cities and municipal govts are bankrupt.

Makes no economic sense.

I don't know about racial. Seems like a canard, labeling and represents a very small minority as opposed to the economic resistance.

I used to build homes before the housing market took a dive and while most of my subs were white almost all the laborers were Hispanic. These subs had no problem hiring Hispanics because they were cheap, nothing to do with race and we're talking big time rednecks here, 4x4s, chewing tobacco the whole 9 yards. Money and love trumps all and the hiring and resistance of illegal immigration is economic in nature.

 

[Jimbo]

What about companies that layoff their employees in the US to exploit the cheap labor in China while the rest of us are stuck with the tab for the social costs. Is that any better?

Hey, at least we get cheap(ly made) products.

That's not good either. Hell, by your reasoning we should just go all the way and revoke the 13th amendment. Then we could make things REALLY cheap.

If CHEAP is all you care about, then let's import a bunch of unemployed from Central Africa. They will work even cheaper than the Mexicans, but do you really see that as an improvement?

Exploitation and oppression are never moral or correct options, and always have a far greater long-term cost.
People should mean more to you than the bottom line of a balance sheet, because ultimately few thing are more expensive than "cheap labor".

 

[Kadarin]

Not everyone here in CA is a mindless liberal. I suspect a lot of us fully support Arizona's attempt to get the illegals to get the fuck out; I certainly do.

 

[Double Trouble]

Good move by Costa Mesa... I guess it underscores what Kadarin said: contrary to what many outside CA believe, not everyone in that state is a left wing nutcase and the leadership of every town / city in the state isn't as stupid as the 'leaders' of cities like LA, SF etc.

 

[Red Dawn]

Not everyone here in CA is a mindless liberal. I suspect a lot of us fully support Arizona's attempt to get the illegals to get the fuck out; I certainly do.

That seems to be the sentiment in Central CA where I just spent two weeks.

Personally I think a better solution would be to go after those who hire them with massive fines and forfeiture of all proceeds made from the use of Illegals. I wonder why they don't do that?

 

[Linflas]

That seems to be the sentiment in Central CA where I just spent two weeks.

Personally I think a better solution would be to go after those who hire them with massive fines and forfeiture of all proceeds made from the use of Illegals. I wonder why they don't do that?

Agreed. If that was part of an enforcement package a large number of them would self deport. To do that though a law would have to be crafted that provides a state/Federal method for an employer to quickly determine a potential employees immigration status and provide them immunity if they followed accepted procedures and ended up employing an illegal.

 

[palehorse]

Agreed. If that was part of an enforcement package a large number of them would self deport. To do that though a law would have to be crafted that provides a state/Federal method for an employer to quickly determine a potential employees immigration status and provide them immunity if they followed accepted procedures and ended up employing an illegal.

The system, and those laws, already exist. the system is called e-Verify, and it works. The problems are that too many companies choose not to use it, and the Feds are not doing anything to make them start.

Fines, jail, deportation, etc etc. These are the steps the Feds are failing to implement. And, based on what we're seeing in Congress and the White House, they don't plan to do any of the above any time soon.

We're falked.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

No, that was a real issue of fairness between Americans. Illegal immigration is basically an economic issue, that some snake oil salesmen are promising you a political solution to. We need and want the cheap labor of these illegals, a lot of modern America was literally built by them. They are just here to make some money from Americans who want to hire them.

You know, you're right. I would also recommend we start putting kids to work. I think you can probably train 5 or 6 year olds to pick stuff in the fields. Better yet, they have no families to support, so you can pay them REALLY cheaply!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Personally I think a better solution would be to go after those who hire them with massive fines and forfeiture of all proceeds made from the use of Illegals. I wonder why they don't do that?

They should attack it from 3 angles:

1. Fine the businesses that hire them, as you said.
2. Enforce the existing laws and deport illegals as they're found.
3. Secure the damn borders! Of the people flooding across the border, I think migratory farm workers are the LEAST of our worries.

 

[nick1985]

Illegal immigration is the homosexual marriage of 2010. Another wedge issue to get the bigots agitated and voting for people who are going to fvck them over once they have the power, as they've done time and time again.

Most people against illegal immigration are not bigots. Calling them bigots only emboldens them, you are hurting your cause with such rhetoric.

 

[Exterous]

Agreed. If that was part of an enforcement package a large number of them would self deport. To do that though a law would have to be crafted that provides a state/Federal method for an employer to quickly determine a potential employees immigration status and provide them immunity if they followed accepted procedures and ended up employing an illegal.

I think thats a big sticking point right there. In order to successfully implement a massive fine program on companies that use illegal labor you would need federal support - and I don't think you are going to get it. The Democrats in office have shown that they don't care about having that many illegals here and Republicans are against anything that could potentially punish businesses

It's too bad really - they could make a hell of a compromise. Give the Democrats the ability to use the fines for social programs and while the businesses take a hit the Republicans get no new tax increases

 

[Exterous]

Illegal immigration is the homosexual marriage of 2010. Another wedge issue to get the bigots agitated and voting for people who are going to fvck them over once they have the power, as they've done time and time again.

Please - I am pro gay marriage and am for the enforcement of our immigration laws (That's how I see the bill). I have no issues with people of different races being here - as long as they come here LEGALLY. That in no way shape or form fits into the definition of a bigot.

As for voting people in who fvck them over - well it seems that will happen with anyone you vote in. Anymore it seems like we are just voting for which hole they use and if we would rather be taken to a movie or dinner first