Corvette drag race fail.

[3chordcharlie]

The best way to get over this is drive in the snow in the mountains. You either end up in snow bank or learn how to turn into your slide without stomping the breaks.

Yup. Learned to drive on a RWD hatch with semi-bald tires and a manual transmission, in the snow.

I'm no racer, but basic car control becomes second nature if you survive learning like that.

 

[ShawnD1]

The best way to get over this is drive in the snow in the mountains. You either end up in snow bank or learn how to turn into your slide without stomping the breaks.

It also makes a huge difference if you're driving a manual vs an automatic. If it feels like my car is sliding too much, holding the clutch down makes it immediately regain traction. The engine trying to slow the car is every bit as bad as using the brakes.

I'm no racer, but basic car control becomes second nature if you survive learning like that.

It also helps when the car does not have any kind of "traction control" to screw with the learning experience. Without traction control, all RWD are the same, all FWD are the same. With traction control, every car is different. My Corolla had very aggressive traction control that immediately cuts power if any slip is detected. Nissan's traction control lets the tires spin a lot more. Knowing how to drive a Camry doesn't mean someone also knows how to drive a Maxima.

 

[Dman8777]

Or better yet, go with AWD and never loose traction on dry pavement.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Or better yet, go with AWD and never loose traction on dry pavement.

Or better yet, don't turn off the traction control system.

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

 

[ShawnD1]

Or better yet, don't turn off the traction control system.

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

But that would also mean no more donuts, no more smoke shows.

 

[JulesMaximus]

But that would also mean no more donuts, no more smoke shows.

Gee, that would be a shame...

 

[Zap]

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

Sometimes it helps, for instance if you are in snow and need to spin the tires a bit to get moving.

 

[Zivic]

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

not that my Z is a "high perfromance street car", but I can tell you that under controlled hard acceleration (now that I am boosted) will result in the traction control kicking in LONG before the tires slip. This can be a problem merging on the highway or passing

There is also the argument of when one is stuck in mud/sand/snow, they must allow the TCS to be turned off in order to get out.

It's not like the tcs is making the car idiot proof anyways:

 

[Doppel]

Sometimes it helps, for instance if you are in snow and need to spin the tires a bit to get moving.

Yep, but not a common environment for a high performance street car

 

[AMCRambler]

Anybody here have a LSx swap planned? The prices on used engines just went down a little bit :biggrin:

Don't need to swap, mine came with one :biggrin:

Paging Alky

 

[AMCRambler]

Or better yet, don't turn off the traction control system.

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

By that token, why don't we just stop making motorcycles since way more people get killed riding motorcycles than cars?

Eff that. I say make 'em faster and make the TC button even larger so they know what to turn off. Darwin will sort em out.

 

[lavaheadache]

I'm glad I can shut off the traction control in my 350z HR.

When I rip off the line and grab second the car jerks and bogs due to TC engaging. It is impossible to rip through first and second gear with TC on.

 

[lavaheadache]

Or better yet, don't turn off the traction control system.

I honestly don't know why high performance street cars allow drivers to turn off traction control. It always results in said moron wrecking his car because he can't handle the power.

By the same measure, your Ducati should come with wheelie bars installed and non removable because so many squids flip over cause they can't handle the power.

 

[ShawnD1]

Sometimes it helps, for instance if you are in snow and need to spin the tires a bit to get moving.

Uh oh, now you've done it. Last year I said the same thing and everyone pounced on it. ATG has no room for things like science or real world experience in snow and ice.

not that my Z is a "high perfromance street car", but I can tell you that under controlled hard acceleration (now that I am boosted) will result in the traction control kicking in LONG before the tires slip. This can be a problem merging on the highway or passing

Sounds like it's malfunctioning. Pretty much all of the traction systems look for slip then respond after slip has happened. It also seems weird that it would kick in so hard that it makes passing difficult.

 

[JulesMaximus]

By that token, why don't we just stop making motorcycles since way more people get killed riding motorcycles than cars?

Eff that. I say make 'em faster and make the TC button even larger so they know what to turn off. Darwin will sort em out.

No, I want TC mandatory on all cars so that the idiot trying to race me in his Vette doesn't lose control and kill me.

BTW-My bike has traction control with 4 settings... 5 if you include disabled as a setting.

 

[MotF Bane]

No, I want TC mandatory on all cars so that the idiot trying to race me in his Vette doesn't lose control and kill me.

Let's just ban bikes then, they're clearly unsafe, offering their rider no protection.

 

[JulesMaximus]

By the same measure, your Ducati should come with wheelie bars installed and non removable because so many squids flip over cause they can't handle the power.

I'd just cut them off. I can actually handle the power. :wub:

 

[JulesMaximus]

Let's just ban bikes then, they're clearly unsafe, offering their rider no protection.

I say we ban cars and make everyone ride bikes.

 

[MovingTarget]

Less Corvette fail and more driver fail.

Also, inspection and stickers, lol.

 

[Zivic]

Sounds like it's malfunctioning. Pretty much all of the traction systems look for slip then respond after slip has happened. It also seems weird that it would kick in so hard that it makes passing difficult.

My car makes more than double the stock HP. When accelerating hard, the car accelerates much faster than the computer "thinks" it should be able to... thus killing power. It can be a problem when getting on the highway and/or passing.

even so, my traction control in my stock toyota tundra is MUCH too invasive as well. it's a RWD truck, has 400 tq, sometimes I need a bit of slip... or at least not having all the power killed

it would be horrible if either couldn't be turned off

 

[wirednuts]

That looked like a really bad road for a drag race.

on all accounts, yes. rough looking surface, curvy, and MOST importantly- people are around. these guys are complete morons. they should go to jail for that.

 

[MotF Bane]

I say we ban cars and make everyone ride bikes.

Doesn't work in the frozen north.

 

[jlee]

I say we ban cars and make everyone ride bikes.

Not so great when there's a foot of snow on the ground...or when it's 115 degrees out and there's no showers at work.

 

[exdeath]

I have my traction control disabled in the tune so the button is useless. I find that wheel spin and rear end slide is much more communicative and predictable with it turned off. When it's on it just makes the rear end feel like a wet noodle on glass.

With my ET Streets I don't have traction issues anyway. I hook in 1st and 2nd when it's 60 deg out

 

[JulesMaximus]

Not so great when there's a foot of snow on the ground...or when it's 115 degrees out and there's no showers at work.

Bah, you just need moar layers and knobby tires!