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corsair nautilus 500 or custom water cooling

hardwareking

Senior member
I'll be getting a new rig,pretty soon.And i plan on getting water cooling too.But i don't want to spend too much.The best deal i got is the nautilus.At $130.
And all the custom water cooling i planned costs way above $250.With the water block,reservoir,pump and radiator.
Can someone find me a cheaper solution?
Or should i get the nautilus and later expand it to chipset and gpu?
Advice would be appreciated.
 
I had this decision to make 2 mo ago or so..do I go WCing and how much

I thought about a kit but IMHO you are getting a compromise somewhere or all over the kit

Kits are not a bad option depending on budget and expectations but DIY will provide the most flexiblity or are easier to change and upgrade

Here are some very good stickies on learning about WCing...

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=70

Also Procooling forum is nice place too

http://forums.procooling.com/vbb/forumdisplay.php?f=9

..FYI about my choices....I want all internal with easy modding to my P180..I still wanted some noise reduction...this is basically what I did with my P180



I was not prepared with my first modding experience to cut 120mm holes on top

the link is not my case..it is Gocchin's

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=93868

Pump:
Iwaki MD20 $160
http://www.aquadirect.com/store/home.php?cat=239
HD20= Iwaki MD20 $110.. use 3/4in fittings so tubing will need to be larger
http://www.aquadirect.com/store/product.php?productid=495&cat=224&page=1
if they truly are MD20 pumps
DDC ultra modded $110
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/...roduct_info&cPath=201&products_id=4509 this pump performs as well as the Aquaxtreme 50z and MCP655/D5 or better with equal to better noise
MCP655 $80
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCP655-12-VDC-Pump-pr-2982.html
Aquaextreme 50z $75
http://www.cooltechnica.com/Merchant2/m...duct_Code=AQX-50Z-DC12&Category_Code=P

Cpu Block:
Storm rev 2 $80
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Storm-Universal-Waterblock-Rev-2-pr-3022.html

Apogee $45.. also at jab tech ..less restrictive block for flow

Gpu block:
MCW60 w/ram sinks $60
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-MCW60-VGA-cooler-pr-3252.html
DD Maze 4 $42 but you need ram sinks
http://www.jab-tech.com/Low-Profile-Acetal-MAZE4-GPU-1-2-Barbs-pr-3262.html

Radiator:
HE 120.2 or PA120.2 ~ $100
http://www.jab-tech.com/120mm-Dual-c-257.html
Black Ice GT $43
http://www.dangerdenstore.com/home.php?cat=81
SwiftechMCR220 $43
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/...ain_page=product_info&products_id=3653

tubing
Masterkleer(50cents a foot) or tygon($2 foot) 7/16internal dia and 5/8 outer diameter
http://www.jab-tech.com/Masterkleer-Tubing-7-16-ID-5-8-OD-pr-3079.html

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ty7id5odlatu.html

Coolant: distilled water
Additives: I use Zerex racing coolant

Hardwarrior(far more knowledgable than me on WCing in general) recommends Hydrix as it is an additive made for WCing but only in the recommended dilutions

Now I listed alot of choices

Apogee cpu $45
120.2 rad $43
pump $ 80
tubing $10
need clamps worm drive from Lowes about $5, teflon tape(wrap barbs and help with sealing) and ? barbs for the radiator(most common with plastic but I like the nickel plated brass..$ 3 plus shipping)

Total: $200 get cpu done, add a GPU MCW 60 = about $250

I started with a reservoir but dumped it and went with a T-Line...basically a T-connector to allow you to fill the loop
here is a pic
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lianli17xm.jpg

this is my T- Line
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3022large4qn.jpg

feel free to PM me
 
thanks for that,but i don't think i'll mod a brand new case.(like i said a new comp.)
As far as reviews of nautilus is concerned.it performs better than the reserator in most cases.And it's cheaper and smaller.
And how is swiftech rated with regard to water cooling?Cause i heard their pumps are good?And is it a good idea to use components of different companies to make 1 WC setup?
I won't need a gpu block until quite some while later when the x1900 xt starts slowing down.So up to then,i only need WC for CPU OCing.
So can u(or anyone else) suggest anything which fits that kind of role?And corsair said the nautilus is expandable.But i've not seen any of their expansion kits?
BTW thanks for ur post.
 
There are no issues with different companies

I am not suggesting you mod your case at all...just wanted I needed to do as an example

You can place a 120.2 rad outside your case in radiator box in same way they do with the Nautilus...run tubing through holes or a PCI slot

Swiftech makes a very nice pump and blocks

MCP655 pump and apogee cpu block..all swiftech

you can get a swiftech radiator as well...

All swiftech...
MCP655 $80
Apogee $45
MCR220 $43
fans 2 x120 YL at jabtech like $8 or higher cfm fans as per you liking and noise tolerance...can use a fan controller($10) to modulate speed and noise
masterkleer get 10-15ft..$10

I would bet this perofrms better than the nautilus and probably quieter as well

you missed the point of my post....you have more flexible setup for future needs and wants

You will spend more and get better setup for the future but you will need to do the work and think it through(you can everything at JabTech..excellent company, CS and fast shipping)

Kits are nice in that everything essentially is there.....?less work

Personally I felt I would regret a kit and then nned to buy need parts to fix the deficiencies
 
I googled reviews and this kit is lightly better than a good air setup...

I guess if you want a kit it is good but more $$ than air and not much benefit

I am pretty sure the $$$ on DIY will be much better spent

But you need to decide your needs ..BTW one advantage to DIY is you pick the parts from any company..you can get the BEST ..CPU, GPU, CHIPSET block, Rad..etc
 
Originally posted by: hardwareking
I'll be getting a new rig,pretty soon.And i plan on getting water cooling too.But i don't want to spend too much.The best deal i got is the nautilus.At $130.
And all the custom water cooling i planned costs way above $250.With the water block,reservoir,pump and radiator.
Can someone find me a cheaper solution?
Or should i get the nautilus and later expand it to chipset and gpu?
Advice would be appreciated.

Each watercooling loop has its own unique personality. The kit listed by neal is a great setup but its a bit too extreme. Are you a avid overclocker/modder? if you are then neals kit would be ideal, however are you just looking to lower your delta from idle to load? then neals kit would be overkill.

First off, if its your first time watercooling, dont bother looking at sub 200 dollars. Noobies and watercooling do not know the principles of flow mechanics and block design All the parts you will chose at the lower price tag will be all complete garbage without its couterparts helping.

If your a experienced modder, then you can always look outside the loop. Jen aka Moo, a seller on the for/sale forums can probably pull together a kit for less then 150 dollars using car/aquarium parts and have it perform closely with high performance kits. But this is because she has most likely had quite of bit experience in the field as a hobby.

Second of all, if your going CPU only and not GPU and your using the APOGEE, you dont need a pump of an IWAKI class. That is overkill, and even the HD20 will is overkill. You would be fine using 2 DD Mag II pumps in a series at 39.99 each. That would give you more then enough flow for CPU and quite possibly even a low flow resistance GPU block as well.

Lastly, neal gave a link to xtremesystems.org. Go read there FAQs on watercooling before you even decide.

Originally posted by: nealh
I googled reviews and this kit is lightly better than a good air setup...

I guess if you want a kit it is good but more $$ than air and not much benefit

I am pretty sure the $$$ on DIY will be much better spent

But you need to decide your needs ..BTW one advantage to DIY is you pick the parts from any company..you can get the BEST ..CPU, GPU, CHIPSET block, Rad..etc

This is true because the best rad is obviously a thermochil, but the D5 pump is made by both swiftech and DD. Blocks, is obviously swiftech storm, but in terms of low flow blocks, the TDX and APOGEE are clear winners. The TDX is made by DD and Swiftech makes the APOGEE. The swiftech rad is not as great as the thermochil, but its performance isnt very far, and DD sells the excluse BIP GT, which is suposed to be a great replacement to their old BIP. (Black ICE Pro) incase u didnt know.

Umm so far ive listed 3 parts coming from either swiftech or DD, might make sense to just get the Swiftech APEX 120 kit, because what neal didnt tell you is that in a KIT, you have EVERYTHING you would need to get your loop started and that saves you a trip to the hardware store. Not to mention all the reading material you could possible need to setup a loop. Just make sure you take some time reading though it. Even sitting on the tolet while taking a crap is good enough time to open that manual and read though it while. 😛 *but that is up to you*

Everything as in: Tubes, clamps, coolant additive, And most importantly all the fittings are identical at 1/2 ID. Also you have the free state of mind knowing you didnt miss out on anything.

Also on neals post, what happened to clamps? or a T-line connecter because i dont see any resivour in your listing. Which also backs up my statement about, sometimes you'll forget the smallest things and that will postpone your venture until you can get it. IE CLAMPS!!! VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT!!! or a T-line Connecter/Resviour!! Another VERY VERY VERY IMPORTANT thing neal forgot to add

Well he mentions about a T-Line but didnt add it in a price, clamps are about 69 cents each and a t-line connector is 1.25.
 
I did absolutely mention worm drives(..the clamps) and a T line/Res....

Apogee cpu $45
120.2 rad $43
pump $ 80
tubing $10
need clamps worm drive from Lowes about $5, teflon tape(wrap barbs and help with sealing) and ? barbs for the radiator(most common with plastic but I like the nickel plated brass..$ 3 plus shipping)

Total: $200 get cpu done, add a GPU MCW 60 = about $250

I started with a reservoir but dumped it and went with a T-Line...basically a T-connector to allow you to fill the loop
here is a pic
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lianli17xm.jpg

this is my T- Line
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3022large4qn.jpg

feel free to PM me


this exaclty from my post above

aigomorla:

OP:
Can someone find me a cheaper solution?

I never intended for my initial post to be how to guide... but to list potential parts so he could see for a similar price he could get a nicer system

I really feel slighted..I offered help and I am bashed becasue I did not bold the need for a T-line or clamps..but it was all there..please reread my posts for you to say I left very important stuff out was wrong..before i am accused of editing the post look at the edit time and time of your post

I did not try to explain the need for every item.....your post was excellent but no need to trash me for something I did not do


BTW your post points alot of very important issues for a noobie to WCing to consider and know

I also stated

Kits are nice in that everything essentially is there.....?less work

so I did not dismiss the DIY(lot of planning, work and learning) vs the KIT...where everything is ready to go but a "price" for future needs....

I was nice enough to link some excellent basic tutorials to learn about WCing


 
custom water cooling seems complicated.I'm new to H20 cooling,but i ain't new to OCing.
Got my presler to 3.6 from 3 on stock cooler.Was planning on doing more.But decided to OC my next rig.
http://www.extreme.outervision.com/
They can give proper flow charts so that isn't a problem.
It just the price that gets me worried.
I'll look into it.And thanks for all ur help.(i'll be back)
 
sorry for the double post.But how does this sound?
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-pmp-27.html-Swiftech pump-$90
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-rad-23.html-danger den radiator-$40
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-244.html-swiftech apogee cpu block-$50
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-res-97.html-alphacool reservoir-$50
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-blc-287.html-danger den gpu block-$130(maybe later but still considered)
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-tub-53.html-primoflex tubing-$26(about 13 feet)
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-tub-12.html-leak proof coupling-$10(about 3-4)
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-tub-14.html-t-joint-$3
http://www.frozencpu.com/ex-liq-18.html-koolance liquid coolant-$15
Total-$415(almost a price of a conroe e6600)
Well what do u think.
 
Double check the prices at Jab tech, Danger Den and Petra's...Frozen cpu tends to be the most expensive place

Hardwarrior who has not posted recommends Hydrix as a addtive only to distilled water ..only if using proper dilution

I would becareful on other additives as they can clog blocks and create crud on tubing

BTW your links are not working..so I am not sure what you chose

Water Cooling is alot more complicated but I have enjoyed my learning experience...

I got my worm drives=clamps at lowes 2/88cents...I need 10 or $5...2 on barbs for radiator, 2 on pump, 2 on cpu barbs, 2 on gpu barbs and if you use a reservoir 2 on those barbs...but I would not recommend a reservoir and T-line

$50 reservoir..seems very pricey..I have a reservoir I will not need..I paid $10 plus shipping

Tubing either get Tygon(arguably the best $2/ft at sidewinder.com) or masterkleer(50 cents a foot if you ususally buy 10ft or more)
 
Here is my experience with watercooling and the parts I bought. The only part that is hard to find now is the MCW6002 cpu block. I really don't understand why they discontinued it because it performed very well at low and medium flow rates (i.e. you're able to use an inexpensive pump). The Storm block performs a bit better but requires a powerful pump like the Iwaki mentioned above or possibly the MCP655. The Apogee looks good on paper but I've read a lot of bad info about it over at Xtremesystems (something about cheap construction and plastic barbed fittings??). They seem to have contempt for it and they know they're stuff, however I have no first-hand knowledge of this.

If it were me, I'd either get high-end aircooling for the ease of use or, if you really want to get into watercooling, than go for a custom setup. You'll kick yourself later when your inexpensive kit isn't performing much better (or possibly worse) than a Scythe Ninja or SI-120. The real advantage of watercooling IMO is that the gpu can be inexpensively cooled as well. Temps are affected much more with the gpu than the cpu when switching to watercooling.
 
Storm rev 2 uses "plastic barbs" which are fine but very hard to get tubing over them

The Apogee is not a bad block ..not sure why the XS guys hate it..except it performs slightly worse than a Storm rev2 but not $30 worse..I bought a Storm rev2 becasue I had the money to spend...the MP-05 are very good blocks as well

otherwise I agree 100% with Elfear....

it were me, I'd either get high-end aircooling for the ease of use or, if you really want to get into watercooling, than go for a custom setup. You'll kick yourself later when your inexpensive kit isn't performing much better (or possibly worse) than a Scythe Ninja or SI-120. The real advantage of watercooling IMO is that the gpu can be inexpensively cooled as well. Temps are affected much more with the gpu than the cpu when switching to watercooling
 
Originally posted by: nealh
I did absolutely mention worm drives(..the clamps) and a T line/Res....

Apogee cpu $45
120.2 rad $43
pump $ 80
tubing $10
need clamps worm drive from Lowes about $5, teflon tape(wrap barbs and help with sealing) and ? barbs for the radiator(most common with plastic but I like the nickel plated brass..$ 3 plus shipping)

Total: $200 get cpu done, add a GPU MCW 60 = about $250

I started with a reservoir but dumped it and went with a T-Line...basically a T-connector to allow you to fill the loop
here is a pic
http://img139.imageshack.us/my.php?image=lianli17xm.jpg

this is my T- Line
http://img159.imageshack.us/my.php?image=img3022large4qn.jpg

feel free to PM me


this exaclty from my post above

aigomorla:

OP:
Can someone find me a cheaper solution?

I never intended for my initial post to be how to guide... but to list potential parts so he could see for a similar price he could get a nicer system

I really feel slighted..I offered help and I am bashed becasue I did not bold the need for a T-line or clamps..but it was all there..please reread my posts for you to say I left very important stuff out was wrong..before i am accused of editing the post look at the edit time and time of your post

I did not try to explain the need for every item.....your post was excellent but no need to trash me for something I did not do


BTW your post points alot of very important issues for a noobie to WCing to consider and know

I also stated

Kits are nice in that everything essentially is there.....?less work

so I did not dismiss the DIY(lot of planning, work and learning) vs the KIT...where everything is ready to go but a "price" for future needs....

I was nice enough to link some excellent basic tutorials to learn about WCing

Neal i didnt mean to bash you. On the second post where u quoted some cheaper parts you failed to mention T-Line, but i corrected that in a edit where i mentioned that you had one on the first. Dont take it too seriously, if you took offense in that then i appologize. But I have to admit, you told a kid that just got his licence to go out and buy a Porsche 911 turbo, if you want to compare what u recomended him as a starting kit. 😛

Just like to mention about the swiftech storm rev.2 - Unless you intend to get a HD20, or a IWaki class pump, or your going to dual 655 like how i am currently, or dual even the liang DCC, dont bother investing in the storm. I ran a test where i swapped my storm out with my brothers apogee, and it cooled better then my storm with single D5. After a week of testing, i bought a second D5 pump and the storm blows away the apogee.

NOTE: the apogee will perform better unless u have high flow, which then the storm will overtake it apogee. Also, storm owners agree to pull there loop apart every 6months to 1 year to clean the inlets on the storm block. So if your new to watercooling, DONT buy the storm until you can bleed/drain a system without fear.
 
But I have to admit, you told a kid that just got his licence to go out and buy a Porsche 911 turbo, if you want to compare what u recomended him as a starting kit.

I guess when you look at that way..I kinda made a mistake..HEHE

But I looked at the situation the way I did 3mo ago...I had zero knowledge, got my parts from recommendation from a "veteran" WCer and wanted to keep everything internal in my P180....happy with the parts they are good but my decision on the radiator placement was kinda a stupid

So I was tring to give a nice of good parts to think about and consider options

A kit has its advantages no doubt..everything is there and ready to go....

BTW, I should not have been upset ..sorry..thanks for being stand up aigomorla


OP...any decisions or did I just screw things up with my posts...
 
How is the thermaltake big water 745?Is it as good as custom setups?
The zalman reserator is too bulky!!So its between the big water 745 and the nautilus 500.Which would u suggest?(or any other water cooling kit,which stays around or below $200)
Sorry for the broken links and thanks for advice.But i think i'll pass on custom water-cooling.Sorry for any inconvinience.
I think custom water cooling isn't for me.Too many liabilities.
 
Is your budget a max of $130???

I googled Swiftech water cooling kits

The one I would recommend is this but it is $230

Apex Ultra H2O 220
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-Apex-Ultra-H20-220-pr-3198.html

Apex H2o 120 with Apogee block $175(they sell this without a block for $135..but there is drop down menu to add the Apogee cpu block for $40)
http://www.jab-tech.com/Swiftech-H20-12...-REV3a-Kit-No-Water-Block-pr-2891.html

Try at Petra's Shop...he is a watercooling guy over at XS
His CS is excellent

He has a bunch of kits too..
http://www.petrastechshop.com/wacoki.html

look to be custom kits he puts together for people

Sidewinder computers...Swiftech Apex H2o 120 $175= equals Jabtechs price

http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swh2licokitr1.html

Note the kit differences sometimes it is nothing more than radiator size, differnt cpu blocks, pump etc

Swiftech kits use either mcp 350 or mcp 655 pumps....single or dual rad
 
like i said before.I don't think i'm quite ready for a custom water cooling setup.
I think i'll go with a kit which is easier to put together.
So which one.Big water or nautilus?
 
ok..I just answered this and my laptop acts up..crap

All the items listed in last post are kits that will work well


swiftech 120 with apogee block should perform better but at higher price

Big Water: I have seen nothing good from users on this..no bettr than air

Nautilus looks nice and I guess is an easier kit to use than swiftech.....

If those are your 2 choices get the Nautilus
 
Originally posted by: hardwareking
like i said before.I don't think i'm quite ready for a custom water cooling setup.
I think i'll go with a kit which is easier to put together.
So which one.Big water or nautilus?

Don't buy either. Buy one of the kits NealH reccomended. It's not too hard either way... just put tubing onto the barbs. Clamp them all. Screw the blocks down. Pour distilled water into the resevoir. Add HydrX. And turn on the pump... Can't be that hard lol. Don't forget thermal paste for the blocks lol...And for gods sakes pls don't buy thermaltake water cooling lol.
 
Don't get either of the kits you just mentioned as they will both perform on par with good air-cooling which is a lot less hassle and less expensive. I've heard good things about the Swiftech kits. I'd still say go with a custom setup as the only thing harder about a custom setup than a kit is the research you do ahead of time. After that they are equal in terms of setup difficulty.
 
Honestly if TT watercooling kits were that great why did they change there pumps 3 times! I mean if you look at swiftechs or DD kits, they are stable using D5 pumps which are proven to last and dish out, or the Liang DCC pumps.

Anyhow, most of TT's products are utter crap. The exceptions would lie in there high end cases like armor, kandolf, tai chi. Then there are some flukes that TT did a excellent job in like the Big Typhoon. Other then that, i would feel a bit paranoid using a Bigwater kit. Its also funny how they encourage mixing metals. IE cooper block, and the M1 AquaBay which is made of Aluminum. Dont get me started on how bad it is to mix metals.

Anyhow the bigwater745 requires you to have a external 2x120 radiator and a 1x120 radiator. That is just utter BS because anyone that knows watercooling will tell you, having 2 rads in a loop would require a high flow pump of a iwaki class.

Anyhow, i heard a lot of good reviews about the nautilus, and im tempted to throw one on my mom's little shuttle. If you do however buy one i would definitely love a mini review on the product.
 
oops,my bad.I didn't check whether they were the same model.But like i said,i'll still need to think it through.
nautilus-$130. swiftech-$170(with cpu block)
Is there anyway to compare performance between the 2?
 
not unless you find a review....I think most will tell you the swiftech parts are likely to higher qulaity/performance

I have no idea what temp delta there would be...is it 10c better swiftech..doubt it

I have no idea whether the extra $45 is justified or not..you will need to decide

All I was trying to do is avoid a buyer's remorse...ie realizing the Nautilus is ok but for a little more you coulod get better and future upgradablity
 
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