Core i7 980X doesn't seem much faster than Core i7 860?

[Moonzi]

lol this thread made me scared I bought an i7 860

 

[Insomniator]

Andy is saying if you bought 1366 with just a 920 then you are not an enthusiast with unlimited cash nor are you worried about the extra few percent the higher end i7's give. In this case the cheaper platform is a better choice. If you aren't going to upgrade to i9 until it is as cheap or nearly as cheap as the 920 was then it was pretty pointless of you to waste the extra 100 bucks on the 1366 platform. Buy an SSD or something.

The only thing I'd say is that some people might be waiting for i9 because of the extra cores can obviously be way more beneficial than the extra clock speed of a 975 vs a 920. Even an enthusiast might not spend 800 extra bucks for some clock speed but it might be worth it for 2 more cores.

 

[Gillbot]

Andy is saying if you bought 1366 with just a 920 then you are not an enthusiast with unlimited cash nor are you worried about the extra few percent the higher end i7's give. In this case the cheaper platform is a better choice. If you aren't going to upgrade to i9 until it is as cheap or nearly as cheap as the 920 was then it was pretty pointless of you to waste the extra 100 bucks on the 1366 platform. Buy an SSD or something.

The only thing I'd say is that some people might be waiting for i9 because of the extra cores can obviously be way more beneficial than the extra clock speed of a 975 vs a 920. Even an enthusiast might not spend 800 extra bucks for some clock speed but it might be worth it for 2 more cores.

That's the thing, Many people are sitting on a 920 to get the system running and waiting for the hex cores. I know that's exactly what I did. Why bother with LGA1156 when there are MUCH more powerful processors for LGA1366 coming soon. Plus, the x58 platform gives you much more room for growth. Just because a person doesn't buy every top end part right away, doesn't mean they don't ever plan to later. If you "settle" for LGA1156, you are much more limited with your expansion options.

 

[SunnyD]

lol this thread made me scared I bought an i7 860

Don't be. If it does what you want it to do and you're not planning on upgrading any time soon, then you made the right purchase.

 

[Meghan54]

I understand that you're trying desperately hard to make a name for yourself so that you can get in the editors' good graces and land a reviewer spot just so you can get freebies, but come on - everybody sees through your bullshit. This isn't a marketing forum. If you want that, head over to the Video Cards and Graphics subforum where you can join the evangelist crews from Nvidia or ATI/AMD; this kind of shit is sadly tolerated over there. If you plan on staying over here, I suggest you shut the hell up, listen and learn from people who actually know what they're talking about.

How true. What's even funnier is that he's underclocking his memory....why? Who knows.....maybe his "expertise" isn't quite so expert. Or maybe it's that he cannot figure out how to run his RAM at its rated speed. Sure, he got his i5 up to 3.6GHz, at least according to his sig, but running 1600MHz-rated RAM at 1440MHz and not even dropping the CAS setting to take advantage of the slower speed of his RAM?

From his sig: Kingston KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX @1440MHz 8-8-8-24


Sounds more and more like a high school kid who's read a little and spouts off like he's experienced. Maybe he's trying to impress with his "expertise" the local Best Buy Geek Squad for a job interview. He certainly isn't much of an enthusiast given what he's using or accomplishing.

 

[Gillbot]

An enthusiast, would have purchased LGA1366 right?

 

[andy5174]

@SunnyD :

Your are in my ignored list and I can't even see your post if Meghan54 doesn't quote your posts. You are just a childish kid who speak rudely.

http://forums.anandtech.com/member.php?u=263400


Another insult. KNOCK IT OFF
Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[andy5174]

How true. What's even funnier is that he's underclocking his memory....why? Who knows.....maybe his "expertise" isn't quite so expert. Or maybe it's that he cannot figure out how to run his RAM at its rated speed. Sure, he got his i5 up to 3.6GHz, at least according to his sig, but running 1600MHz-rated RAM at 1440MHz and not even dropping the CAS setting to take advantage of the slower speed of his RAM?

From his sig: Kingston KHX1600C8D3K2/4GX @1440MHz 8-8-8-24


Sounds more and more like a high school kid who's read a little and spouts off like he's experienced. Maybe he's trying to impress with his "expertise" the local Best Buy Geek Squad for a job interview. He certainly isn't much of an enthusiast given what he's using or accomplishing.

At least my statements based on proof. Your proof is merely a sentence "LGA1366 is better.". Such an ignorant guy who talks based on feeling instead of evidence!

I would say "Yes, I am experienced compared to ignorant people like you".

attacking other members is not tolerated. If I see another one like this, you will be getting a vacation.
Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[Moonzi]

Don't be. If it does what you want it to do and you're not planning on upgrading any time soon, then you made the right purchase.

Agreed, I just built my first rig in my sig...and plan on buying a second rig in the future (couple years) when prices drop a bit, but I figure the current one can last me a couple years for gaming and graphic design. Was just curious about OC'n an 860 and RAM clocking, title got me all excited

 

[MrK6]

An enthusiast, would have purchased LGA1366 right?

Depends on what you mean by "enthusiast" and the goals of said enthusiast. I consider myself an enthusiast, and there's no way I would have grabbed LGA1366 over 1156.

 

[Gillbot]

Depends on what you mean by "enthusiast" and the goals of said enthusiast. I consider myself an enthusiast, and there's no way I would have grabbed LGA1366 over 1156.

I was being facetious. If you have to explain the joke, it's no longer relevant.

 

[SunnyD]

It's sad when the truth comes out and some people just can't accept it. Point for point, all of the valid information in this thread has continually been ignored by a few individuals to the point of making this thread nearly worthless for people seeking actual information, like CMMoonan here was hoping to find:

Agreed, I just built my first rig in my sig...and plan on buying a second rig in the future (couple years) when prices drop a bit, but I figure the current one can last me a couple years for gaming and graphic design. Was just curious about OC'n an 860 and RAM clocking, title got me all excited

Hopefully the people that need the right information won't be confused if they come in here. I do truly wish them the best of luck.

 

[Meghan54]

From my perspective, i5 buyers fall into the mainstream category. Those buyers have little interest in SLI/Crossfire (if they did have that interest, they certainly wouldn't be buying a "crippled" motherboard/chipset), have no care about reduced memory bandwidth, and have little interest in upgrading to the 6-core cpu line coming out.

X58 buyers, on the other hand, buy that platform because of overclocking ease, ability to SLI/Crossfire at full speed for the slots used, and are forward looking in upgradibility.

Not to say some will claim to be enthusiasts that buy the i5/P55 platform, but they're buying it aware of the limitations.

Guess it all depends upon your definition of enthusiast. Obviously mine is stricter than andy's, who I put into the tinkerer mainstream/soft enthusiast user category.

 

[Gillbot]

From my perspective, i5 buyers fall into the mainstream category. Those buyers have little interest in SLI/Crossfire (if they did have that interest, they certainly wouldn't be buying a "crippled" motherboard/chipset), have no care about reduced memory bandwidth, and have little interest in upgrading to the 6-core cpu line coming out.

X58 buyers, on the other hand, buy that platform because of overclocking ease, ability to SLI/Crossfire at full speed for the slots used, and are forward looking in upgradibility.

Not to say some will claim to be enthusiasts that buy the i5/P55 platform, but they're buying it aware of the limitations.

Guess it all depends upon your definition of enthusiast. Obviously mine is stricter than andy's, who I put into the tinkerer mainstream/soft enthusiast user category.

I think that's the main shortfall of this entire debate. Some in this thread throw out blanket statements without realizing every segment has it's merits and drawbacks. As long as you accept each and it fits your needs, more power to you. Just don't throw out generic statements and back them up with inflated bogus numbers and call them fact.

 

[Meghan54]

I think that's the main shortfall of this entire debate. Some in this thread throw out blanket statements without realizing every segment has it's merits and drawbacks. As long as you accept each and it fits your needs, more power to you. Just don't throw out generic statements and back them up with inflated bogus numbers and call them fact.

Exactly! And that's why my husband's computer is an X58 platform and mine is a P55 setup. He's into heavy overclocking, Crossfire, etc., while mine is lightly overclocked, will only ever have one video card and is mainly doing Office, some CAD-design stuff, and video streaming.....two different needs, two different systems. (And I'm aware that my i5 system is a tad overkill for what I do, but with the sale prices paid for the components, we made $$ off my upgrade....)

 

[MrK6]

I was being facetious. If you have to explain the joke, it's no longer relevant.

Given what's occurred in this thread, I would think it would need to be spelled out .

From my perspective, i5 buyers fall into the mainstream category. Those buyers have little interest in SLI/Crossfire (if they did have that interest, they certainly wouldn't be buying a "crippled" motherboard/chipset), have no care about reduced memory bandwidth, and have little interest in upgrading to the 6-core cpu line coming out.

X58 buyers, on the other hand, buy that platform because of overclocking ease, ability to SLI/Crossfire at full speed for the slots used, and are forward looking in upgradibility.

Not to say some will claim to be enthusiasts that buy the i5/P55 platform, but they're buying it aware of the limitations.

Guess it all depends upon your definition of enthusiast. Obviously mine is stricter than andy's, who I put into the tinkerer mainstream/soft enthusiast user category.

To be honest, I went with the P55 because of the X58's limitations. Specifically, it would have been much more difficult to build a SFF system of equivalent performance to mine but based on the X58 (heat and power consumption wouldn't allow it).

I think that's the main shortfall of this entire debate. Some in this thread throw out blanket statements without realizing every segment has it's merits and drawbacks. As long as you accept each and it fits your needs, more power to you. Just don't throw out generic statements and back them up with inflated bogus numbers and call them fact.

Exactly.

 

[esquared]

OK guys, knock off the personal attacks, and keep this thread on topic. Continue and I'll start handing out vacations.


esquared
Anandtech Administrator

 

[Tsavo]

OK guys, knock off the personal attacks, and keep this thread on topic. Continue and I'll start handing out vacations.


esquared
Anandtech Administrator

I'd like a vacation to Aruba.

:awe:

 

[Gillbot]

OK guys, knock off the personal attacks, and keep this thread on topic. Continue and I'll start handing out vacations.


esquared
Anandtech Administrator

I'd like a vacation to Aruba.

:awe:

Did you read the warning you quoted?

 

[Meghan54]

To be honest, I went with the P55 because of the X58's limitations. Specifically, it would have been much more difficult to build a SFF system of equivalent performance to mine but based on the X58 (heat and power consumption wouldn't allow it).

And in that use and case, I'd do the exact same as you did.

 

[Makaveli]

Don't be. If it does what you want it to do and you're not planning on upgrading any time soon, then you made the right purchase.

This!

 

[Makaveli]

I think that's the main shortfall of this entire debate. Some in this thread throw out blanket statements without realizing every segment has it's merits and drawbacks. As long as you accept each and it fits your needs, more power to you. Just don't throw out generic statements and back them up with inflated bogus numbers and call them fact.

I agree with this 100%, the whole problem I had with him is trying to force his opinon as fact.

do you guys think intel will released 32nm quads for the x58 platform? What are the chances that the 930 will be 32nm?

 

[Gillbot]

I agree with this 100%, the whole problem I had with him is trying to force his opinon as fact.

do you guys think intel will released 32nm quads for the x58 platform? What are the chances that the 930 will be 32nm?

There are already LGA1366 32nm Quads scheduled. See here.

 

[bob5568]

This thread is interesting in an odd way. I've stayed out of it, because I'm not feeling any stress over my purchase decision, nor do I want recognition for my wisdom (or lack of wisdom). I actually don't care much what others think. May I ask gently, why the posters in this thread seem to care so much? I've had the most fun selecting components, building my box, and overclocking to levels far beyond anything I've acheived in my 15 years of overclocking homebuilts. And the box just purrs. I ran it at 3.8 for a while, and couldn't sense any difference when I lowered it back to 3.6...so that's where I run it, spanky performance, and cool temps. All my games (flight sim x, cod 4, bioshock, and the half life series) all run amazingly at extreme settings. My old gforce 8800 vid card is starting to get grey hair and its joints ache slightly on damp mornings (wait..that's me, not the vid card), but give it a game to render or max file to render and it kicks butt!!!! Its a single card, and will remain so, it seems to have relationship problems. I could never justify to myself the spending on a second card, when I'm enjoying my computer so much currently. You guys seem to have invented categories for people like me...Not enthusiast, I believe is my category according to this thread....How funny. Ok with me, labels make no sense to me. And why would I possibly want to convince a pleased owner of a 920 that he/she screwed up? Nothing gained there. I'll bet I'd be pretty pleased with a 920 myself. Just as pleased probably as I am with what I bought.

 

[bob5568]

I hadn't entered a config in my sig, so here's my rig, in case anyone cares.