Core i7 980X doesn't seem much faster than Core i7 860?

[Makaveli]

This post shouldn't be here if you don't respond.

All you can do is acting unreasonably when you can't go against others' arguments, kid.

BTW, we are both off topic!

@OP: Apology from me.

go to dictionary.com and lookup the word "anymore" troll.

i'm done with you go back to under your bridge!

 

[bigboxes]

P55:

Intel Core i5 750 : $199.99

Top end Asus P55_P7P55D-E Premium : $279.99



X58:

Intel Core i7 920 : $288.99

Top end Asus X58_P6T7 WS Supercomputer : $399.99


Difference: $209; 43.54% more with X58(RAM price not considered)

Stop being a fanboy. I realize you have the i5. Try being a tad bit more objective and not just screaming "rah-rah" on any post/article that praises your i5 purchase. By the way I paid $200 for my i920 and $289 for my P6T Deluxe v2. I'm sure that brings the cost a lot more closer to your i5 setup. Apples to apples may give an advantage to the i5, but most (if not all) x58 owners run a 6gb setup with significantly higher bandwidth than the i5.

Why are you crowing anyways? There's no competition here. Only one you are trying to create. I'll agree with the others. You are a troll.

 

[andy5174]

That doesn't include RAM. Even if it is 43.54% more is insane compared to 4~5% performance gain!

I am such a fanboy who don't pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance.

Peoples who pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance are NOT fanboy!

Makes so much sense!

 

[aigomorla]

P55:

Intel Core i5 750 : $199.99

Top end Asus P55_P7P55D-E Premium : $279.99



X58:

Intel Core i7 920 : $288.99

Top end Asus X58_P6T7 WS Supercomputer : $399.99


Difference: $209; 43.54% more with X58(RAM price not considered)

*sigh*

Mid tier X58 > Top Tier P55

Otherwise it would be called P58 and not X58.

So no your price comparison does not apply.

 

[bigboxes]

That doesn't include RAM. Even if it is 43.54% more is insane compared to 4~5% performance gain!

I am such a fanboy who don't pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance.

Peoples who pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance are NOT fanboy!

Makes so much sense!

I paid $99 for my 6gb of ram. Keep 'em coming.

 

[cbn]

That doesn't include RAM. Even if it is 43.54% more is insane compared to 4~5% performance gain!

I am such a fanboy who don't pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance.

Peoples who pay 43.54% more for 4~5% performance are NOT fanboy!

Makes so much sense!

I don't think a X58 system will cost 43.54% more money than a p55 system.

After Windows Licenses/PSU/case/peripherals we are probably only talking 15% more money (at best).

Furthermore, a X58 system has better "legs". When video cards start pushing the bandwidth limitations of P55 PCI-E 2.0 the x58 will still have wind in its sails.

 

[cbn]

The best product is always the worst in cost-performance ratio and normally it is only slightly better than the 2nd/3rd.

That is normally true, but x58 actually seems like a pretty good bargain when you consider it has much better options than p55.

AFAIK, X58 has the PCI-E bandwidth for a SATA 3/USB 3 AIB without affecting video. That alone will be worth it for folks that like to keep systems running for 4+ years.

 

[SunnyD]

Reasons to skip LGA1366 when there is LGA1156:

- High cost(~52.7% more than LGA1156 i5 according to newegg pricing)
Irrelevant since most people are getting LGA1366 for the FULL potential of the CPU, as pointed out comparing i5 to i7/i9 is comparing apples to pears.

- insignificant performance gain with more expensive tri channel currently
Irrelevant as you're comparing a single platform feature instead of the whole platform.

- insignificant PCIE performance gain with 2x CF/SLI
In the enthusiast segment, which is what LGA1366 is, a few percent is most definitely NOT insignificant.

- 3/4 high end GPU supports which 99.99% LGA1366 owners can't afford.
Irrelevant. Just because you may not have the money to do so doesn't mean you can pull numbers out of your ass.

- $999 Gulftown upgradability in the near future which 99.99% LGA1366 owners can't afford.
Irrelevant. See previous comment.

- extremely outdated by the time Gulftown becomes affordable and x68 will be released.
Irrelevant, as it is the only enthusiast chipset that will support Gulftown at launch. Again, comparing apples to bananas from the future.

- worse transistor
You're full of shit and you know it.

- a lot of unnecessary leakage current
See previous comment.

- runs very hot
See previous comment. For god's sake, have you even run an LGA1366 system, or are you just trying to evangelize your platform of choice?

- immensely inefficient compared to LGA1156
See previous comment. Where the hell are you getting your information from? Even people from HardOCP aren't that stupid.

Go for LGA1366 if you are willing to pay 52.7% more for 3~4% performance gain compared to i5.

p.s. Even 10% less fps under high resolution means merely 4~5fps less which is unnoticeable.
You obviously don't know what the term "Enthusiast" means.

My comments in bold. Really nothing else needs to be said. I'm not sure where you think you got your credibility from, especially going up against the likes of agiomorla and Rubycon. If anything though, it sure as hell makes for entertaining reading.

 

[Gillbot]

My x58 Mobo was $118 from Newegg on sale, LGA i7 920 1366 CPU was $199 from Microcenter on sale (we'll use retail pricing on this, not my Westmere which was less to make it fair) and my ram was $75 for 9GB on clearance. Tell me how that's more expensive than LGA1156?

If you are going to compare, make a fair comparison. Not something that highlights what you want it to show. Now stop trolling up this thread.

 

[bigboxes]

Now stop trolling up this thread.

Andy saw a thread that talked up his 1156 cpu and he thought he'd use it to make him feel better about his purchase. What's funny is this is not an AMD/Intel trolling. He's got to make this some kind of competition between differing Intel platforms. I'm guessing he just doens't understand.

1156 - maintstream platform
1336 - enthusiast platform

I will go out on a limb here and say that Andy picked the correct plaform for him. I want to congratulate Andy on his fine choice. His criticism of others to make him feel better is not unusual. Normally, trollers aren't so ignorant though. It's like criticizing those that buy a SSD when an HDD is a much better value/performance.

 

[Gillbot]

I would have no problem with the debate if the pure misinformation and name calling was left out, but his attitude has left a sour taste around IMHO.

 

[Makaveli]

lol thank you to the rest for shining some light in this guys face.

Its like talking to one of those marketing guys, that just keeps repeating the same thing over and over without ever listening.

What he also keeps forgetting is you might be playing more for a 3 tripple channel kit, but you are also getting MORE MEMORY. Even if the performance difference is only 4-5% based on his numbers. A person that uses 5GB memory usage will still be better off with a bloomfield rig, because the lynnfield setup will hit the page file as soon as you go over 4GB.

I'm happy he likes his lynnfield rig and all the power to him, but stop spreading crap about the 50% price difference its a lie!

I'm sorry to the mods for feeding this guy, its not usually my style but when someone spreads misinformation I must post something.

 

[Meghan54]

Its like talking to one of those marketing guys, that just keeps repeating the same thing over and over without ever listening.

Andy, just like fleabag, comes off to me more like the typical know-it-all teenagers who think they're the repository of all knowledge.

And to make andy's head assplode, I have both an i7 920 setup and an i5 750 setup. So, I guess I am simultaneously thrifty and frivolous.

 

[Tsavo]

Andy, just like fleabag, comes off to me more like the typical know-it-all teenagers who think they're the repository of all knowledge.

And to make andy's head assplode, I have both an i7 920 setup and an i5 750 setup. So, I guess I am simultaneously thrifty and frivolous.

I've got a 6 core that I dremeled two cores off of, so I guess I am simultaneously frivolous and foolhardy.

 

[alyarb]

i wonder if there is a more mature way to respond.

 

[DrMrLordX]

lol thank you to the rest for shining some light in this guys face.

Its like talking to one of those marketing guys, that just keeps repeating the same thing over and over without ever listening.

What he also keeps forgetting it you might be playing more for a 3 tripple channel kit, but you are also getting MORE MEMORY. Even if the performance difference is only 4-5% based on his numbers. A person that uses 5GB memory usage will still be better off with a bloomfield rig, because the lynnfield setup will hit the page file as soon as you go over 4GB.

I'm happy he likes in lynnfield rig and all the power to him, but stop spreading crap about the 50% price difference its a lie!

I'm sorry to the mods for feeding this guy, its not usually my style but when someone spreads misinformation I must post something.

Don't feel bad. I don't own an i5-750 or an i7-920, but based on everything that I have seen, it seems insane to try and pimp LGA1156 as being the be-all, end-all solution for everyone. That combined with some LGA1156 boards having socket burn-outs (I'm looking at you, Foxconn!) and the confusion related to acceptable vdimm/vtt limits on LGA1156 makes me feel funny about the platform overall.

Plus, if LGA1366 CPUs are bedeviled by greater amounts of leakage current, wouldn't that imply that, overall, LGA1366 CPUs are going to achieve higher clockspeeds?

And if you wanted a "budget" LGA1366 machine, you could always base you system off the Foxconn Flaming Blade: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813186170

No SLI or RAID support (a bit silly for LGA1366 I guess), but really, LGA1366 doesn't have to be that expensive, and to my knowledge, the LGA1366 Foxconn boards haven't been suffering from socket burnout.

And, in the end, I'll repeat my original sentiment that was in favor of LGA1366/i7-920 D0: The 920 would probably give me better odds at hitting a good overclock. If I wanted to save money, I'd probably just get an AMD system.

 

[andy5174]

Price Difference:

P55:

Intel Core i5 750 : $199.99

Top end Asus P55_P7P55D-E Premium : $279.99



X58:

Intel Core i7 920 : $288.99

Top end Asus X58_P6T7 WS Supercomputer : $399.99


Difference: $209; 43.54% more with X58(RAM price not considered)

Performance Difference: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3641

Sour taste? Yes! But from whom? The truth is crucial, Gillbot. BTW, I saw you banned a member for stating something without proof. What proof have you shown here? You are just judging things based on nothing but your feeling.

Besides, you guys are right that 920 was merely $200 at Microcenter, but you choose to ignore that i5 was $150 there.

Please show me the evidence of your claims if you want to prove that I am wrong. That is what mature peoples do.

Calling into question a mods activities or choices is a mod callout. This is not allowed here. Any more infractions, and you will be getting a vacation;
Markfw900
Anandtech Moderator

 

[andy5174]

SunnyD :
1. You obviously don't know what the term "Enthusiast" means.

2. - worse transistor
You're full of shit and you know it.

1. Price is not concerned by enthusiast? How many LGA1366 board owners got i7-975? How many LGA1366 board owners got 2x GTX295/HD5970?

2. That's something what childish kids would say when others show him/her the truth that he/she does not want to accept.

 

[Kantastic]

Price Difference:
Performance Difference: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3641

Sour taste? Yes! But from whom? The truth is crucial, Gillbot. BTW, I saw you banned a member for stating something without proof. What proof have you shown here? You are just judging things based on nothing but your feeling.

Besides, you guys are right that 920 was merely $200 at Microcenter, but you choose to ignore that i5 was $150 there.

Please show me the evidence of your claims if you want to prove that I am wrong. That is what mature peoples do.

Your i5 build has 4 less logical cores and that "top end" motherboard doesn't even come close to the Supercomputer, so nope, I still don't see your point.

 

[Gillbot]

Price Difference:
Performance Difference: http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/showdoc.aspx?i=3641

Sour taste? Yes! But from whom? The truth is crucial, Gillbot. BTW, I saw you banned a member for stating something without proof. What proof have you shown here? You are just judging things based on nothing but your feeling.

Besides, you guys are right that 920 was merely $200 at Microcenter, but you choose to ignore that i5 was $150 there.

Please show me the evidence of your claims if you want to prove that I am wrong. That is what mature peoples do.

Nice comment there chief, It's duly noted.

Now to the meat of it:
You are comparing apples to oranges here. i5 is NOT an i7 and when you compare cross platform, be sure to do so on a more equal footing. Hell, if you want to be a fanboi why not toss in the lower cost of the i3?

When you make the playing field level, your "50%" price difference magically goes away. Furthermore, the only proof I need is the price I paid for my i7 system. Your costs are skewed to bias towards the LGA1156 platform. We can debate price all day but the fact remains is that they are DIFFERENT platforms and no direct comparisons can be made.

When my system was assembled, the cost difference between the two platforms was nearly nothing. ZILCH. Now, when you consider that as a factor, why not get the availability of triple channel, Tri-SLI or Xfire for next to nearly no extra cost? THAT would be a silly move, I mean, not getting something better for basically nothing.

This is the same as the old Intel/AMD price/performance debate.

 

[andy5174]

You still don't get it. I am not talking about the best or cheapest products. What I am talking is the cost-performance ratio.

i7 is of course better, but it's much worse than i5 considering the cost-performance ratio especially the performance gain is minimal.

Can you distinguish between absolute performance and cost-performance ratio?

 

[MrK6]

P55 and X58 are two different paths; they have their pros and cons, but one is not outright better than the other unless you apply context.

 

[exar333]

For total performance:

X58 (1366) gets the 32 nm 12MB quads and 12MB hexacores

/thread

 

[Gillbot]

You still don't get it. I am not talking about the best or cheapest products. What I am talking is the cost-performance ratio.

i7 is of course better, but it's much worse than i5 considering the cost-performance ratio especially the performance gain is minimal.

Can you distinguish between absolute performance and cost-performance ratio?

I can easily distinguish between the two, you however cannot.

Lower end LGA1366 motherboards which are priced MUCH less than what you quoted above for your outrageous comparison will perform just as well as many of their higher priced counterparts. You just need to decide what features and accessories you NEED vs. what you are willing to pay. Why didn't you consider these lower priced x58 offerings in your price/performance ratio? They still support Tri-Channel, Tri-SLI/Xfire yet can cost more than $250 less.

Furthermore, when you consider overclocking on LGA1366 that gap gets even larger. That's why most buy the 920 D0 as opposed to the i7 975. You get similar performance from the 920 but a much better price/performance ratio when compared to the i7 975.

When it boils down to it, you are comparing apples to oranges. There is no easy comparison so throwing random numbers like price/performance is completely moot. If you wanted the best price/performance, a stick in the dirt is free so do your own drawing and calculation for infinity performance for zero cost. (See how silly that comparison is?)

 

[SunnyD]

1. Price is not concerned by enthusiast? How many LGA1366 board owners got i7-975? How many LGA1366 board owners got 2x GTX295/HD5970?

2. That's something what childish kids would say when others show him/her the truth that he/she does not want to accept.

1. Yep, I was right. You truly don't know what enthusiast means. I don't know the answers to the latter two questions though. Why don't you pull a few more random numbers out of your ass and let us know, oh wise one.

2. No, it's something more enjoyable to say instead of digging up all the actual facts that have been slapped in your face a'la Chris Brown & Rhianna. You have proof to back up your opinion as fact, go ahead. Lay your cards down on the table. I'm willing to call your bluff.

This farcical nonsense of you, the new member, trying to assert some form of fake technical expertise on an established forum, particularly against trusted and established, let alone well respected members of this forum is truly ballsey of you. I understand that you're trying desperately hard to make a name for yourself so that you can get in the editors' good graces and land a reviewer spot just so you can get freebies, but come on - everybody sees through your bullshit. This isn't a marketing forum. If you want that, head over to the Video Cards and Graphics subforum where you can join the evangelist crews from Nvidia or ATI/AMD; this kind of shit is sadly tolerated over there. If you plan on staying over here, I suggest you shut the hell up, listen and learn from people who actually know what they're talking about.