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Corbyn and Labor closing on May and Tories

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Blackjack200

Blackjack200

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Fuck yeah. Don't know if they'll be able to pull it out, but at least it looks like it's going to be closer than May thought when she called for the election. Remember, this is a guy that won't rule out prosecuting Tony Blair for his role in the Iraq war. Extraordinary stuff.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/two-polls-show-labours-support-10463922

Got a great reception at the Libertines concert.
https://www.joe.co.uk/entertainment...ig-and-had-a-pop-at-the-premier-league-126349

This is the future, not shitty neoliberalism. Get on board boys and girls.
 
Commodus

Commodus

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Not really counting on a win, that's for sure... Corbyn just hasn't been that rallying figure that they need. But yeah, if May and crew end up in a worse position than they were before the election, that's good for everyone.
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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Commodus said:
But yeah, if May and crew end up in a worse position than they were before the election, that's good for everyone.
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That would be hilarious given the cynical, self serving reasons she had for calling a general election! :)

Not going to happen though. :(
 
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mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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My default position since I started voting has always been Libdems, but since their current leader said that he would go with another coalition with the tories, I'm thinking, "Labour, please impress me!". I mean, how the fuck can a libdem leader look at the tories and think, "they seem like a reasonable bunch for liberals to ally ourselves with, especially after the last coalition!"?... "Maybe it won't be so bad if I shoot my other foot?"

Me from ten years ago would be asking me now if I need my head examined as a result of thinking of voting Labour after Blair/Brown, but Corbyn by pretty much every account is the polar opposite.

Did anyone see Michael Gove get ripped a new one?
http://www.lbc.co.uk/radio/presenters/nick-ferrari/michael-gove-numbers-hopelessly-wrong
 
Commodus

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WelshBloke said:
:eek: Might happen!

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/80...eneral-Election-Manchester-bombing-Abedi-Ukip

(Only linking The Express as it's a Tory rag so it's satisfying to see them publish this!)
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I'm going to remain cautious until the polling data is out, but I wouldn't be shocked if Labour does come out relatively strong. What would you think are the factors?

As an outsider, I want to say it's a combination of doubts over May's Brexit approach, general fatigue/frustration with the Tories and, quite possibly, a reaction to the Manchester bombing. I wish the shift weren't coming under these circumstances (whether or not the attack plays a role), but it'd be good to see a backlash against a party that very clearly has contempt for the NHS and the less fortunate.
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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Commodus said:
I'm going to remain cautious until the polling data is out, but I wouldn't be shocked if Labour does come out relatively strong. What would you think are the factors?

As an outsider, I want to say it's a combination of doubts over May's Brexit approach, general fatigue/frustration with the Tories and, quite possibly, a reaction to the Manchester bombing. I wish the shift weren't coming under these circumstances (whether or not the attack plays a role), but it'd be good to see a backlash against a party that very clearly has contempt for the NHS and the less fortunate.
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The two campaigns are totally different.

Torys are very controlled. Guests at meetings by invite only. Small managed hustings and photo ops.
Labour are having huge outdoor meetings that anyone can turn up to, and vast crowds are turning up.
Even the press are being more sympathetic to Corbyn after getting fairly free access compared to the controlled Tory approach.

Also the Labour manifesto has seemed to resonate with the British public.
 
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pmv

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Labour can't possibly win. It's just a question of how badly they will lose.

However, it's a weird situation in that anything other than a landslide for May will seem like a kind of defeat. If she ends up with about the same majority she started with she'll look pretty stupid for having wasted everyone's time and energy on an unnecessary election.

Also it looks as if the Labour MPs most likely to lose their seats are those most opposed to Corbyn, so ironically a modest defeat might actually strengthen his position in the party.

And if the Lib Dems are the damp squib they are looking to be that ought to raise some doubts about the notion that Labour 'moderates' could do any better than Corbyn.
 
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pmv said:
Also it looks as if the Labour MPs most likely to lose their seats are those most opposed to Corbyn, so ironically a modest defeat might actually strengthen his position in the party.
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If nothing else a modest defeat might still mean that Labour could get rid of him, but the excuse for doing so would have to be his perceived weaknesses as a leader, not the perceived weaknesses of his political positions.
 
WelshBloke

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mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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WelshBloke said:
The last coalition almost killed the libdems as a party. I'm not surprised that they are trying to avoid another one!
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I know, though I could have sworn I read somewhere that Tim Farron would consider another coalition with the tories.
 
WelshBloke

WelshBloke

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mikeymikec said:
I know, though I could have sworn I read somewhere that Tim Farron would consider another coalition with the tories.
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I don't remember that at all. I think that they are trying to distance themselves from the tories.
I think that their position is not to have a coalition but to vote on the issues as they arrive.

The coalition with the tories still makes me shake my head. Your average libdem voter is way closer to the left than the right. I just don't see how they ever thought that their base would be happy with them.
 
mikeymikec

mikeymikec

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WelshBloke said:
I don't remember that at all. I think that they are trying to distance themselves from the tories.
I think that their position is not to have a coalition but to vote on the issues as they arrive.

The coalition with the tories still makes me shake my head. Your average libdem voter is way closer to the left than the right. I just don't see how they ever thought that their base would be happy with them.
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New Labour was never "the left" though. New Labour deserved to be kicked to the curb for many reasons. A libdem - labour coalition back then would have been more of the same bungling. IMO the libdem - tory coalition worked well in a few respects as the libdems provided the counterweight to stop the tories going full derp in a few cases. Once that was done with in 2015 the tories reverted to full derp.
 
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pmv

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MomentsofSanity said:
She will retain PM in a hung parliament.
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What's your reasoning?

Seems to me _if_ there's a hung parliament (and I don't know if there will be - who knows at this point?) she won't remain leader of the Tory party, yet alone PM.

Tories are as ruthless about failure as a Bond villain. It'll be the trapdoor and shark pool for her - metaphorically speaking.

Edit - Osborne's grinning like a shark already.
 
MomentsofSanity

MomentsofSanity

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Sorry was just referring to general results. It's very likely she will resign. At least looking at the comments from Liam Fox tonight.
 
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