Cops = mob mentality?

[Dari]

Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: Dari
Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

While I generally agree with your sentiment, I still don't think that police should be allowed to carry out street justice like this. Everyone deserves their day in court, even murderous thugs.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari
Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

While I generally agree with your sentiment, I still don't think that police should be allowed to carry out street justice like this. Everyone deserves their day in court, even murderous thugs.

I know. But my cousin's husband has family in Philly and they have to take public transportation when they go there. It's scary wondering if she'll make it back to NYC when she visit his family there. Her husband says that people literally get away with murder over there. Police need to be more aggressive in their dealings with those people over there. The lives of citizens is more important than the rights of thugs.

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: fallout man


I certainly wish that we could have a healthy discussion about this as a forum of people from all walks of life.

three cop-cars loaded with pork

something smells, and it smells like bacon.

sure that the (ex)police-on-duty members of the forum, and the small-testacle-angsty-crew

What a great way to promote a healthy discussion...:roll:

Are you the pork on duty, or the small-testacle-crew representative?

No disrespect, seriously. :roll:

Originally posted by: Dari

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

Are they reading the BBC on the public library computer? Give them the max for public indecency.

Are they talking a little too "street?" Club their teeth out.

If they run from you when you try to harrass and then beat them, bring them in for evading a police officer.

If they happen to try and defend themselves from your vicious beating, bring them in bloody and bruised, and charge them with assaulting a police officer.

If your unjustified and illegal assault on an innocent kid gets media attention, get four weeks vacation with pay.

When four weeks is up and the "investigation" officially says that you did a stand-up job, get back to work and get some high-fives from YER BRAHS, DUDE.

 

[fallout man]

nt

 

[JD50]

Originally posted by: fallout man
Are you the pork on duty, or the small-testacle-crew representative?

No disrespect, seriously. :roll:

How mature.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: fallout man


I certainly wish that we could have a healthy discussion about this as a forum of people from all walks of life.

three cop-cars loaded with pork

something smells, and it smells like bacon.

sure that the (ex)police-on-duty members of the forum, and the small-testacle-angsty-crew

What a great way to promote a healthy discussion...:roll:

Are you the pork on duty, or the small-testacle-crew representative?

No disrespect, seriously. :roll:

Originally posted by: Dari

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

Are they reading the BBC on the public library computer? Give them the max for public indecency.

Are they talking a little too "street?" Club their teeth out.

If they run from you when you try to harrass and then beat them, bring them in for evading a police officer.

If they happen to try and defend themselves from your vicious beating, bring them in bloody and bruised, and charge them with assaulting a police officer.

If your unjustified and illegal assault on an innocent kid gets media attention, get four weeks vacation with pay.

When four weeks is up and the "investigation" officially says that you did a stand-up job, get back to work and get some high-fives from YER BRAHS, DUDE.

If you lived in a crime-riddled neighborhood you'd be singing a different tune. It's cute to argue for the rights of criminals until you're their victim on a daily basis.

 

[fallout man]

Originally posted by: Dari

If you lived in a crime-riddled neighborhood you'd be singing a different tune. It's cute to argue for the rights of criminals until you're their victim on a daily basis.

If I lived in a neighborhood that was more crime-riddled than mine, then I would get a CCP and fend for myself. Also, I would expect the police to behave by the rules and be on my side.

Where are you thuggin' it, Dari? Upper East Side?

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: smack Down

Originally posted by: alchemize
Obviously they knew something about these three. You don't have 37 cops swarm in on some folks ridin dirty.


edit:
"The three suspects ? Dwayne Dyches, Brian Hall and Pete Hopkins ? were each charged with attempted murder in the shooting, police said."

I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day makes you want to step on the maggots now and again. I couldn't do their job...

Like Arkaign, I have friends and relatives that are LEO. You definitely get a few that abuse the authority, but they are the minority and typically wash out eventually. Especially in modern departments, the shit going on in the 60's and 70's was a bit wilder. Most are trying to earn a living and do a good job.

Cops are just criminals who didn't get caught and get paid by the government.

I wish Karma was real There'd be a carjacking in your future...

And the Karma would be the police showing up 30 minutes later instead of 20?

Yah, cause cops usually take 20-30 minutes to respond to a carjacking :roll:.

 

[lupi]

I guess they are having a lower than average kill rate with tasers lately and so have resulted to the old tried and try physical beating.

 

[alchemize]

Another pig criminal story of the day! How dare they shoot this guy!

Getting that kill rate up the easy way.

 

[Socio]

Originally posted by: alchemize
Obviously they knew something about these three. You don't have 37 cops swarm in on some folks ridin dirty.


edit:
"The three suspects ? Dwayne Dyches, Brian Hall and Pete Hopkins ? were each charged with attempted murder in the shooting, police said."

I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day makes you want to step on the maggots now and again. I couldn't do their job...

I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day, busting them booking them only to see them right back on the street the next day gets pretty damn frustrating for them. I can?t blame them for wanting to administer some deterrent measures of their own; our pathetically weak judicial system sure as hell doesn?t do it for them, more often than not it makes it harder for them.

 

[lupi]

Originally posted by: Socio

Originally posted by: alchemize
Obviously they knew something about these three. You don't have 37 cops swarm in on some folks ridin dirty.


edit:
"The three suspects ? Dwayne Dyches, Brian Hall and Pete Hopkins ? were each charged with attempted murder in the shooting, police said."

I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day makes you want to step on the maggots now and again. I couldn't do their job...

I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day, busting them booking them only to see them right back on the street the next day gets pretty damn frustrating for them. I can?t blame them for wanting to administer some deterrent measures of their own; our pathetically weak judicial system sure as hell doesn?t do it for them, more often than not it makes it harder for them.

Something about 99 to go free vice 1 falsely imprisonned comes to mind.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: fallout man

Originally posted by: Dari

If you lived in a crime-riddled neighborhood you'd be singing a different tune. It's cute to argue for the rights of criminals until you're their victim on a daily basis.

If I lived in a neighborhood that was more crime-riddled than mine, then I would get a CCP and fend for myself. Also, I would expect the police to behave by the rules and be on my side.

Where are you thuggin' it, Dari? Upper East Side?

http://www.columbiaspectator.com/node/30285

No, fool. Up in Morningside Heights, we have criminals running around, robbing, torturing, and killing students. Very seldom do idiots like you think about the victims until it happens to you or someone you know.

 

[Arkaign]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I believe there was a study done a number of years ago in Miami, when the city had one of the highest number of complaints about police, that concluded that it is actually safer for everyone involved if police ride alone. They found that police, when in large numbers (which could be as small as 2 - 5) would frequently feel emboldened by one another and fail to follow protocol or procedure.

I'll track down the name of it, but it's an interesting read.

This is definitely the kind of thing I was thinking of when I posted this thread. Cops alone or 1 or 2 at a time, seem less likely to go berserk. These kinds of incidents always seem to involve 3-4+ officers in a high-tension situation just flying off the handle and doing really zany stuff.

A study would be a welcome component to this discussion, as I really hate to see this topic dip into the flames. There are real, and important issues to discuss here, aside from pre-existing pro/con feelings about the police in general.

 

[alchemize]

Originally posted by: Arkaign

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber
I believe there was a study done a number of years ago in Miami, when the city had one of the highest number of complaints about police, that concluded that it is actually safer for everyone involved if police ride alone. They found that police, when in large numbers (which could be as small as 2 - 5) would frequently feel emboldened by one another and fail to follow protocol or procedure.

I'll track down the name of it, but it's an interesting read.

This is definitely the kind of thing I was thinking of when I posted this thread. Cops alone or 1 or 2 at a time, seem less likely to go berserk. These kinds of incidents always seem to involve 3-4+ officers in a high-tension situation just flying off the handle and doing really zany stuff.

A study would be a welcome component to this discussion, as I really hate to see this topic dip into the flames. There are real, and important issues to discuss here, aside from pre-existing pro/con feelings about the police in general.

I think that's human nature, not police nature. Heck, it might even just be nature...look at pack behaviors versus individual behaviors in animals.

 

[mxyzptlk]

Has there been any news on what the 3 victims were accused of? I briefly heard on the news this morning that the three had only been charged with assault and reckless endangerment.. Who were their victims and what were the circumstances that lead to the "chase" which appears more like a normal traffic stop.

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari
Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

While I generally agree with your sentiment, I still don't think that police should be allowed to carry out street justice like this. Everyone deserves their day in court, even murderous thugs.

I know. But my cousin's husband has family in Philly and they have to take public transportation when they go there. It's scary wondering if she'll make it back to NYC when she visit his family there. Her husband says that people literally get away with murder over there. Police need to be more aggressive in their dealings with those people over there. The lives of citizens is more important than the rights of thugs.

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

If you had a less myopic view, you might be able to see that your proposed suggestions, which have been tried time and time again, lead to an increase in violence and crime, not increased safety. Sending non-violent drug offenders to prison doesn't reform them, It turns them into repeat, violent offenders. Giving young people a reason to distrust and hate authority figures does little to help officers build the kind of relationship that they need with a community to effectively police it.

What does "fix" bad neighborhoods is slow and takes longer than you seem to be able to comprehend. It takes a generation or more of work to bring about real change. You need to ensure that young people have something to do besides getting into trouble and have the education and inspiration to want to grow into productive members of society, not gang members. You need to have a police force that is seen as a service to the community, not violent oppressors that must be rebelled against on a daily basis. The answer to a crime wave is better police work, not mob brutality.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
Has there been any news on what the 3 victims were accused of? I briefly heard on the news this morning that the three had only been charged with assault and reckless endangerment.. Who were their victims and what were the circumstances that lead to the "chase" which appears more like a normal traffic stop.

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari
Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

While I generally agree with your sentiment, I still don't think that police should be allowed to carry out street justice like this. Everyone deserves their day in court, even murderous thugs.

I know. But my cousin's husband has family in Philly and they have to take public transportation when they go there. It's scary wondering if she'll make it back to NYC when she visit his family there. Her husband says that people literally get away with murder over there. Police need to be more aggressive in their dealings with those people over there. The lives of citizens is more important than the rights of thugs.

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

If you had a less myopic view, you might be able to see that your proposed suggestions, which have been tried time and time again, lead to an increase in violence and crime, not increased safety. Sending non-violent drug offenders to prison doesn't reform them, It turns them into repeat, violent offenders. Giving young people a reason to distrust and hate authority figures does little to help officers build the kind of relationship that they need with a community to effectively police it.

What does "fix" bad neighborhoods is slow and takes longer than you seem to be able to comprehend. It takes a generation or more of work to bring about real change. You need to ensure that young people have something to do besides getting into trouble and have the education and inspiration to want to grow into productive members of society, not gang members. You need to have a police force that is seen as a service to the community, not violent oppressors that must be rebelled against on a daily basis. The answer to a crime wave is better police work, not mob brutality.

If only you knew what you were talking about. The tactics I just mentioned aren't my own. They were used aggressively in NYC in the 1990s and are now being used in Baltimore: http://www.economist.com/world...36457&CFTOKEN=43138756

The truth is, more aggressive tactics work. People may not like it but it gets the job done. The tale of drug offenders is a sad one but, given the reality of the effects of drugs on neighborhoods in the inner-city, we have no choice but to be aggressive. If the inner-city can't shake this drug problem, then the problem really isn't drugs. It goes much deeper, such as lack of education and/or fathers. But that's another story. Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

 

[alchemize]

I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

 

[mxyzptlk]

in NYC, where they're still shooting unarmed black men to death? Yea I can see how you would be okay with that if you WEREN'T an unarmed black man..

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: JD50

Originally posted by: Dari
Philly has been having a major crime wave the past couple of years and one cop was killed last week. I have no sympathy for these assholes. Even though I hate when cops shoot innocent people, these people were just caught escaping from a major criminal incident. They should've been shot on the spot. Now, the media is going to treat them like victims. Fuck them. They really, really deserved that ass-whopping for making Philadelphia so unliveable.

While I generally agree with your sentiment, I still don't think that police should be allowed to carry out street justice like this. Everyone deserves their day in court, even murderous thugs.

I know. But my cousin's husband has family in Philly and they have to take public transportation when they go there. It's scary wondering if she'll make it back to NYC when she visit his family there. Her husband says that people literally get away with murder over there. Police need to be more aggressive in their dealings with those people over there. The lives of citizens is more important than the rights of thugs.

See them on the street? Pat them down.

Do they have priors? Make sure they update their whereabouts with police or they return to jail.

Caught with narcotics? Give them the max.

Minor crime? Take them in for questioning. They may be wanted anyway.

Is there a high crime neighborhood? Harrass the youngsters and males.

So a police state is the answer. Thats some great critical thinking you are coming up with.

Originally posted by: Socio
I imagine dealing with scum of the earth every day, busting them booking them only to see them right back on the street the next day gets pretty damn frustrating for them. I can?t blame them for wanting to administer some deterrent measures of their own; our pathetically weak judicial system sure as hell doesn?t do it for them, more often than not it makes it harder for them.

Guess its all excused then. Those cops had a bad day, and those 3 guys just happened to be there. Police can do no wrong in Socio's book.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: alchemize
I think we should pick a big city somewhere with a lot of gang presence - Houston, Seattle, LA, etc. and completely legalize drugs and sell them through government outlets.

It would be fascinating to see what impact it had on crime, corruption, brutality, etc.

Gangs lose their profit - do they turn to other crimes for $$? Does it become affordable (free?) for addicts so they quit committing so many crimes? Does it take the monkey off the backs of the police who are executing the "war on drugs" at the expense of our privacy and civil rights?

That's a terrible idea considering you'd have a large and growing segment of the population that would become addicted to drugs. It could destroy the city.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: mxyzptlk
in NYC, where they're still shooting unarmed black men to death? Yea I can see how you would be okay with that if you WEREN'T an unarmed black man..

I am a black man. I see this shit happening around my campus and just wished somebody would blow one of this assholes' head clean off. I have no sympathy for these criminals, even though they are of the same color as me. But, as it stand, the city doesn't help either. Last year I went to apply for a gun license only to find out that I had to have an attorney or someone from the range fill out my papers. WTF? It's like they want the criminals to have the advantage.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

Originally posted by: Dari

Now, the cops have a job to do and they need to be ruthless in carrying out their duties so that innocent people don't fall victim to these assholes.

I take it you are proponent of no-knock warrants then, right?

If the neighborhood is in terrible shape, then I have no problem with it. No reason why citizens should live in fear of the criminals in their midst.