Cops Execute Restrained Dog (Video)

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tcsenter

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The dog was wagging its tail, for god's sake, after it had been shot.
Tail wagging is not an indication of anything. People have been bitten and attacked because they misinterpreted tail wagging as docile, submissive, or friendly behavior. Dogs can wag their tails in nervousness or excitement (as in, central nervous system stimulation).
 
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daw123

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Tail wagging is not an indication of anything. People have been bitten and attacked because they misinterpreted tail wagging as docile or friendly behavior.

Not that it matters after the dog has been shot.

Edit: After reading your post, I did a little bit of research (emphasis on the little) and you are correct that tail wagging can signify different things. Likewise barking can also signify different things, hence the woman in the OP's article stating that the reason she reported the dog was because it growled at her and her daughter cannot be necessarily construed as an aggressive act by the dog:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_communication#Growls

It is an interesting read considering I was brought up having a pet dog and both my parents and brother still have dogs.

I must say that from my personal observations of being around dogs for the last 15-20 years, that the wiki entry seems to be correct. I can certainly 'read' a dog's intentions much better than I can with a cat, despite living in a house where my landlord owned a cat for 2.5 years.
 
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SirStev0

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Not only is he a fuckwad for killing a restrained animal, but on the chance that it did have rabies and he was bitten, he killed the chance to confirm the diagnosis. Hope he enjoys a probably unnecessary nasty round of stomach injections.
 

tcsenter

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The problem here is that a huge percentage of police officers are NOT trained well enough to handle or interact with animals, nor is the majority of the general population.

Some people are nervous around animals, they just aren't comfortable around them. But the job requires them to interact with or wrangle animals (e.g. horses, cows, ostriches, emus, dogs, whatever). Its not an elective part of the job. They don't get to go "I'm not really comfortable so call someone else."

Hell, I've even seen animal control officers who were AFRAID of dogs. They use the catch/choke poles for everything, even really docile and submissive dogs.
 

amdhunter

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Hope someone shoots them both in the fucking head. Why didn't they cage her when they had her restrained?

And yes, I 100% absolutely do mean it. I hope someone shoots them in the head too, but doesn't give them the second shot to end their suffering.
 

dighn

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From what the article says, he cop shoots it the second time to stop the suffering.

I thought that was pretty obvious if you didn't have a bias against cops. The dog was obviously seriously and likely mortally wounded, and a shot to the head would have been the merciful thing to do.
 

daw123

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Hope someone shoots them both in the fucking head. Why didn't they cage her when they had her restrained?

And yes, I 100% absolutely do mean it. I hope someone shoots them in the head too, but doesn't give them the second shot to end their suffering.

I think you mean shot in the stomach. If they get shot in the head then that is pretty much game over first time.

Not that I'm condoning this action, since I would rather see these cops dragged through the courts, but alas it will never happen because they will be protected by law and their peers.

Unfortunately, the police seem to get away with an awful lot compared to the public and it doesn't matter which western country you are talking about. No doubt I will be ostracised by ATOT for this post, but I don't care. The laws and unwritten rules are designed to protect these assholes.
 
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Elfear

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As a dog owner I think it is terrible that the dog was trained that way and tragic that she had to be put down. I can't fault the cop though for shooting the poor thing. A pitbull is a very intimidating dog. They can be excellent animals if trained correctly but, if not, they can be very dangerous. IIRC, pitbulls account for ~1/2 of all dog attacks (or it may be deaths caused by dogs). I didn't realize what a contrast they are to other dogs their same weight until I visited a buddy who has one. Friendliest dog you could imagine but man that thing had huge jaws and a muscular body. If the cop wasn't sure whether he could keep the dog under control, I can't blame him for putting it down.
 

Raduque

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That's disgusting. It's cops like these two assholes that give the rest of them bad names. This was a travesty.


And for the idiot who thinks a growling dog is being aggressive, my mother's MinPin growls when he's talking to you. He's not being aggressive, or vicious, that's just how he communicates.
 

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Can't argue with that. Pit bulls should be exterminated on sight.

Why? My GF's dog is a small pit. Sweetest dog in the world. She gets into occasional dog fights but otherwise is amazing with people. My GF has even had her around infants (monitored of course) and she's never shown an iota of aggression. Yes they're strong and muscular and could probably do some damage but, unless abused or neglected, are completely docile to humans. Living in NYC i see and interact with quite a few of them. Hell, they were originally nicknamed the "Nanny Dog" due to the affection and gentle nature towards humans. Just train them properly as you would any other dog and they behave very well.
 

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As a dog owner I think it is terrible that the dog was trained that way and tragic that she had to be put down. I can't fault the cop though for shooting the poor thing. A pitbull is a very intimidating dog. They can be excellent animals if trained correctly but, if not, they can be very dangerous. IIRC, pitbulls account for ~1/2 of all dog attacks (or it may be deaths caused by dogs). I didn't realize what a contrast they are to other dogs their same weight until I visited a buddy who has one. Friendliest dog you could imagine but man that thing had huge jaws and a muscular body. If the cop wasn't sure whether he could keep the dog under control, I can't blame him for putting it down.

You can't stereotype the way the dog will act based on its breed. I'm also not sure what you are referring to with regard to training since it was never mentioned in the OP's article.

I wouldn't lend too much credence to the neighbour's statements either, since you don't know if they had an agenda against their neighbour and let's face it, it is their word against his (although, based only upon the information in the OP's link, he doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer).
 
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Acanthus

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It was a strange dog with officers that were not trained to handle the situation.

The owner obviously didn't give a shit about the animal or it wouldn't have been loose with no license or tags. Now it's a fucking tragedy apparently... Whatever.

They were having a hell of a time controlling the dog and made a decision.

Yeah, it's sad if you're an animal lover, but come on.
 

Acanthus

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You can't stereotype the way the dog will act based on its breed. I'm also not sure what you are referring to with regard to training since it was never mentioned in the OP's article.

I wouldn't lend to much credence to the neighbour's statements either, since you don't know if they had an agenda against their neighbour and let's face it, it is their word against his (although, based only upon the information in the OP's link, he doesn't seem to be the sharpest knife in the drawer).

over 90% of dog attacks are committed by 3 breeds. You sure as hell can stereotype their likelihood of aggression. Especially if you're not trained to deal with this kind of crap.
 

daw123

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over 90% of dog attacks are committed by 3 breeds. You sure as hell can stereotype their likelihood of aggression. Especially if you're not trained to deal with this kind of crap.

Then the people who are attempting to restrain these types of dogs, should be trained to handle the situation, rather than the jokers in the OP's video.
 

tcsenter

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Not necessarily propensity for aggression but the animal's strength, physical robustness, and gameness that contribute to its ability to inflict serious injury while absorbing or shrugging-off significant injury to itself.

This dog never displayed aggression, just fear, which makes it even more unpredictable and dangerous.
 

Wyndru

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over 90% of dog attacks are committed by 3 breeds. You sure as hell can stereotype their likelihood of aggression. Especially if you're not trained to deal with this kind of crap.

Wow, that's nuts.

Based on another site, it says these are the top 10

http://www.petsdo.com/blog/top-ten-10-most-dangerous-dog-breeds

1. Pit Bull
2. Rottweilers
3. German Shepard
4. Huskies
5. Alaskan Malamutes
6. Doberman Pinschers
7. Chow Chow
8. Presa Canario
9. Boxer
10. Dalmation

Strange, I know lots of people with Rottweilers, and none of them are aggressive. The ones I know are big, goofy and loving, but not aggressive.

I don't know anyone with a pitbull, but I would think if it was raised non-aggressively it would not be dangerous.

I'll stick with Golden Retrievers and Yellow Labs I guess.
 

Perknose

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questionable, but I myself did not watch the video.

You really should, if you have any doubts as to the legitimacy of this killing.

For the full seven minutes, the dog was NEVER agressive, only running a little away when they tried to put the pole snare on her. Each time they stopped, the dog would simply stand or sit in a TOTALLY non-aggressive posture.

I can't emphasize this enough. Just watch, you'll see.

Then, when they had the rigid pole snare on the dog, there was no way the dog could possibly escape OR attack them!

ALL the dog did then was wiggle a bit trying to get out of the snare. It posed zero danger to either officer.

The officer then CALMLY takes out his pistol while in zero danger and executes the dog.

Just WATCH IT if you don't believe me.

Disgusting.
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Zebo

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LOL "execution" "assassination" It's just a damn dog. I've "assassinated" at least 40,000 animals so shoot me.
 

Zebo

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Tail wagging is not an indication of anything. People have been bitten and attacked because they misinterpreted tail wagging as docile, submissive, or friendly behavior. Dogs can wag their tails in nervousness or excitement (as in, central nervous system stimulation).

Pit bulls tail wags when they fight. They love that shit more than life itself.
 

Zebo

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Can't argue with that. Pit bulls should be exterminated on sight.

This. They have no place in modern world which has outlawed dog fighting. Or at very least you should have an exotic dangerous pet license like for a tiger to own one.