cops are pigs

[ferrarifreak93]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

?stupid fvcking OP? huh? Yeah, you?re the genius right? Btw, what?s Electrical Engineer @ Virginia Tech doing in your sig? are you bragging or something? Please, no one cares. I?m a mechanical engineer @ University of Illinois ? Champaign but I?m not posting that in my sig for everyone to see. It was just an opinion, stop flaming.

 

[Slappy00]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life, it is unethical and the cop will be put on "administrative leave" barring a review if he or she does that my buddy decied to express his frustration in a nonviolent and non threating manner if the cop pulled a gun on him in that situation he would be in some trouble. Pulling a gun on someone is an unecessary escalation of situation by doing that the police officer believes that: a guy that is probaly more than 2 meters away from him, unarmed, walking side to side is a threat to his life. By pulling a gun out the cop says that he is prepaird to kill this man involved in a nonvolent protest, for reasons unknown, now whos crazy the person demonstrating his dissatisfaction or the person ready to kill him?

 

[Klandestine]

i move that everyone stop "quoting". my mouse is getting warm from all this scrolling action

 

[Stumps]

some body get a bucket of water!

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

Certainly if the officer feels in danger, he can draw his gun. That's just another power trip for the officer. It's his ass if he shoots an unarmed civilian though. Plus the civilian could say that they suffered severe emotional trauma having a gun pointed at them... Either way, civilians have more rights than police officers. Any police officer will tell you that.

I don't think every officer is out to power-trip on you. I'm sure some are, but I feel them to be exceptions rather than the rule.

I think the difference is that I don't see giving up the right to do something insanely stupid whenever I feel like it as a step towards losing all freedom. This is a very specific situation: encounter with law enforcement. If I give up the right to shimmy for a cop and his female partner because I don't agree with his reason for pulling me over, I don't see that as meaning my freedom has been "eroded" and that I'll eventually lose all my freedoms because of it. The same way I don't feel that having my bag searched at an airport or something like that is an infringement of my freedom.

Of course, this opens up the question of which freedoms really are important and which aren't so much, and how we can know the difference. But like you quoted yourself, "the price of freedom is eternal vigilance". There's no formula to it, or we'd be using that. Just have to use your head.

And with that, I'm passing out. Later!

:beer: for keeping this relatively civil.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

?stupid fvcking OP? huh? Yeah, you?re the genius right? Btw, what?s Electrical Engineer @ Virginia Tech doing in your sig? are you bragging or something? Please, no one cares. I?m a mechanical engineer @ University of Illinois ? Champaign but I?m not posting that in my sig for everyone to see. It was just an opinion, stop flaming.

for you

It's there in case someone from VT happens to be posting on these boards and wants to say hi, which has happened a couple times already.

Blow me.

 

[Slappy00]

Ok its 4am here i and im out...

let me finish by saying:

I WIN

 

[ferrarifreak93]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

?stupid fvcking OP? huh? Yeah, you?re the genius right? Btw, what?s Electrical Engineer @ Virginia Tech doing in your sig? are you bragging or something? Please, no one cares. I?m a mechanical engineer @ University of Illinois ? Champaign but I?m not posting that in my sig for everyone to see. It was just an opinion, stop flaming.

for you

It's there in case someone from VT happens to be posting on these boards and wants to say hi, which has happened a couple times already.

Blow me.

oh, ok if that really is your reason, i didn't think about that. greetings fellow engineer! but please, don't flame so much!

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

?stupid fvcking OP? huh? Yeah, you?re the genius right? Btw, what?s Electrical Engineer @ Virginia Tech doing in your sig? are you bragging or something? Please, no one cares. I?m a mechanical engineer @ University of Illinois ? Champaign but I?m not posting that in my sig for everyone to see. It was just an opinion, stop flaming.

for you

It's there in case someone from VT happens to be posting on these boards and wants to say hi, which has happened a couple times already.

Blow me.

oh, ok if that really is your reason, i didn't think about that. greetings fellow engineer! but please, don't flame so much!

You start a thread titled "cops are pigs" and I'M the troll?

 

[thegimp03]

oink

 

[Stumps]

where's my flame thrower!

 

[ferrarifreak93]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: ferrarifreak93

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

?stupid fvcking OP? huh? Yeah, you?re the genius right? Btw, what?s Electrical Engineer @ Virginia Tech doing in your sig? are you bragging or something? Please, no one cares. I?m a mechanical engineer @ University of Illinois ? Champaign but I?m not posting that in my sig for everyone to see. It was just an opinion, stop flaming.

for you

It's there in case someone from VT happens to be posting on these boards and wants to say hi, which has happened a couple times already.

Blow me.

oh, ok if that really is your reason, i didn't think about that. greetings fellow engineer! but please, don't flame so much!

You start a thread titled "cops are pigs" and I'M the troll?

you called me a "stupid fvcking OP", i didn't call cops "stupid fvcking pigs". just lovely, intelligent, pigs

 

[Stumps]

yeah right...admit it!

 

[yhelothar]

Originally posted by: Siddhartha
I saw a show on TV about how cops are trained. They are trained to be unpleasant because they have to deal with psychopaths who equate reasonable behavoir with weakness.

But considering what cops do day in and day out. you have to wonder what sort of person selects police work as a profession.

Highschool bully hothead. There is this hothead bully at the highschool I went to that is training to become a cop now.

 

[Yo Ma Ma]

Originally posted by: slick230

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: Nebor
Alright, I looked it up, and there's nothing saying you have to remain in your car. You can get out if you so desire. You might get a gun pointed at you though. And you might get shot. But if you get shot just for getting out of your car, without a weapon, you can die content in knowing that a police officers life has been ruined.

I love being a smartass to cops. I've NEVER gotten a warning. I never expect to get a warning. I may as well have some fun with him for my $300. But it's not worth a bullet in the ass. I'll be staying in the car.

the only time a cops is allowed to pull a gun on you is in the case of a felony stop or if his life in in immenent danger from you. he cannot and should not pull a gun on you if it is a routine traffic stop, and you have no warrants or any other reason for him or her to feel you might be posing a treat to his safety. Just keep your distance let him see your hands and talk, simple as that.

I hope you get Tazer'd like this dumbass.

Hard to think logically through the haze of alcohol

 

[jlee]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

You can't intimidate an officer by asking for a badge number. You do realize that it's written on your ticket, right?


As far as traffic stops go, I watched a cruiser video of SC State Trooper Mark Cotes get shot and killed by an individual who had been polite through the entire stop, and yes, he was out of the vehicle. Unfortunately, he survived five .357 magnum rounds..and the officer was fatally injured.

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life,

That's a bit restrictive. An officer can use deadly force to protect the lives of himself and other people, to prevent/stop a violent crime, etc. It's not just his own life -- don't try to kidnap and rape someone and believe that you can't get shot.

 

[maziwanka]

jackass

 

[dabuddha]

If cops are pigs, then the OP is a moron.

 

[Hammer]

i wouldn't say cops are pigs. more like 80% of cops are pigs, but the other 20% are good people that care about their job and community.

 

[Ausm]

Probably got busted using your one hitter?


AUsm

 

[SpunkyJones]

Originally posted by: BannedTroll
ferrarifreak93 is a dumbfvck. That is all.

 

[BigJ]

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life, it is unethical and the cop will be put on "administrative leave" barring a review if he or she does that my buddy decied to express his frustration in a nonviolent and non threating manner if the cop pulled a gun on him in that situation he would be in some trouble. Pulling a gun on someone is an unecessary escalation of situation by doing that the police officer believes that: a guy that is probaly more than 2 meters away from him, unarmed, walking side to side is a threat to his life. By pulling a gun out the cop says that he is prepaird to kill this man involved in a nonvolent protest, for reasons unknown, now whos crazy the person demonstrating his dissatisfaction or the person ready to kill him?

Originally posted by: CadetLee

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life,

That's a bit restrictive. An officer can use deadly force to protect the lives of himself and other people, to prevent/stop a violent crime, etc. It's not just his own life -- don't try to kidnap and rape someone and believe that you can't get shot.

You can bet your ass the cop would've been within his legal limits to pull a gun on your friend for goose-stepping by his vehicle. Quite simply, since it is very eccentric behavior, the officer could have thought your friend was on any number of illegal substances. This puts him in a very bad situation where him and his partner could be in danger. And that means your friend being handcuffed while the cops have probable cause to search the car.

These "rules" are put in place because they help keep officers safe. A police officer doesn't know whats going to happen during a "routine" traffic stop, and it goes better for everybody if people are compliant. You can try giving a cop a hard time, but you can bet your ass the cop is going to give you a harder time if they want.

EDIT: Also Slappy, I think you're confusing discharging the weapon with unholstering the weapon. There are many reasons why an officer can unholster their weapon, but there are only a few reasons why an officer can discharge their weapon.

 

[jdub1107]

I live in Southern CA and has never had problems with police officers. I've been pulled over six times for speeding during my first few years of driving, and I was always curteous and polite to them. Out of the six times, I only got three tickets. Don't know if I've been lucky or what, but I have no problem with staying in my car and waiting for them to run a check on me.

 

[Slappy00]

Originally posted by: BigJ

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life, it is unethical and the cop will be put on "administrative leave" barring a review if he or she does that my buddy decied to express his frustration in a nonviolent and non threating manner if the cop pulled a gun on him in that situation he would be in some trouble. Pulling a gun on someone is an unecessary escalation of situation by doing that the police officer believes that: a guy that is probaly more than 2 meters away from him, unarmed, walking side to side is a threat to his life. By pulling a gun out the cop says that he is prepaird to kill this man involved in a nonvolent protest, for reasons unknown, now whos crazy the person demonstrating his dissatisfaction or the person ready to kill him?

Originally posted by: CadetLee

a cop cannot pull a gun on someone unless the person is endagering the cops life,

That's a bit restrictive. An officer can use deadly force to protect the lives of himself and other people, to prevent/stop a violent crime, etc. It's not just his own life -- don't try to kidnap and rape someone and believe that you can't get shot.

You can bet your ass the cop would've been within his legal limits to pull a gun on your friend for goose-stepping by his vehicle. Quite simply, since it is very eccentric behavior, the officer could have thought your friend was on any number of illegal substances. This puts him in a very bad situation where him and his partner could be in danger. And that means your friend being handcuffed while the cops have probable cause to search the car.

These "rules" are put in place because they help keep officers safe. A police officer doesn't know whats going to happen during a "routine" traffic stop, and it goes better for everybody if people are compliant. You can try giving a cop a hard time, but you can bet your ass the cop is going to give you a harder time if they want.

EDIT: Also Slappy, I think you're confusing discharging the weapon with unholstering the weapon. There are many reasons why an officer can unholster their weapon, but there are only a few reasons why an officer can discharge their weapon.

Well there was an incident at my school about a month or two ago when cops pulled over a car full of students and approached the car with their guns unholstered and pointed at the subjects. Now this car had as its occupents 3 girls and one guy or something of that nature, all complying with the police orders and not posing any real threat to the police officers that included the state police, sherrif dept, the school police, the city police. The school and city police got into alot of trouble with the department as well as with the school and the city (ironically at one of the best law enforcement schools in the nation) . I dont know about the laws in your municipality but pulling a gun on someone and pointing it at them in a non threating situation is at the very lest grounds for a small vactation for the officer involved, and bad pr for the department.

Also there are methods for situations and levels of escalating violence, or danger, erratic behavior does not = gun drawn. What happens in a situation like that is a cop calls for back up and uses non-lethal methods to subdue the person, only resorting to lethal menthods if the situation warrants. Pulling the gun out commits you to using it if the situation escalates, where as pulling out the pepper-spray does not require you to kill anybody and still allows you the freedom to unholster your gun if the situation further degrades. Even so a cop is not allowed to take any offensive measures, preemptive or otherwise if a person is pissed about a ticket and is peaceably demonstrating his or her dissatisfaction.

 

[cressida]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: cressida
I've seem to notice that if you just follow the orders of police man ... even if their actions seem unjust, then things usually turn out better.

I've noticed that if you're in line at a fast food place, or for movie tickets, and some guy cuts in front of you, just go along with with it, things usually turn out better.

:roll:

Not the same thing. If a cop is just giving you a hard time and you decide to do the same, he's just going to give you an even harder time.