cops are pigs

[Stumps]

pffft what rights, people don't have rights these day's

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix
Don't forget about this guy...

bwahahaha...i just spit mt dew all over the place

thats great

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Stumps
pffft what rights, people don't have rights these day's

*Secures the homeland*

 

[cressida]

I've seem to notice that if you just follow the orders of police man ... even if their actions seem unjust, then things usually turn out better.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

Edit: BTW, if your point is that people should know their rights and not allow themselves to be trampled for no reason, I agree wholeheartedly. I just think that very few cops are actually out to do things they know are violations of an individual's rights.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: cressida
I've seem to notice that if you just follow the orders of police man ... even if their actions seem unjust, then things usually turn out better.

I've noticed that if you're in line at a fast food place, or for movie tickets, and some guy cuts in front of you, just go along with with it, things usually turn out better.

:roll:

 

[Slappy00]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Slappy00
i dont think getting out of your car is an "aggressive action" nor is walking side to side behind your car. Being complacent about your rights lets them take a little more every time.

omg the pigs are trying to take away your right to step out of your car!!!!!!

stfu

Thats not the point, your knee-jerk reaction shows you don't understand what I'm talking about. People have certian rights when approached by an officer of the law. The law enfocement community like you to think its ok to do things detrimental to yourself like answering the the loaded question "so why were you speeding", and then when you want a little courtesy like stepping out of the car to talk to a cop instead of having him hover over you like some kind of felony traffic stop its not ok to do so. The law allows you to do things in a traffic stop to protect your rights and not make you feel like a criminal. So how about you have a nice cup of stfu and come back to me when you got something better, possibly without 6 exclamation points at the end of it.

so are you saying the cop doesn't have the right to do what is neccessary to protect himself? stepping out of the car to talk to a cop and dancing around in the middle of the road are two entirely different things...and once again...how difficult is it to stay in your car...go be a cop for a year...let every single person you pull over jump right out of his/her vehicle and mosey around and see how long you last...i understand that you are probably a law abiding citizen who wouldn't attack a police officer, but are you going to say that every single person in the world is also? fight for your rights, but pick and choose your battles...i dont think sitting in your car is all that much to ask, really...

Hey i have no problem siting in my car but i feel you are making an exaggeration by saying "jumping right out of his or her vehicle" . Everything a cop does during a traffic stop is to either intimdate, get you to incriminate yourself or control the situation. I have no problem with a cop protecting his safety but if you are no threat to him then I can do without the "intimidation" part .

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Slappy00

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Slappy00
i dont think getting out of your car is an "aggressive action" nor is walking side to side behind your car. Being complacent about your rights lets them take a little more every time.

omg the pigs are trying to take away your right to step out of your car!!!!!!

stfu

Thats not the point, your knee-jerk reaction shows you don't understand what I'm talking about. People have certian rights when approached by an officer of the law. The law enfocement community like you to think its ok to do things detrimental to yourself like answering the the loaded question "so why were you speeding", and then when you want a little courtesy like stepping out of the car to talk to a cop instead of having him hover over you like some kind of felony traffic stop its not ok to do so. The law allows you to do things in a traffic stop to protect your rights and not make you feel like a criminal. So how about you have a nice cup of stfu and come back to me when you got something better, possibly without 6 exclamation points at the end of it.

so are you saying the cop doesn't have the right to do what is neccessary to protect himself? stepping out of the car to talk to a cop and dancing around in the middle of the road are two entirely different things...and once again...how difficult is it to stay in your car...go be a cop for a year...let every single person you pull over jump right out of his/her vehicle and mosey around and see how long you last...i understand that you are probably a law abiding citizen who wouldn't attack a police officer, but are you going to say that every single person in the world is also? fight for your rights, but pick and choose your battles...i dont think sitting in your car is all that much to ask, really...

Hey i have no problem siting in my car but i feel you are making an exaggeration by saying "jumping right out of his or her vehicle" . Everything a cop does during a traffic stop is to either intimdate, get you to incriminate yourself or control the situation. I have no problem with a cop protecting his safety but if you are no threat to him then I can do without the "intimidation" part .

The police establishment has had many years to hone their tactics. Intimidation works well for most people. Occasionally they'll place nice, trying to get you to say, "Well I was going a little fast." Just remember, a police officer with a ticket book in his hand is not your friend.

 

[quakefiend420]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

now that is bs...abuse of power...sucks how a few corrupt cops have made so many people leary of them...course it also sucks how a few wack jobs have made cops so leary of us...it goes both ways

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

 

[Klandestine]

You have to consider the call they may have just come from. If you had just seen a domestic homicide or something equally horrible your nerves may be edgy. Wanting whatever person who is driving around with a busted headlight to follow the "rules" is not outside of reason. Afterall driving around with a headlight out IS a huge deal, whether you think so or not. It's dangerous as hell, my neighbor's husband died in a collision with a car with a headlight out. It happens a lot and isn't a minor infraction.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: quakefiend420

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

now that is bs...abuse of power...sucks how a few corrupt cops have made so many people leary of them...course it also sucks how a few wack jobs have made cops so leary of us...it goes both ways

I think the average person is best off not trusting the police. Nothing good can come from it, but it's possible that something bad could.

Those police officers throwing peoples things on the side of the road weren't corrupt. They weren't even breaking the rules. They were doing what complacent people allowed them to do. The cost of freedom is vigilance.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

I cannot believe such a stupid fvcking OP has actually spawned a debate.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

 

[Stumps]

freedom pffft what do you want that for?

 

[Klandestine]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

as long as it doesn't infringe on another's right to their freedom

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Stumps
freedom pffft what do you want that for?

It's really an outdated concept. Soma is superior to freedom, right?

 

[Stumps]

hmmm

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: Stumps
hmmm

Huxley.

 

[TheLonelyPhoenix]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

 

[Slappy00]

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

I argee He knew he was getting a ticket just because the cops were fishing for drugs, as most Chicago cops don't pull someone over for that unles they are hoping for a felony somewhere in there. Now I might not agree with his antics but what he did was well within the letter of the law, and the cops tried to convice him it wasn't. Thats what I have a problem with, dont even get me sstarted about the time my mom's house got robbed and the cops didnt do squat about it, even though they were supposed to investigate it. Seems like the law only applies when its most convienient for the law enforcement community.

 

[Nebor]

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor

Originally posted by: TheLonelyPhoenix

Originally posted by: Nebor
I think his point is that we have rights, and you should excercise them. Otherwise they just slowly erode away. For instance, if you were speeding, and you are pulled over, and the police officer asks if he can search your car, do you allow him to? Assuming you have nothing illegal or incriminating whatsoever in your car. Do you consent to a search?

If he insists on searching your car without probable cause, you ask him for his badge number first. Simple as that. You don't have to turn around and get back in his face to make the point. Yes, you have rights, but that doesn't mean you have to get in every cop's face like he's out to destroy the Constitution.

I didn't say to get in his face. I said that everyone has rights, and it's not the job of the police to inform you of those rights. They try to get you to dismiss them away, "Would you mind if I took a quick look in your trunk please?" Most people feel that they must consent to whatever a police officer asks them. They feel intimidated.

I don't think its eroding your rights for him to ask. I've never heard of anyone actually getting their car searched after offering the cop their keys. I've had officers ask to search me or my car before; I always say "Sure, go for it", and they never do. It's simply a tactic to see if you have anything to hide.

Yeah, cops are intimidating, but a "nice guy" doesn't get taken seriously, its part of their job.

I've known dozens of people who had their car searched on the side of the highway. I lived in a small town and the highway running nearby was a major drug running route. As a result the DPS, DEA and Sheriff would regularly pull over anyone they could and ask to search the vehicle. They would literally start throwing everything out of your car onto the grass on the side of the highway. If they didn't find anything, they'd just get in their cars and drive off, leaving all your stuff blowing down the side of the highway.

That's a whole different story. Like I said in my edit above, if you are genuinely getting your indivdual rights trampled, you should stand up for yourself. Turning up your music and dancing in front of your car while the officer is informing you of a broken headlight is not exercising your freedom, however.

Actually, it IS excercising your freedom. There's no law prohibiting it. It's his right not to answer any questions the police officer might ask of him. The law does require that he provide proper identification and proof of insurance however.

I think that's funny. I don't think it would be worth the trouble, but it's still funny.

Freedom is the ability to do whatever you want, whenever you want?

So long as it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. Who was he hurting with his goosestepping?

No one. And its the right of an officer to pull a gun on someone who feels that goosestepping in front of his car during a traffic stop is a good idea. After all, he hasn't hurt anyone by drawing the gun.

I think giving up my right to pole-dance for an officer is a fair exchange for not being threatened with a weapon.

Certainly if the officer feels in danger, he can draw his gun. That's just another power trip for the officer. It's his ass if he shoots an unarmed civilian though. Plus the civilian could say that they suffered severe emotional trauma having a gun pointed at them... Either way, civilians have more rights than police officers. Any police officer will tell you that.