Cop vs. Skateboarders

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik
Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

so how do you handcuff someone without touching them, nik?

and like i said, what the officer did to the kid actually isn't much of an arm lock to begin with.

What business does the officer have assaulting the guy? You don't handcuff someone unless they're an unruly threat while the officer is trying to calm and control the situation or if they're under arrest.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that an officer doesn't have a right to touch someone unless they're a threat to someone or the person is being arrested. And, when they ARE cuffing someone, unless the person is resisting, there's no reason to do anything other than cuff them.

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

survival instincts huh? are you a cave man?

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: jbourne77
Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

Exactly.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

survival instincts huh? are you a cave man?

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

Exactly. The kid was sitting on the ground in complete compliance with all the officers commands up to that point. It isn't a matter of interpretation as to whether the officer used too much force; it's black and white. There are levels of force that are to be used when dealing with suspects, and an officer may not raise the level of force without the suspect raising it first. The kid was compliant, then the officer raised the use of force out of nowhere by two levels to "compliance techniques". This is a no-no. Bottom line, cop was wrong, no doubt about it, and there isn't any other way it could be interpreted.

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Strk
It looks like less of a power trip and more of two assholes (the dude who got arrested and the chick off camera) who need to learn how to shut up. From the sound of it, he was just going to tell them to take off, then wonder boy ran his mouth.

And here are the SF/CA laws

that's exactly what i gathered. some punk thought he'd be cool by fightin the man, but instead go put in a nice little arm lock instead (aikido technique called ikyo.. very commonly taught to LEOs). joint locks are incredibly painful and are an easy way to subdue people if you can do them properly.

Since when does his being a smartass justify physical brutality? There was no need to restrain the guy.

brutality? please, it's not like the cop took a billy club to him, punched him, pistol whipped, him, etc.

i've been in these joint locks at least a hundred times. the second the pressure is let go, you're fine. ikyo actually isn't very much of a joint lock, for that matter, but it's still incredibly useful (or at least the way i was taught)... nikyo, now that's a joint lock. hurts your wrists like a bitch:laugh:

the LEO arrested the dude in a standard way, and if he's not willing to cooperate, the LEO still has to arrest him, which means forcing him into the right position.

Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

lol you know of a new fangled way of arresting and cuffing somebody that cops dont know about?

the kid escalated it not the cop. get over yourself. :roll:

 

[OutHouse]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik
Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

so how do you handcuff someone without touching them, nik?

and like i said, what the officer did to the kid actually isn't much of an arm lock to begin with.

What business does the officer have assaulting the guy? You don't handcuff someone unless they're an unruly threat while the officer is trying to calm and control the situation or if they're under arrest.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that an officer doesn't have a right to touch someone unless they're a threat to someone or the person is being arrested. And, when they ARE cuffing someone, unless the person is resisting, there's no reason to do anything other than cuff them.

EVERYBODY GETS CUFFED WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED YOU MORON!

GOD DAMN LEAVE THE POLICE WORK TO THE COPS. YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY CLUELESS SO STFU ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT.

:|

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk
Skateboarding should not be a crime. That cop has better things to do than hassle skateboarders.

It isn't the cop was wrong.

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Strk
It looks like less of a power trip and more of two assholes (the dude who got arrested and the chick off camera) who need to learn how to shut up. From the sound of it, he was just going to tell them to take off, then wonder boy ran his mouth.

And here are the SF/CA laws

that's exactly what i gathered. some punk thought he'd be cool by fightin the man, but instead go put in a nice little arm lock instead (aikido technique called ikyo.. very commonly taught to LEOs). joint locks are incredibly painful and are an easy way to subdue people if you can do them properly.

Since when does his being a smartass justify physical brutality? There was no need to restrain the guy.

brutality? please, it's not like the cop took a billy club to him, punched him, pistol whipped, him, etc.

i've been in these joint locks at least a hundred times. the second the pressure is let go, you're fine. ikyo actually isn't very much of a joint lock, for that matter, but it's still incredibly useful (or at least the way i was taught)... nikyo, now that's a joint lock. hurts your wrists like a bitch:laugh:

the LEO arrested the dude in a standard way, and if he's not willing to cooperate, the LEO still has to arrest him, which means forcing him into the right position.

Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

lol you know of a new fangled way of arresting and cuffing somebody that cops dont know about?

the kid escalated it not the cop. get over yourself. :roll:

Yes, it's called telling them to stand up and place their hands behind their back.... like they are TRAINED TO DO.

 

[WA261]

Kid was wrong. Period.

 

[surfsatwerk]

Originally posted by: WA261
Kid was wrong. Period.

Um... no. Kids were fine until the cop wanted to feel like a big man.

 

[Fenixgoon]

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

survival instincts huh? are you a cave man?

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

that was NOT an armbar. not even close

this is what the cop did: ikkyo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3gajDjmTw

this is an armbar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKI_aWevF3Y

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik
Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

so how do you handcuff someone without touching them, nik?

and like i said, what the officer did to the kid actually isn't much of an arm lock to begin with.

What business does the officer have assaulting the guy? You don't handcuff someone unless they're under arrest.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that an officer doesn't have a right to touch someone unless they're a threat to someone or the person is being arrested. And, when they ARE cuffing someone, unless the person is resisting, there's no reason to do anything other than cuff them.

EVERYBODY GETS CUFFED WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED YOU MORON!

GOD DAMN LEAVE THE POLICE WORK TO THE COPS. YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY CLUELESS SO STFU ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT.

:|

Reading comprehension fail...

Does that help??

 

[JDawg1536]

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: jbourne77

Originally posted by: CRXican

Originally posted by: sygyzy

Originally posted by: JDawg1536
The kid only resisted when pain was inflicted. Up until that point he was being compliant, which means that the officer CANNOT raise the level of force. He did anyway. And I don't recall police officers being trained to put people in the back of a car by kicking them.

The funny thing about a lot of videos where you see people "resisting" arrest is when they are put in a painful situation. If I was jumped on, with a knee in my back, or if multiple people (officers) were putting me in arm bars and twisting my legs or sitting on top of me, my survival instincts would say I should struggle despite all commands to stay still.

That's something I never understood. It's 2009 and police departments never understand this basic human reaction.

survival instincts huh? are you a cave man?

People that actively resist have already been warned, yelled at, chased. They should know better than to fight. They aren't surviving, they're being asshats.

Except this kid's "warning" was an armbar, and it preceded any so-called "resistance".

that was NOT an armbar. not even close

this is what the cop did: ikkyo - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4E3gajDjmTw

this is an armbar: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKI_aWevF3Y

That was not an ikkyo grip. It's not possible to maintain one and place someones hand behind their back. And depending on how much force is applied and level of pain tolerance, could be just as if not more painful. Are you just criticizing the verbiage or saying that an armbar hurts more? There's more than one type of "armbar" by the way.

 

[Oceandevi]

Originally posted by: scott916
Is it REALLY illegal to skateboard anywhere in SF county?

If you make skateboards illegal, only criminals will skate.

 

[gururu2]

punk kids have no respect for civil servants that would give their lives to protect them from real danger. not enough parents impress this upon their kids.

 

[WA261]

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: WA261
Kid was wrong. Period.

Um... no. Kids were fine until the cop wanted to feel like a big man.

Um... no. Kids fucked around on purpose...why in the hell do you think they had a hidden cam?


If you live there and you skate...YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T.

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS


retarded post is retarded

Will have to say you win tard award for the day them.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: WA261
Kid was wrong. Period.

retarded post is retarded

 

[Phoenix86]

Cop reacted to being called a dick, plain and simple. Watch the video.

Cops are -supposed- to NOT react to profanity. It's perfectly legal to call a cop a dick.

His response was to write a ticket, arm bar him and threaten to break it.

For a TICKET. Sure the skater was in the wrong, we have ALL committed misdemeanors and NONE of us deserve that kind of treatment by police, esp for such a simple crime. Profanity does not warrant additional reaction by LEO.

Power trip.

 

[Phoenix86]

Originally posted by: FP
I can't believe the people who think the cop was in the wrong.

The kids were BREAKING THE LAW... The cop tried to give them a BREAK but the kids decided to mouth off so he did job and arrested one and cited the others.

How else is he supposed to handcuff the kid? It is pretty obvious he tried to resist a bit. The cop didn't use excessive force.

I was actually quite surprised how well spoken the officer was.

See even you noticed the reason for the ticket, it wasn't BREAKING THE LAW, it was the kid mouthing off (clearly he was). Mouthing off, giving a cop the bird, or telling him he can go fuck his dead grandmother, while terribly vile, is perfectly LEGAL.

So I ask, why did the cop change his handling when the only thing that changed was additional LEGAL actions.

Hell this type of free speech is specifically allowed for because a cop is a gov't. official.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: WA261

Originally posted by: surfsatwerk

Originally posted by: WA261
Kid was wrong. Period.

Um... no. Kids were fine until the cop wanted to feel like a big man.

Um... no. Kids fucked around on purpose...why in the hell do you think they had a hidden cam?


If you live there and you skate...YOU KNOW WHERE YOU CAN AND CAN'T.

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS


retarded post is retarded

Will have to say you win tard award for the day them.

You fail to understand this is not about what the kids were doing prior to the video, but about what the cop was doing after the kid on the ground said he was pissed off because the cop was acting like a dick, which is a protected right whether you see it that way or not. So fail some more.

 

[thescreensavers]

Who ever made that video sucks, I can hardly read the text.

 

[Phoenix86]

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Evelyn_Beatrice_Hall

 

[Chaotic42]

Why would they have a camera running?

Anyway, the cop was a little rough, but he seemed pretty calm. There's no telling what else happened, since the guy's friends can edit the video however they want.

Citizen M2 needs to settle down.

 

[Nik]

Originally posted by: Citrix

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: Fenixgoon

Originally posted by: Nik
Who said anything about levels of pain or tollerance? Nobody did anything in that video to warrant the officer touching them.

Police escalation is ridiculously out of hand.

so how do you handcuff someone without touching them, nik?

and like i said, what the officer did to the kid actually isn't much of an arm lock to begin with.

What business does the officer have assaulting the guy? You don't handcuff someone unless they're an unruly threat while the officer is trying to calm and control the situation or if they're under arrest.

I'm one of those that firmly believes that an officer doesn't have a right to touch someone unless they're a threat to someone or the person is being arrested. And, when they ARE cuffing someone, unless the person is resisting, there's no reason to do anything other than cuff them.

EVERYBODY GETS CUFFED WHEN THEY GET ARRESTED YOU MORON!

GOD DAMN LEAVE THE POLICE WORK TO THE COPS. YOU ARE COMPLETELY AND UTTERLY CLUELESS SO STFU ABOUT WHAT YOU DONT KNOW SHIT ABOUT.

:|

Do you realize just how much of a retard you are?

 

[DrPizza]

Originally posted by: Nik

Originally posted by: NaOH
I don't really see how the cop is in the wrong. He probably came there just to tell them to go away.

Ya, ignore the rape and murder and robbery going on every day! Get those goddamn skateboarding menaces!

Ummmm, rape, murder, and robbery are not being ignored. I'm always happy when the police take action against things such as this that impact upon the quality of my life. I don't care if they're riding down the street or riding down the sidewalk. I don't care if they're riding around in an empty parking lot. And, I don't think most other people care either. But, as soon as they start destroying property, which they do, they are affecting the rest of us. Once enough of them are destroying property, then the solution is very simple - simply outlaw skateboarding. Sorry to the skateboarders who aren't infringing on the rights of others, but a large enough number of the people engaged in that activity have ruined it for the rest of them.

And, Nik, when you stop to think about it, as soon as it's illegal, assuming the number of people engaging in vandalism while riding drops (and with enough cops doing exactly what that cop did - efficiently dealing with one group), it'll free up more officers long term who don't have to answer as many calls about vandalism.