Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom

[Corn]

Public school classrooms are not the place for political ideology, any ideology, to be taught.

It is if you're a liberal.

I don't mind teaching political ideology in schools, as long as it's balanced by all sides of the spectrum. What do you think the chances of that happening is though?.....

 

[sandorski]

Indoctrination? No one's proved this or offered any compelling evidence, a few pictures on the wall is meaningless. Some here want the teacher to stick to dates/events, that certainly is part of a History/Social Studies class, but it is not the only part. As the teacher stated, he is trying to teach "Critical Thinking", something that is also part of a History/Social Studies class.

 

[Tripleshot]

This cop should be fired for abuse of his authority. He is entitled to his opinion, and could have taken issue at a PTA meeting, if his children where whom he wanted to protect from disenting opinions. When cops take their uniform, badge and gun as a tool for personal gain, that is abuse. Fire the scum bag cop and leave freedom of speach in the classroom way the hell alone. This is political grandstanding for the sake of engendering public outrage at the expense of this teacher. It is disgraceful. Anyone endorsing the lovely human cop is not worthy to be an American. What that cop did is what communists do in Red China or the Old USSR.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
This cop should be fired for abuse of his authority. He is entitled to his opinion, and could have taken issue at a PTA meeting, if his children where whom he wanted to protect from disenting opinions. When cops take their uniform, badge and gun as a tool for personal gain, that is abuse. Fire the scum bag cop and leave freedom of speach in the classroom way the hell alone. This is political grandstanding for the sake of engendering public outrage at the expense of this teacher. It is disgraceful. Anyone endorsing the lovely human cop is not worthy to be an American. What that cop did is what communists do in Red China or the Old USSR.

Kinda like how they indoctrinate the children in Red China or the former USSR?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Tripleshot
This cop should be fired for abuse of his authority. He is entitled to his opinion, and could have taken issue at a PTA meeting, if his children where whom he wanted to protect from disenting opinions. When cops take their uniform, badge and gun as a tool for personal gain, that is abuse. Fire the scum bag cop and leave freedom of speach in the classroom way the hell alone. This is political grandstanding for the sake of engendering public outrage at the expense of this teacher. It is disgraceful. Anyone endorsing the lovely human cop is not worthy to be an American. What that cop did is what communists do in Red China or the Old USSR.

Though I'd choose different wording( ) I must agree with your opinion of the cop and his abuse.

 

[Moonbeam]

I read the article, I read the posts. Our conservative devenders of the cops here are amazingly scary. The stuff said and the information in the article were so far apart as to be shocking. What happened to the ability to think dispasionately. I'm going down th the elementary school tomorrow and shoot the history teacher. The classrooms, full of pyramids and mummy's. I'll be damned if I as a great American am going to let Pharaoh take over. God damned Pharaohists, they've invected the school system. I'm going to wet my pants.

 

[razor2025]

I don't believe this teacher EVER gave a fair chance to the kids if they wanted to go against him. Think about it... even if they did form an argument against his political views, he has 20+ of experience in the subject he's teaching and could take down the student's argument in no time. Unless the student who went against him was extremely talented in speech and debate, I doubt that kid had ANY chance in taking down the teacher's view. Not to mention the kids who were against his political views might get retribution through their grades. Take Shinerblaker's professor for example, if the teacher didn't like the student's viewpoint, he could've torn up (not literally) the kid's paper and gave him a horrible grade. The teacher could then come up with lame excuse and pitiful mistakes in the paper to backup his claim if he was confronted with why he had failed the kid.

Either way, I applaud the officer for his initiative in taking the picture. However, I do disagree in his method of going into the school at night. School system today have serious flaws in them. If it doesn't improve soon, it could have serious adverse effect to our kids.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: razor2025
I don't believe this teacher EVER gave a fair chance to the kids if they wanted to go against him. Think about it... even if they did form an argument against his political views, he has 20+ of experience in the subject he's teaching and could take down the student's argument in no time. Unless the student who went against him was extremely talented in speech and debate, I doubt that kid had ANY chance in taking down the teacher's view. Not to mention the kids who were against his political views might get retribution through their grades. Take Shinerblaker's professor for example, if the teacher didn't like the student's viewpoint, he could've torn up (not literally) the kid's paper and gave him a horrible grade. The teacher could then come up with lame excuse and pitiful mistakes in the paper to backup his claim if he was confronted with why he had failed the kid.

Either way, I applaud the officer for his initiative in taking the picture. However, I do disagree in his method of going into the school at night. School system today have serious flaws in them. If it doesn't improve soon, it could have serious adverse effect to our kids.

How do you know if the teacher didn't give students a fair chance? I'll agree that the teacher likely has a bullet proof defence of his position(at least compared to what his students could offer), but that doesn't mean the teacher was whacking the students over the head with it. We don't even know whether the teacher fully discusses his view to his class, perhaps his views are well known outside of class, but not spoken of much within class? Perhaps the closest he comes to expounding his view in class is by poking holes in students arguements, maybe it's not even very apparent then, he may poke holes in everyone's arguements equally.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: razor2025
I don't believe this teacher EVER gave a fair chance to the kids if they wanted to go against him. Think about it... even if they did form an argument against his political views, he has 20+ of experience in the subject he's teaching and could take down the student's argument in no time. Unless the student who went against him was extremely talented in speech and debate, I doubt that kid had ANY chance in taking down the teacher's view. Not to mention the kids who were against his political views might get retribution through their grades. Take Shinerblaker's professor for example, if the teacher didn't like the student's viewpoint, he could've torn up (not literally) the kid's paper and gave him a horrible grade. The teacher could then come up with lame excuse and pitiful mistakes in the paper to backup his claim if he was confronted with why he had failed the kid.

Either way, I applaud the officer for his initiative in taking the picture. However, I do disagree in his method of going into the school at night. School system today have serious flaws in them. If it doesn't improve soon, it could have serious adverse effect to our kids.

How do you know if the teacher didn't give students a fair chance? I'll agree that the teacher likely has a bullet proof defence of his position(at least compared to what his students could offer), but that doesn't mean the teacher was whacking the students over the head with it. We don't even know whether the teacher fully discusses his view to his class, perhaps his views are well known outside of class, but not spoken of much within class? Perhaps the closest he comes to expounding his view in class is by poking holes in students arguements, maybe it's not even very apparent then, he may poke holes in everyone's arguements equally.

Sure, we don't know exactly what went on in class or how it was presented but by looking at 2 of the bumper stickers on his door I'd say his agenda was quite clear. I'm sure "regime change" and "Impeach Bush" were just up there to initiate open and fair discussion

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

I'm sure and you can tell by and it's obvious that and anybody can see from just the mere context that and don't you just know and why you don't even need words to prove....

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Moonbeam
I'm sure and you can tell by and it's obvious that and anybody can see from just the mere context that and don't you just know and why you don't even need words to prove....

seems like a double edged sword there moony

CkG

 

[Moonbeam]

Not worried what it sounds like CAD, just let me know when you think it happens. Four out of five dentists claim I don't do it. I'm sure they can't be wrong. The thing I find interesting is that I grew up in perfectly American schools and none of them ever affected me.

 

[OS]

Originally posted by: ElFenix

kids are impressionable

I think that's the issue I have, when I was in HS several years ago several of my teachers routinely passed off affirmative action as something that was *right* and needed. Thankfully this was by my senior year and I could somewhat think for myself, but I can see how this is the beginning of a brainwashing at earlier grades.

As for HS being "public", it's kind of not. Outsiders can't really walk around HS campuses without the admin oking it, they can ask you to leave and if you don't, they call the police. True there's no privacy, but that's not the same as allowing people to break into locked classrooms at night. There's a good chance the cop might have done something illegal.

 

[przero]

Moonbeam, sandorski, et.al - Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone?

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: przero
Moonbeam, sandorski, et.al - Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone?

Nobody is going to answer that this one because this happened rather recently where a teacher got chastised for doing so. He may have even lost his job, I can't remember. It is a good question though.

What if he was teaching about the Native Americans and told the class that even though we slaughtered them and rounded them up and threw them out of their lands, it was because in my opinion God wanted us to convert them and take them from their savage ways.

What if he was teaching that schools became integrated, but in his opinion it was to the detriment of both blacks and whites. That they cannot learn together at the same pace or in the same environment.

What if he was teaching that Evolution is the science of how man came to be, but in his opinion it was all a sham and a pseudoscience.

What if it was teaching that homosexuals were fighting for their rights to marry, but it was his opinion that they were disgusting anti-family psychotics that should be institutionalized.

What if he was teaching that Clinton was impeached but not removed from office, but in his opinion he was the worst president that we've ever had.

Where do you draw the line?

Would the same people come to this man's defence. I hope not, and I know I wouldn't.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: przero
Moonbeam, sandorski, et.al - Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone?

That's a good question, although not quite the same. Now if this teacher advocated(still not sure if any advocating was actually happening, or to which degree) armed uprising against the Bush RegimeD Administration), then things would be a lot different. At the most it appears that he doesn't pay hommage to Bush, a dastardly crime in this age to be sure, but he's hardly(assuming advocation)undermining anything.

He certainly is not the Debil, he does have a, "God bless our troops" banner.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
good riddance. The teachers are paid to educate not indoctrinate.


how can you be a history teacher and a pacifist? you remieve the war and conflict from history books and you have about 12 pages left.....with pictures.....in large print...

Try again, chap. A pacifist doesn't pretend that war doesn't exist, he only stands against it on moral grounds. Your argument is like swiss cheese.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

There's nothing wrong with that unless you want history class to consist of only blindly learning facts

That's exactly what I want my history class to consist of. At least to the extent that is possible with humans involved. Posting Bush pictures with "little idiot boy king" captions does nothing to add to the history lesson and is clearly forcing opinion on students.

The best teachers are the ones who engage their students in discussion, not the ones who make them recite facts. No, if this guy was forcing his views on the kids, I don't agree with that either, but voal and opinionated discussion among teachers/students is one of the best ways for kids (who, for the most part, are generally uninterested in history) to learn.

 

[konichiwa]

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: bolinger
Unfortunately, if this teacher was promoting a Pro-War agenda, we would have never heard about it because the news shys away from such things.

And I'm sure Shiner, Nitemare, and their Pro-War posse wouldn't have cared half as much about if a teacher was "indoctrinating" his students, as long as it matched their agenda.

The job of a teacher is to teach, not indoctrinate. I don't care what the agenda is, pushing it on students is wrong. Teachers need to stick to teaching. You know....reading, writing, arithmetic, etc, etc, etc.... Public school classrooms are not the place for political ideology, any ideology, to be taught.

Then how does the Pledge of Allegiance fit into the classroom? I'd bet you're for kids reciting that.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: bolinger
Unfortunately, if this teacher was promoting a Pro-War agenda, we would have never heard about it because the news shys away from such things.

And I'm sure Shiner, Nitemare, and their Pro-War posse wouldn't have cared half as much about if a teacher was "indoctrinating" his students, as long as it matched their agenda.

The job of a teacher is to teach, not indoctrinate. I don't care what the agenda is, pushing it on students is wrong. Teachers need to stick to teaching. You know....reading, writing, arithmetic, etc, etc, etc.... Public school classrooms are not the place for political ideology, any ideology, to be taught.

Then how does the Pledge of Allegiance fit into the classroom? I'd bet you're for kids reciting that.

How is the Pledge a political ideology? It's a pledge of allegiance to the county not one party/view or the other.

 

[shiner]

Damn double posts

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

There's nothing wrong with that unless you want history class to consist of only blindly learning facts

That's exactly what I want my history class to consist of. At least to the extent that is possible with humans involved. Posting Bush pictures with "little idiot boy king" captions does nothing to add to the history lesson and is clearly forcing opinion on students.

The best teachers are the ones who engage their students in discussion, not the ones who make them recite facts. No, if this guy was forcing his views on the kids, I don't agree with that either, but voal and opinionated discussion among teachers/students is one of the best ways for kids (who, for the most part, are generally uninterested in history) to learn.

I don't know what you would know about a 'good teacher'. It's obvious you've never met one. It is also fairly obvious that this "teacher" was more interested in forwarding his own agenda than having any sort of discussion.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

Originally posted by: konichiwa

Originally posted by: Ultra Quiet

There's nothing wrong with that unless you want history class to consist of only blindly learning facts

That's exactly what I want my history class to consist of. At least to the extent that is possible with humans involved. Posting Bush pictures with "little idiot boy king" captions does nothing to add to the history lesson and is clearly forcing opinion on students.

The best teachers are the ones who engage their students in discussion, not the ones who make them recite facts. No, if this guy was forcing his views on the kids, I don't agree with that either, but voal and opinionated discussion among teachers/students is one of the best ways for kids (who, for the most part, are generally uninterested in history) to learn.

I don't know what you would know about a 'good teacher'. It's obvious you've never met one. It is also fairly obvious that this "teacher" was more interested in forwarding his own agenda than having any sort of discussion.

Obvious? You can tell that by a few pictures? Do we evn know whether the teacher has put up all these things? Could some of the content be that of students?

 

[przero]

sandorski - I ask again. "Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone? ' You never answered. Would that be o.k. with you?

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: przero
sandorski - I ask again. "Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone? ' You never answered. Would that be o.k. with you?

Well, I still don't think the question you ask is comparable, but to amuse you: If the issue of Abortion was being discussed, sure, why not post pictures of partial birth abortion. It certainly pertains to the issue, you can't ignore different aspects of an issue simply because they are controversial or ugly.