Cop takes 'midnight photos' of teacher's classroom

[308nato]

Originally posted by: Windi

Your telling me to shut the fvck up? I can't express my opinion or thoughts on the topic? That doesn't sound to fair. From what he allows to be posted on his classroom walls...I would still place that bet and I'll wave my flag while doing it.

Of course you're allowed to voice your opinion, maybe the STFU was a bit too harsh.
But I still don't see how he is forcing his opinion on the students. Hell, he _wants_ his students to critize him.

Sounded good for the news story anyway since he is now officially no longer under the radar.

I wonder how many of his students were involved in calling the female National Guard troop "babykiller" and then pelting her with stones while she tried to buy some gas a few weeks ago.

I am sure that was just an extra credit assignment.

 

[ElFenix]

theres a difference between encouraging students to question what they are told and doing this:

Treece said that goes for his detractors, some of whom are using the controversy over a six-word sentence ? ?All hail the idiot boy king? ? that he posted on a bulletin board next to a picture of President Bush

 

[Spyro]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
history is things that have happened not current events and US bashing....that would be down the hall...French class

Ehhh???? You mean that learning french is anti-USA..... Well in that case I guess I'm in big trouble......

 

[Windi]

and of course he didn't indoctrinate you nor your classmates, right?

Very probably not. How does a teacher voicing his opinion, especially in a history or political science class, equal indoctricating the students? It doesn't.
The students need to be able to listen to peoples opinion, even if they completely disagree with it. It's a part of life.

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: Windi

and of course he didn't indoctrinate you nor your classmates, right?

Very probably not. How does a teacher voicing his opinion, especially in a history or political science class, equal indoctricating the students? It doesn't.
The students need to be able to listen to peoples opinion, even if they completely disagree with it. It's a part of life.

Very true but it is a teachers job to teach. If we are going to reassign our teachers as "discussion coordinators" or "opinion moderators" or something then this guy might of have been doing his job. Teachers should leave their opinions out of history. History should be taught as facts. His opinion is not of historical significance. The opinions of the students should be respected and discussed, but not his. He is a teacher not an orator or philosopher or politician, he is there to pass on information. Let the kids discuss all they want, and teach them to respect each others opinions, but when an adult in power (teacher) is teaching his opinion, he becomes a mouthpiece for all of his biases. Kids can think for themselves no doubt, but when their teacher's views are obvious, how is the conservative kid in class going to feel answering certain questions with his opinion when he knows that the teacher feels he is wrong?

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Windi

and of course he didn't indoctrinate you nor your classmates, right?

Very probably not. How does a teacher voicing his opinion, especially in a history or political science class, equal indoctricating the students? It doesn't.
The students need to be able to listen to peoples opinion, even if they completely disagree with it. It's a part of life.

kids are impressionable

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: ConclamoLudus

Originally posted by: Windi

and of course he didn't indoctrinate you nor your classmates, right?

Very probably not. How does a teacher voicing his opinion, especially in a history or political science class, equal indoctricating the students? It doesn't.
The students need to be able to listen to peoples opinion, even if they completely disagree with it. It's a part of life.

Very true but it is a teachers job to teach. If we are going to reassign our teachers as "discussion coordinators" or "opinion moderators" or something then this guy might of have been doing his job. Teachers should leave their opinions out of history. History should be taught as facts. His opinion is not of historical significance. The opinions of the students should be respected and discussed, but not his. He is a teacher not an orator or philosopher or politician, he is there to pass on information. Let the kids discuss all they want, and teach them to respect each others opinions, but when an adult in power (teacher) is teaching his opinion, he becomes a mouthpiece for all of his biases. Kids can think for themselves no doubt, but when their teacher's views are obvious, how is the conservative kid in class going to feel answering certain questions with his opinion when he knows that the teacher feels he is wrong?

Bingo

 

[sandorski]

Hmm, what's this, a gestapo wannabe?

 

[przero]

Windi - Suppose he was opining that abortion was totally wrong and posted pictures of partial birth abortions. would you be so quick to defend him? Anyone?

 

[IGBT]

We need a hell of a lot more of this..get the parents in their with cameras. Its called community involvement. Find out what these wack job "teachers" are up to.

 

[przero]

Good idea. Called accountability.

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: shinerburke

Originally posted by: Nitemare
good riddance. The teachers are paid to educate not indoctrinate.


how can you be a history teacher and a pacifist? you remieve the war and conflict from history books and you have about 12 pages left.....with pictures.....in large print...

That's not surprising. They don't really teach history anymore. Most history texts have been so watered down to keep from offending anyone that it's hard to tell what really happened. I have a BA & MA in History and nothing pisses me off more than some of the so called history teachers/professors that I have had to deal with.

Try getting American government taught to you from a leftish socialist

As opposed to a right-wing fascist?

 

[Mean MrMustard]

This whole thing is modern day McCarthyism at its finest. Plain and simple.

 

[Vadatajs]

Originally posted by: shinerburke. I have a BA & MA in History and nothing pisses me off more than some of the so called history teachers/professors that I have had to deal with.

could've fooled me

 

[cpumaster]

Originally posted by: CPA

Originally posted by: sMiLeYz
My political science professor is a big time leftist and very much opposed the Bush administration, most of our classes did agree with him though.

and of course he didn't indoctrinate you nor your classmates, right?

Are you sure you're not or never being indoctrinate by the ultra consrvative right wing?
There is so thin line between indoctrinate and teaching that sometimes it becomes blurry, but one test will probably show the difference, did he give a bad grade for students who against his view or threatened to? if not, if he encourage other view (which the article print so), then he's just doing his job as teacher.

Now about the policeman method, someone said and I quote:

Were Motts methods wrong. Yes. Invasion of privacy? Hardly

if his method is wrong, what do you call that? IMO invasion of privacy argumant has basis, didn't the congress propose this invasion of privacy bill where it's against the law to take picture of someone or something wihtout permission, no matter it's public or private area, I think it's against the papparazi, right after the death of Diana, but could be applied in this case...
I'm not sure if the bill has become the law or not...

 

[rudder]

Originally posted by: tec699
Guess what Motts. This is A-M-E-R-I-C-A and if you don't like it then leave. An educator has a right to look at both view points and if you don't agree then you can hit the high horse. Educators shouldn't have to worry about what other people may think, because someone may oppose their viewpoint.

Thats just it, his political idealogy is just a viewpoint and he should not push his agenda on the students. He his a history teacher. He IS PAID to teach the school designated cirriculum. He is NOT PAID to teach his viewpoint. He is free to discuss his viewpoints in class but it should end there.

How would you feel if your child was in his class and a teacher was praising the benefits of satanism. Would you just accept that this is America and the teacher is free to follow whatever agenda he pleases? How would you feel is your child then received a failing grade because he questioned the teacher?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Because in his view the Constitutional Convention was nothing more than an early day KKK rally where powerful white men met and drafted laws designed to keep "the black man in a perpetual state of poverty"(his quote not mine) and to "continue the goals of the crusades in the New World.

I guess the 3/5 clause was designed to codify the black man's rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

It would be patently false to say the Constitutional Convention was nothing more than an early day KKK rally . . . but it was indeed a collection of powerful white men who drafted a framework CODIFYING the black race as property. Without subsequent amendments particularly 13th/14th "the black man would have been legally confined to a perpetual state of poverty/enslavement".

Ultra Quiet is certainly correct that the only thing you can teach of history is dates and events. One learns history by gaining an understanding of the broader context. You cannot teach such an understanding. At best you can encourage inquisitive minds to explore. Personally, I think All hail the idiot boy king is appropriate b/c of the broad context from 1988-2000 which produced our 43rd President but in the absence of providing such context for his students . . . it is inappropriate for the teacher to display such a sentiment.

Although they delivered far less than they promised . . . Castro, Ho Chi Mihn, Marx, and Engels were a response to that which preceded or co-existed. Castro did not succeed as an autocrat with narrow support and a reign of terror . . . that would be the Sandinistas, Pinochet, Noreiga, Marcos, Sudharto, and Saddam. If history starts with 1962 Castro sux. If history starts anytime before it . . . Castro is a flawed leader who deposed a corrupt, despotic regime with a populist movement which subsequently became a somewhat less corrupt, despotic regime.

 

[AlienCraft]

Originally posted by: tec699

And the case would be thrown right out of court. The classroom is not private. Not only does he share it with another teacher, it's also in a public building and he can expect no privacy there. It's the whole principal that locker searches are based on

Opps... your right. I should have thought it over a bit before I hastly posted my message.

Locker searches are made under Warrant and for items such as drugs or weapons.
I have never heard of a search for unpopular political ideaology at least in the US.
The fact that an OFFICER OF THE COURT made a late night visit while in uniform, without benefit of warrant, without any involvement by the administration brings the complaintant under scrutiny , in my opinion.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: AlienCraft

Originally posted by: tec699

And the case would be thrown right out of court. The classroom is not private. Not only does he share it with another teacher, it's also in a public building and he can expect no privacy there. It's the whole principal that locker searches are based on

Opps... your right. I should have thought it over a bit before I hastly posted my message.

Locker searches are made under Warrant and for items such as drugs or weapons.
I have never heard of a search for unpopular political ideaology at least in the US.
The fact that an OFFICER OF THE COURT made a late night visit while in uniform, without benefit of warrant, without any involvement by the administration brings the complaintant under scrutiny , in my opinion.

Umm - Locker searches do not require a warrant

Now as to the Cop- should he have done it on his own "off the clock" time instead of while on break? yup. But it still shouldn't switch the focus of this - that a teacher was blatantly pushing his own political agenda. I know you can't "teach" without a bit of bias but what he is doing is wrong in my opinion. Oh and all "cops" whether on duty or not are still "officers of the court". I'll give you the uniform thing(as in I don't think he should have gone in wearing it)

Got some pictures

A concerned Barre, VT resident e-mailed us these exclusive photos from inside the classroom and school in question - Spaulding High.-RushLimbaugh.com

I've put them on my own server instead of directly linking to rush's website.

http://www.sbtechpros.com/door.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/door2.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/projects.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/projects2.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/projects3.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/projects4.jpg
http://www.sbtechpros.com/ducttape.jpg

I don't know if these are actually the ones the guy took or if someone else also has now taken some pictures of the classroom.

CkG

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Quality pictures . . . let's pretend Democrats invented the term "Regime Change" and Gore voters in FL could read small print. Don't you think the GOP would have co-opted the term and said the flagging economy and susceptibility to terrorism exemplified a US need for "Regime Change?"

As for the last pix . . . Bush did lie about supporting the IAEA. El Baradei not only failed to confirm Bush/Blair/Powell claims he even provided direct contradiction (including evidence that part of the US/UK presentation was a clear forgery - African sourced uranium . . . granted we already knew it).

I don't think Bush lied about tax cuts helping the poor. He's never said it to my knowledge.

Compassionate conservatism is more compatible with Lincoln, Teddy, Nixon when he wasn't acutely paranoid, and arguably GHW Bush. There's very little compassion in Ws domestic OR foreign policy.

As for being a cowar . . . probably overstated. Smallpox booster wasn't a great leap of faith b/c he tolerated his childhood vaccination. Landing on the carrier was somewhat risky but it's not like Bush was flying. Bush could have gone to grad school (somebody would have let him in) instead of serving in the Guard.

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Quality pictures . . . let's pretend Democrats invented the term "Regime Change" and Gore voters in FL could read small print. Don't you think the GOP would have co-opted the term and said the flagging economy and susceptibility to terrorism exemplified a US need for "Regime Change?"

As for the last pix . . . Bush did lie about supporting the IAEA. El Baradei not only failed to confirm Bush/Blair/Powell claims he even provided direct contradiction (including evidence that part of the US/UK presentation was a clear forgery - African sourced uranium . . . granted we already knew it).

I don't think Bush lied about tax cuts helping the poor. He's never said it to my knowledge.

Compassionate conservatism is more compatible with Lincoln, Teddy, Nixon when he wasn't acutely paranoid, and arguably GHW Bush. There's very little compassion in Ws domestic OR foreign policy.

As for being a cowar . . . probably overstated. Smallpox booster wasn't a great leap of faith b/c he tolerated his childhood vaccination. Landing on the carrier was somewhat risky but it's not like Bush was flying. Bush could have gone to grad school (somebody would have let him in) instead of serving in the Guard.

Not really the point. The point is that stuff has no place in a public school classroom. From the pics, especially of the door, it's pretty plain to see that the man was pushing an agenda.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Well from the article, the teacher clearly states that he has a personal perspective but challenges his students to develop and defend their own. The only people that can attest to the veracity of his statements are his students. This man is incredibly bold b/c he's willing (at least according to the article) to acknowledge his personal beliefs influence his presentation of information. The greatest benefit any student could garner from this man's class is the ability to critically evaluate the teacher's version of history against other sources.

In a culture awash with nationalism/patriotism, it is truly this teacher that provides an opportunity for critical analysis of events. We are housing "enemy combatants" on a military base in Cuba. We do not occupy that land by the consent of the people of Cuba or their unelected leader . . . we hold it b/c they don't have the military means to make us leave. The typical American doesn't know the history of Guantanamo and our relationship with Cuba. Ignorance of history allows this blatant disregard for national sovereignty to continue . . . that plus Cuba doesn't have any weapons.

This cop/veteran wouldn't be taking pictures if the classroom was decorated with memorials to great US victories such as the triumph over Panama, Grenada, and Gulf War- the Sequel. Exhortations from Limbaugh about how this country is the greatest the world has ever known are considered truth . . . although such a claim (for a historian) would require knowledge of every country to ever exist. For the uncritical twit, it confirms their deepest held beliefs . . .

At least there is one teacher willing to expose his students to factual, pertinent history so they can judge for themselves. Of course, I'm assuming this teacher is using facts not propaganda . . . and hopefully teaching his students how to do the same.

 

[bolinger]

Unfortunately, if this teacher was promoting a Pro-War agenda, we would have never heard about it because the news shys away from such things.

And I'm sure Shiner, Nitemare, and their Pro-War posse wouldn't have cared half as much about if a teacher was "indoctrinating" his students, as long as it matched their agenda.

 

[Corn]

This cop/veteran wouldn't be taking pictures if the classroom was decorated with memorials to great US victories such as the triumph over Panama, Grenada, and Gulf War- the Sequel.

One wonders how many classrooms that fit this description are actually out there.

Of course this cop wouldn't, but then sMiLeYz would......

 

[shiner]

Originally posted by: bolinger
Unfortunately, if this teacher was promoting a Pro-War agenda, we would have never heard about it because the news shys away from such things.

And I'm sure Shiner, Nitemare, and their Pro-War posse wouldn't have cared half as much about if a teacher was "indoctrinating" his students, as long as it matched their agenda.

The job of a teacher is to teach, not indoctrinate. I don't care what the agenda is, pushing it on students is wrong. Teachers need to stick to teaching. You know....reading, writing, arithmetic, etc, etc, etc.... Public school classrooms are not the place for political ideology, any ideology, to be taught.