Cop on tape: "I'm going to make stuff up"

[Kantastic]

bureaucracy is like a septic tank — all the really big shits float to the top

If you had made that one up, I'd have thought you were clever. Tough I know better.

 

[H54]

God I hate the police even more...

 

[QueBert]

That may be true in your town, I guess.

Would black people in a suit be messed with as much as a black person in gang attire?

MotionMan

Would be true in any town, racial profiling only applies to black people. Think about it, if a black person robs a store, cops will pull over damn near every black person they come across. White people rob stores all the time, yet I've never been pulled over once. And when I said black people get pulled over and questioned, I'm not referring to ones who fit the description, I mean random black people get pulled over "just incase" Most of which don't even come a tiny bit close to fitting the description. If black people in gang attire get fucked with, it's only right that white people in gang attire get fucked with too. But since they don't, to me that means the gang attire isn't the real reason they're being fucked with? And FYI: baggy jeans aren't gang attire, it's fashion. Gang members wear rags and caps. I bought my last pair of baggy jeans at Nordstroms, I somehow don't see that as being a store where you buy gang clothing.

To recap:

black person in thug attire - fucked
black person in a suit - possibly fucked, definitely more fucked than white person in gang attire.
white person in thug attire - safe
white person in suit - safe

 

[HamburgerBoy]

"Franklins jeans are allowed to fall to his knees after his shoes are taken away" LOL yeah..that is what was holding them up. Also i love how they are all thugged out in the video but on the interviews its button up shirts and sweater vests.

What the cop did was wrong, but i love how they present the info in the news story lol

At 2:19 his jeans are clearly shown to not be at his knees, during arrest.

EDIT: This thread is lol-worthy. I guess rape victims should have been wearing nun clothing too.

 

[Kantastic]

black person in thug attire - fucked
black person in a suit - possibly fucked, definitely more fucked than white person in gang attire.
white person in thug attire - safe
white person in suit - safe

Thank ****ing god I'm Asian. The only drug I'll ever be suspected of carrying is my asthma medication (if I had asthma).

 

[FallenHero]

This is an issue? If you want to get somewhere in life, don't jerk off through high school, end up in community college, jerk off through that too, and resort to working as a decriminalized thuga**m*therf*cker. Cops are nothing but a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. Those who grasp onto the naive belief that cops are actually productive members of society are probably the same people who support the perpetual wars in the middle east. Cops are inherently psychologically flawed, and using the lack of "fruition" as an excuse for their scumbag behavior is as flawed as claiming a dog ate a student's homework.

As for the "more serious" consequences of "their actions", 3 months of office duty, that'll teach'em.

I love teenage rants. Please, tell me more about life. Your wisdom is astounding.

 

[LiuKangBakinPie]

If you had made that one up, I'd have thought you were clever. Tough I know better.

If you struggle to get floaters check your diet

 

[shortylickens]

This is an issue? If you want to get somewhere in life, don't jerk off through high school, end up in community college, jerk off through that too, and resort to working as a decriminalized thuga**m*therf*cker. Cops are nothing but a complete waste of taxpayer dollars. Those who grasp onto the naive belief that cops are actually productive members of society are probably the same people who support the perpetual wars in the middle east. Cops are inherently psychologically flawed, and using the lack of "fruition" as an excuse for their scumbag behavior is as flawed as claiming a dog ate a student's homework.

As for the "more serious" consequences of "their actions", 3 months of office duty, that'll teach'em.

Wow!

You really know so much about life and the world dont you?

 

[blurredvision]

I laughed when the guy said, "I thought I was going to die.", and then shortly thereafter the reporter talked about how all they had from the night was a couple of bruises on their face. Those two guys are selling it HARD for that lawsuit.

 

[cherrytwist]

We live in a corrupt society. Got it. I'm gonna go triple my salary now.

 

[hiromizu]

They look like well educated indivisuals that was coming back from school these cops are messed up and they are going to get when they receive!

 

[ShawnD1]

That may be true in your town, I guess.

Would black people in a suit be messed with as much as a black person in gang attire?

MotionMan

A real suit or like a playa suit?

These guys are called Le Sapeurs. It's a gang in Africa that dresses awesome.

Here is a real suit:

I love the smile. "Yeah I just had sex with your daughter"

 

[MotionMan]

Would be true in any town, racial profiling only applies to black people. Think about it, if a black person robs a store, cops will pull over damn near every black person they come across. White people rob stores all the time, yet I've never been pulled over once. And when I said black people get pulled over and questioned, I'm not referring to ones who fit the description, I mean random black people get pulled over "just incase" Most of which don't even come a tiny bit close to fitting the description. If black people in gang attire get fucked with, it's only right that white people in gang attire get fucked with too. But since they don't, to me that means the gang attire isn't the real reason they're being fucked with? And FYI: baggy jeans aren't gang attire, it's fashion. Gang members wear rags and caps. I bought my last pair of baggy jeans at Nordstroms, I somehow don't see that as being a store where you buy gang clothing.

To recap:

black person in thug attire - fucked
black person in a suit - possibly fucked, definitely more fucked than white person in gang attire.
white person in thug attire - safe
white person in suit - safe

Wow. You have a very sad view of society.

I assume you have some links from reputable sources that will back up your claims, or is it only based on anecdotal stories and biased assumptions?

MotionMan

 

[MotionMan]

A real suit or like a playa suit?

A "real" suit.

MotionMan

 

[QueBert]

Wow. You have a very sad view of society.

I assume you have some links from reputable sources that will back up your claims, or is it only based on anecdotal stories and biased assumptions?

MotionMan

It's called "Racial Profiling" Not something I made up, not something that's not real. And if you notice the 1st word racial it's pretty clear that people are what's profiled by the police not what they wear. You've never heard of "dress code profiling" now have you? Here's a few articles, one from the LA Times, I'm sure you'll discredit them as biased or just plain bad info but you can Google "racial profiling" and there will be thousands of links saying similar shit.

http://articles.latimes.com/2008/oct/23/opinion/oe-ayres23
another good read on it
http://reason.com/archives/2001/08/01/the-roots-of-racial-profiling/singlepage

I lived in the hood for 3 years and from experinece I will say while attire didn't help (if they were dressed thuggish) it played only a very small part. I saw shit like middle aged black men in fucking polo shirts getting frisked, just because.

 

[MotionMan]

It's called "Racial Profiling" Not something I made up, not something that's not real. And if you notice the 1st word racial it's pretty clear that people are what's profiled by the police not what they wear. You've never heard of "dress code profiling" now have you?

http://www.trinitytripod.com/news/racial-profiling-still-separates-students-1.2171360#.Tz7bSlF411A

An African-American student who wished to remain anonymous provided an interesting distinction that diminishes the relevance of racial profiling. He feels that racial profiling is much less an issue for discrimination than "dress profiling" is. The student claims to dress similarly to most of Trinity, and in fact, he has never been racially profiled or asked demeaning questions. He challenged the idea that people automatically assume "black is bad," and instead claimed that "baggy clothes and 'ghetto-urban' dress," something contrary to the norm of Trinity fashion, is a greater basis for fear and suspicion. "Who would you more likely assume goes to Trinity?" he asked, "an African-American student with pearl earrings and a chic skirt, or a Caucasian with baggy Fubu jeans, an exaggerated relaxed walk, and an oversized white t-shirt?"

I am not alone in my opinion.

http://www.newyorkbeacon.net/files/be1836s.pdf (search for "dress profiling")


That all being said, my point was not that there is NO RACIAL PROFILING. My point was, if you dress like a punk, criminal or gangster, you should not be surpassed to be treated as one.

MotionMan

 

[QueBert]

http://www.trinitytripod.com/news/racial-profiling-still-separates-students-1.2171360#.Tz7bSlF411A



I am not alone in my opinion.

http://www.newyorkbeacon.net/files/be1836s.pdf (search for "dress profiling")


That all being said, my point was not that there is NO RACIAL PROFILING. My point was, if you dress like a punk, criminal or gangster, you should not be surpassed to be treated as one.

MotionMan

That very PDF you linked to talks about how BLACK people are profiled for what they but WHITE people - pretty much never. Which to me says probably that the clothing isn't the real reason for the profiling, and in the end is just an excuse to do something you wanted to regardless. Also your theory doesn't explain why so many more people of color are stopped by police while driving. I'm pretty sure when driving a cop has no idea what type of clothes a person's wearing. In my 2nd link a black man was stopped on his way to an interview, so something tells me he had on a suit. And even if he didn't he definitely wasn't wearing gang attire. But he did have an SUV which apparently the cop found suspicious by the shit he said to the dude. Because, as we all know only gang members and drug dealers drive Ford Explorers right?

What makes this more problematic is areas where racial profiling is most prevalent are almost always ones where the cops do the most surveillance. Areas where EVERYONE knows who the drug deals are, and who the gang members are. Yet the continue to randomly fuck with people, even when they already know who's doing the dirt and who's not.

So to recap: there *IS* Racial Profiling, this has been proven 100x over. And there *IS* Racial Profiling based on what the person's wearing, this has been proven 100x over. But there's no evidence of this so called "dress profiling" happening outside of people of color. I find that a bit odd, but hay that's just me. *shrug* Which makes the moral here if you want to dress like a gangsta, you better be Caucasian, or at least 100% Caucasian looking.

 

[MotionMan]

So to recap: there *IS* Racial Profiling, this has been proven 100x over. And there *IS* Racial Profiling based on what the person's wearing, this has been proven 100x over. But there's no evidence of this so called "dress profiling" happening outside of people of color. I find that a bit odd, but hay that's just me. *shrug*

I never denied that there is racial profiling.

All I am saying is that if you dress like a punk, criminal or gang member, you should not be surprised when you are treated as one.

You are reading too much into my statement.

MotionMan

 

[QueBert]

I never denied that there is racial profiling.

All I am saying is that if you dress like a punk, criminal or gang member, you should not be surprised when you are treated as one.

You are reading too much into my statement.

MotionMan

Treated like one by someone like you or my mom or an average person? I wouldn't be surprised at all. But police have training and whole divisions dedicated to gangs. So it should be reasonable to assume a police officer's had said training. There's a huge difference between the perception of gang clothing, and actually being in a gang. With such training it's not hard to tell the difference between a gang member and a dude who's dressed in clothes he bought at Macy's that appears to have the characteristics, but that's only to the untrained eye.

Now if a cop truely doesn't know what to look for, it mean they weren't trained very well.

 

[MotionMan]

Treated like one by someone like you or my mom or an average person? I wouldn't be surprised at all. But police have training and whole divisions dedicated to gangs. So it should be reasonable to assume a police officer's had said training. There's a huge difference between the perception of gang clothing, and actually being in a gang. With such training it's not hard to tell the difference between a gang member and a dude who's dressed in clothes he bought at Macy's that appears to have the characteristics, but that's only to the untrained eye.

Now if a cop truely doesn't know what to look for, it mean they weren't trained very well.

You are focusing on the actions of the cop. I am focusing on the actions of the citizen.

Does dressing like a punk, criminal or gang member give the cops carte blanche to harass the citizen? No. Should the citizen be surprised to be harassed if they dress like a punk, criminal or gang member? No.

And, based on your assertions and links, isn't it doubly-stupid to dress like that if you are black or hispanic? There are parts of your appearance you cannot control, color being one (MJ aside). There are parts of your appearance you can absolutely, 100% control, like your dress. Why not choose to not make yourself any more of a target and not dress like a punk, criminal or gang member?

MotionMan

 

[shortylickens]

Whats Quebert talking about again?

 

[ShawnD1]

And, based on your assertions and links, isn't it doubly-stupid to dress like that if you are black or hispanic? There are parts of your appearance you cannot control, color being one (MJ aside). There are parts of your appearance you can absolutely, 100% control, like your dress. Why not choose to not make yourself any more of a target and not dress like a punk, criminal or gang member?

Because this is America and I should have the right to dress like a police officer without people assuming I'm a police officer. Why you gotta profile me like that?

 

[MotionMan]

Because this is America and I should have the right to dress like a police officer without people assuming I'm a police officer. Why you gotta profile me like that?

Impersonating a police officer is, in fact, illegal.

MotionMan

 

[ShawnD1]

Impersonating a police officer is, in fact, illegal.

MotionMan

No I don't say I'm a police officer. I just dress like one. People naturally assume I'm a police officer, and they're just as wrong as this cop is for assuming that people dressed like criminals are real criminals. Did he ask if they were criminals? No. He assumed they were criminals. You know what they say when people assume things - it makes an ass of u & me

 

[MotionMan]

No I don't say I'm a police officer. I just dress like one. People naturally assume I'm a police officer, and they're just as wrong as this cop is for assuming that people dressed like criminals are real criminals. Did he ask if they were criminals? No. He assumed they were criminals. You know what they say when people assume things - it makes an ass of u & me

Again, you are focusing on the actions of the cop. I am focusing on the actions of the citizen.

Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

MotionMan