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Cop on tape: "I'm going to make stuff up"

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You guys think it's bad now? Imagine what it was like before modern security cameras, cell phones, and everything else that these cops get caught on.
 
irishScott said:
You guys think it's bad now? Imagine what it was like before modern security cameras, cell phones, and everything else that these cops get caught on.
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Why do you think cops in many places are trying to create/protect laws on the books that make recording them illegal?

Crooked, the whole lot of them.
 
bunnyfubbles said:
they paint the guys as upstanding citizens, and they very well may be, but what it really comes down to is that they were racially profiled because of their "ghetto clothing". If they would have been strolling down the street in that suit and sweater vest attire they were filmed in for the news story, there's simply no way the cops would have targeted them...granted, on the flip side they probably would have been mugged.
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You don't see the problem here?
 
MotionMan said:
The problem is people who dress like criminals complain when they are treated like criminals.

MotionMan
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If society at large treats them that way, then they can't really complain. When a law enforcement officer treats them like criminals because of their appearance it is a different matter entirely.
 
HendrixFan said:
If society at large treats them that way, then they can't really complain. When a law enforcement officer treats them like criminals because of their appearance it is a different matter entirely.
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The police are merely an extension of the society they serve.

MotionMan
 
bunnyfubbles said:
you have to admit its funny when you really think about it

they paint the guys as upstanding citizens, and they very well may be, but what it really comes down to is that they were racially profiled because of their "ghetto clothing". If they would have been strolling down the street in that suit and sweater vest attire they were filmed in for the news story, there's simply no way the cops would have targeted them...granted, on the flip side they probably would have been mugged.
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Cops target people of color 1st, what they're wearing's secondary. I have a black friend who was pulled over around Thanksgiving, he was driving a 2001 Honda Accord, no rims, no loud music. While he did have on baggy jeans, unless the cop had x-ray vision he couldn't have possibly known that. He hadn't done anything to warrant getting pulled over. And it was never fully explained to him why he was pulled over in the 1st place. While cops definitely do tend to target black people who dress like "thugs" more than ones who don't. You can be a black man in a suit and still easily get the same treatment. I find it very odd that Cops never seem to fuck with Caucasian people who are dressed like thugs. So dressing like a thug obviously has very little to do with it.
 
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HendrixFan said:
The police in the role they play are bound to higher standards than the society they police over. Society can be unfair, cruel and unjust. Police cannot be those things.
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They are people who are given too much power. Hate to drag this out again as its always cited, but the stanford prison experiments show what happens when one group is given power over another group and there are not effective checks and balances. Cops should be reviewed more closely to check for these types of abuses of power (by a non-cop organization).
 
MotionMan said:
The problem is people who dress like criminals complain when they are treated like criminals.

MotionMan
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So how do criminals dress?

If I put on a suit similar to what a crooked lawyer wears does that I mean deserve to be treated like one?
 
Veliko said:
So how do criminals dress?

If I put on a suit similar to what a crooked lawyer wears does that I mean deserve to be treated like one?
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How about a guy walking in a upscale neighborhood wearing ripped clothes and smell like the dogs ass. The people phone the police for crap like that altough most of the time its just a homeless man looking for a piece of bread.
 
Veliko said:
So how do criminals dress?
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Like they are in a gang. For example: Baggy pants worn below their hips, oversized t-shirts, baseball caps worn sideways, etc.

If I put on a suit similar to what a crooked lawyer wears does that I mean deserve to be treated like one?
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Yes. But that raises a question: How are crooked lawyers treated?

MotionMan
 
HendrixFan said:
The police in the role they play are bound to higher standards than the society they police over. Society can be unfair, cruel and unjust. Police cannot be those things.
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The police will treat citizens in their role as an extension of society. If society's rules are unfair, cruel and unjust, the police will "enforce" society's rules.

In our society, we claim to be not unfair, cruel and unjust (see the Constitution) and the police are suppose to enforce that. In reality, society is a quite less utopian, which puts the cops between what society says it is and what is actually is.

So society tells the cops to stop crime, but stay within these rules that we say we want followed (but in reality, for some, the rules can be broken if it means stopping crime). So, you end up with cops breaking our rules to stop crime (in theory), then get busted for breaking the rules. And we have cops who follow the rules, which makes it, in some cases, impossible to stop crime.

It is quite the conundrum.

MotionMan
 
HendrixFan said:
If society at large treats them that way, then they can't really complain. When a law enforcement officer treats them like criminals because of their appearance it is a different matter entirely.
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If you dress like a punk, how can you NOT expect society (and, by extension, the cops) to treat you like a punk?

MotionMan
 
What a surprise...

Police lying and saying they're going to fabricate evidence further than they already did. Police lie on police reports regularly. They may miss something, and they simply make things up so that their case isn't null and void.
 
MotionMan said:
If you dress like a punk, how can you NOT expect society (and, by extension, the cops) to treat you like a punk?

MotionMan
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Because appearances exist only in the perception of the bigot. If you were a decent human being you wouldn't give it a second thought. If you're an ignorant piece of filth you think it matters what someone looks like. That's really all there is to it.

The ONLY time someone should be treated differently is after they specifically invite it through their illegal or obviously immoral actions. Appearances are neither.
 
PrinceofWands said:
Because appearances exist only in the perception of the bigot. If you were a decent human being you wouldn't give it a second thought. If you're an ignorant piece of filth you think it matters what someone looks like. That's really all there is to it.

The ONLY time someone should be treated differently is after they specifically invite it through their illegal or obviously immoral actions. Appearances are neither.
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Right....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8TNxRqgLcjw
 
PrinceofWands said:
Because appearances exist only in the perception of the bigot. If you were a decent human being you wouldn't give it a second thought. If you're an ignorant piece of filth you think it matters what someone looks like. That's really all there is to it.

The ONLY time someone should be treated differently is after they specifically invite it through their illegal or obviously immoral actions. Appearances are neither.
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ignore him, he knows nothing about anything and everything about nothing. i agree with you here, holster boy.
 
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