Cop charged with murder after shooting

[JSt0rm]

Why do you think I stopped watching the news?

In all seriousness, you have to watch CNN for the left wing side, fox news for the right wing side, then MSN for the nutjob side, then BBC for the outsider's side. It could seriously be a full time job just trying to figure out what in the hell is going on.

Or you could watch the news hour.

 

[Perknose]

Why do you think I stopped watching the news?

In all seriousness, you have to watch CNN for the left wing side, fox news for the right wing side, then MSN for the nutjob side, then BBC for the outsider's side. It could seriously be a full time job just trying to figure out what in the hell is going on.

Anyway, since you do watch all these, I do believe you'd be pleasantly surprised by NPR. It really is one of the most balanced and thoughtful out there.

 

[Meghan54]

Honestly, you really should consider giving PBS's news hour a week of viewing. I think you'd be surprised.

 

[Ichinisan]

Anyway, since you do watch all these, I do believe you'd be pleasantly surprised by NPR. It really is one of the most balanced and thoughtful out there.

I believe NPR fired Juan Williams for a remark that he personally felt uneasy around Muslims at the airport. That feeling developed naturally due to the actions of Muslim extremists. He can't help having those feelings, but he is aware of them and tries his best to overcome the influence of those feelings.

Juan understand prejudice as well as anyone else. Still, he got fired for simply acknowledging that he has those feelings.

 

[Perknose]

I believe NPR fire Juan Williams for a remark that he personally felt uneasy around Muslims at the airport. That feeling developed naturally due to the actions of Muslim extremists. He can't help having those feelings, but he is aware of them and tries his best to overcome the influence of those feelings.

Juan understand prejudice as well as anyone else. Still, he got fired for simply acknowledging that he has those feelings.

Tricky situation, but you really shouldn't want your news analysts promoting their ugly private biases on air. Here is NPRs side of that story:

NPR terminated his contract on Wednesday, October 20, 2010, two days after he made remarks on The O'Reilly Factor.[11] He had commented, "Look, Bill, I'm not a bigot. You know the kind of books I've written about the civil rights movement in this country. But when I get on the plane, I got to tell you, if I see people who are in Muslim garb and I think, you know, they are identifying themselves first and foremost as Muslims, I get worried. I get nervous."[12] According to NPR, the remarks were "inconsistent with our editorial standards and practices, and undermined his credibility as a news analyst with NPR." As to the reason for the termination of Williams' contract, NPR's President and CEO Vivian Schiller offered the following comment: "News analysts may not take personal public positions on controversial issues; doing so undermines their credibility as analysts..."[13]

 

[Ichinisan]

Tricky situation, but you really shouldn't want your news analysts promoting their ugly private biases on air. Here is NPRs side of that story:

I really don't see that statement as a "position" on a political issue. Just a feeling that he has.

Ellen Weiss resigned over the mishandled firing and Vivian Schiller's bonus was canceled.

Juan said:

I think it's good news for NPR if they can get someone who I think has been the keeper of a flame of liberal orthodoxy out of NPR. I think she represented a very ingrown, incestuous culture in that institution that's not open to not only different ways of thinking, but angry at the fact that I would even talk or be on Fox. . . . To my mind, this is good news for NPR and for people who care about news in America.

Left-leaning media outlets gang up on Fox News Channel with the same kinds of comments.

 

[JSt0rm]

PBS and NPR are not opinion news. If they have opinions on the show they make sure to have a counter point. It is the last of real on air journalism there is.

 

[Darwin333]

I was only arguing what I quoted. No more no less.

I believe what y'all doing is called "moving the goalposts".

Looks like I was spot on....

And what you are doing is called "being an idiot", just fyi. Maybe one day you'll find your big girl panties and be willing to have an actual, intelligent, debate but that day is obviously not today.

 

[Darwin333]

So it is legal for cops to shoot someone in the back under these circumstances?

I agree with you that the victim was a douche and his actions most definitely contributed to his own death. Be that as it may, it does not absolve the officer in any way for his actions. I don't believe the cop is a racist monster, just your typical Type-A asshole who snapped. A voluntary manslaughter charge with 10 years in prison seems appropriate in this instance.

I tend to agree with you. I don't believe this guy woke up that day and decided to kill someone. I'd be happy with him actually serving 10 years versus some 10 year sentence and he's out in 3.

 

[JSt0rm]

I tend to agree with you. I don't believe this guy woke up that day and decided to kill someone. I'd be happy with him actually serving 10 years versus some 10 year sentence and he's out in 3.

I say jadedly 1 to 2 years MAX. That will be the sentencing and it will get dropped 6 months after that when the media has moved on.

 

[Ns1]

Looks like I was spot on....

And what you are doing is called "being an idiot", just fyi. Maybe one day you'll find your big girl panties and be willing to have an actual, intelligent, debate but that day is obviously not today.

yawn. once again, I argued exactly what was stated in the post. Perhaps the person who originally presented the argument could try it again without blanket statements.

I love how you use the words "actual, intelligent, debate", wrapped around insults. Pro debate skills right there.

 

[JSt0rm]

yawn. once again, I argued exactly what was stated in the post. Perhaps the person who originally presented the argument could try it again without blanket statements.

I love how you use the words "actual, intelligent, debate", wrapped around insults. Pro debate skills right there.

I didnt mean no cop ever saved anyone. I assumed people could parse my statement but I guess not.

 

[Darwin333]

I say jadedly 1 to 2 years MAX. That will be the sentencing and it will get dropped 6 months after that when the media has moved on.

Sadly, I must agree with you.

 

[Darwin333]

yawn. once again, I argued exactly what was stated in the post. Perhaps the person who originally presented the argument could try it again without blanket statements.

I love how you use the words "actual, intelligent, debate", wrapped around insults. Pro debate skills right there.

Yes, it takes actual intelligence, albeit not very much in this case, to read what was said and understand the intent of the words. You have obviously made it to the reading part but have come up sorely lacking in the understanding part. Or you're just trolling, either way I won't be wasting anymore of my time with you.

 

[Ns1]

Yes, it takes actual intelligence, albeit not very much in this case, to read what was said and understand the intent of the words. You have obviously made it to the reading part but have come up sorely lacking in the understanding part. Or you're just trolling, either way I won't be wasting anymore of my time with you.

I understood the intent perfectly fine. let me blow your mind real quick:

what he intended/meant to say is not what he said, and I refuted what he actually said

 

[Perknose]

Video of officer Slager tasing a guy in Aug. 2014 while he is face down on the pavement while two other officers had him pinned to the ground.

Wilson contends that he presented Woods with a valid Georgia driver’s license, but that while checking his background, the officer called for backup.

After about 10 minutes, Slager joined Woods, who went to Wilson’s door and asked him to step out of the car to discuss his suspended South Carolina driver’s license. Wilson said he initially refused because he had a valid Georgia license.

When Wilson didn’t comply, Woods told the driver he was under arrest but didn’t say why.

“What am I being put under arrest for, officer?” he asked as the patrolmen began to forcibly pull him from behind the wheel.

[...]

A charge against Wilson of driving with a suspended license was dropped, but he pleaded guilty to resisting arrest. His attorneys, however, deny that he ever posed a threat to the officers.

 

[highland145]

Video of officer Slager tasing a guy in Aug. 2014 while he is face down on the pavement while two other officers had him pinned to the ground.

They asked nicely....

Nice guy.
http://jcmsweb.charlestoncounty.org/PublicIndex/PISearch.aspx

Should still be in jail for his 2001 charges.

 

[JSt0rm]

Video of officer Slager tasing a guy in Aug. 2014 while he is face down on the pavement while two other officers had him pinned to the ground.

corruptcops.txt

 

[FirNaTine]

Firefighters show up to a fire and immediately risk life and limb (in the most horrific way imaginable, trust me I know first hand) to save lives. Cops show up and wait for overwhelming force, while innocent people are harmed or killed, to guarantee that they (the cops) have the greatest chance of not getting injured.

The bottom line is very very simple to understand.

Cops protect their own lives before all others, up to and including putting innocent lives at risk for so called "officer safety".

Firefighters do exactly the opposite.

<- 18 Years as a firefighter, 14 years full time career service in a large department.

I'll say this, my calling has placed me in the hospital several times before, and I carry chronic injuries as a result. I also would do the same again given the choice. I've had the opportunity to save several lives, and the scars (visible and invisible) I bear are worth it.

But, this is a simplistic view. I also know several police officers who are exactly the same, and I know firefighters who aren't.

It's kinda the same thing as any stereotype... True for some, not true for all.

 

[highland145]

FirNaTine, thank you for your service.:thumbsup:

 

[FirNaTine]

Thank you Highland.

I guess what I was trying to say, is that I've seen a lot of crossover in the personalities of the firefighters and police I have known.

Honestly, many of us would probably be considered ADHD if we went through school now. But, this type of work can lead to high engagement/focus and that is what many of us seek.

Personally, I was fourth generation joining the local volunteer fire department, working another job full time, and over halfway through my paramedic training on my own time, looking to get hired by the State Police for Medevac. I just happened to apply for and get offered a career fire job in a metro fire department (that I didn't really think was an option from the rural area I was from.)

I know of plenty of guys who took the first job (fire or police) that was offered to them. I've seen true, selfless, heroism among both. I've also seen several make the switch from both sides, but maintain the "there to help," mentality.

I've also seen those that were definitely in it for the wrong reasons. It seems that police conduct in this area gets noticed more though.

 

[tegraarms09]

Well it's nice to see that there's some justice for cops, if a 3rd party catches them on video at least.

Nice execution. Unarmed and running away, cop shoots him 8 times in the back.

 

[Perknose]

Thank you Highland.

I guess what I was trying to say, is that I've seen a lot of crossover in the personalities of the firefighters and police I have known.

Honestly, many of us would probably be considered ADHD if we went through school now. But, this type of work can lead to high engagement/focus and that is what many of us seek.

Personally, I was fourth generation joining the local volunteer fire department, working another job full time, and over halfway through my paramedic training on my own time, looking to get hired by the State Police for Medevac. I just happened to apply for and get offered a career fire job in a metro fire department (that I didn't really think was an option from the rural area I was from.)

I know of plenty of guys who took the first job (fire or police) that was offered to them. I've seen true, selfless, heroism among both. I've also seen several make the switch from both sides, but maintain the "there to help," mentality.

I've also seen those that were definitely in it for the wrong reasons. It seems that police conduct in this area gets noticed more though.

Thanks for your service and your posts, FirNaTine. They are a breath of fresh air which (should) remind us all that reality is far more nuanced than any heated, angry and shallow generalization -- Cops all bad/Cops all good -- can encompass. :thumbsup:

 

[Subyman]

That other video you posted of Slager is really sad, Perknose. Guy had a valid driver's license but was ripped from his car for having a suspended license in another state. Was tazed out of no where and ended up having the suspended license dropped but was charged with resisting arrest (unjustified arrest.) Looks like Slager has left a wake of destruction in his career.

 

[Dari]

That other video you posted of Slager is really sad, Perknose. Guy had a valid driver's license but was ripped from his car for having a suspended license in another state. Was tazed out of no where and ended up having the suspended license dropped but was charged with resisting arrest (unjustified arrest.) Looks like Slager has left a wake of destruction in his career.

For a cop it's just another day at work. For a civilian it's life-changing.