Cop charged with murder after shooting

[WHAMPOM]

You are mentally challenged. The guy *WOULD NOT* be dead right now had he not scuffled with the apparently screw-loose cop.

When will people get it through their fucking heads that it doesn't matter what color, race, creed, sexuality, etc you are...you escalate an encounter with a cop, crazy or otherwise, and it will not end well for you.

This guy was not killed because he was black...he was killed because he scuffled with a possibly nutty cop. The only difference in this being a white guy instead of a black guy is where the cop stopped this guy...you make a traffic stop in a predominately black neighborhood, chances are you're going to be stopping a black person. If this was a predominantly white neighborhood and a white guy tussled with the cop, probability of death being an outcome is still practically the same.

Brown was not killed in Ferguson because he was black...he was killed because he escalated an interaction with a cop. The fat black guy in NY was not killed because he was black...he was killed because he did not comply with an apparently lawful arrest and decided to deal with it by escalating the issue and resisting the arrest instead of just complying and fight any unjustified arrest through legal measures.

Stop being such a fucking lemming and use that head of yours for something other than a racetrack for a comb...

So never go out on public, never leave your home and you will be safe until a warrantless entry occurs due to a mistaken address, you bleed to death from 48 bullet holes lying face down and handcuffed for an hour? An hour cause that is how long the cops take to come up with a "drop weapon" to plant next to your body.

 

[rudeguy]

I would just suggest it matters because cops will shoot you if you take their taser or even try to take it. If the taser really isn't much of a lethal threat, then why should they be trained to shoot in those instances? That's all that should really matter on the larger scale here.

The fact this guy covered up what he did is uniquely criminal and his conviction of that won't have any greater impact on cop training. I imagine he will try to avoid murder charges and get reduced negligent manslaugther charges based on the fact that he was likely trained to shoot if someone touches his gun or taser. (Good luck with that though, since he tried to cover up the crime)

no one took this guy's taser or tried to take it.

Seriously, what happened to your brain?

 

[JSt0rm]

no one took this guy's taser or tried to take it.

Seriously, what happened to your brain?

That will be the defense though. And he will get off with 6 to 18 months served.

 

[Linux23]

Really nice touch by the cop to demand multiple times for the guy he just pumped 8 bullets into to put his hands behind his back.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96LBTVQpClY

there shall be a mint julep waiting for you on the other side sir.

well maybe not so much since that a movie and this is real life, so

 

[Vic]

Yes of course, we are in agreement about Cops. But, you are attempting to discount the very real part that Race plays in it. And that could be understandable seeing you're not Black and probably are just not aware of it and doesn't affect you. But at a point you're going to have to take the word of the black community and others who study this subject on the actual impact. If you know any Black people, sit down and have a conversation (more just listen) with them about their interactions with police in this country. I guarantee it'll be surprising to you.

I think you're missing an important dynamic here. As long as the Faux News crowd continues to be able to delude itself that these kind of incidents only happen to black people (or to anyone other than good law abiding hard working red blooded pale skinned Americans like themselves), then the bad apples will continue to get away with murder.
But as soon as they figure out that cops can and do murder people like themselves, and then lie about it just like this cop tried to, then things will change in a hurry.
So while it might be true that blacks are on the receiving end of police misconduct more often than whites, and while it might make you feel good to keep pointing that out, doing so is not actually conducive to solving the actual problem.
Which is, government abuse of power, caused by lack of proper oversight and accountability, resulting in serious injury and even death to American citizens on American soil.

 

[Linux23]

i kinda think this cop is going to get off scott free, and to be honest, i hope he does. reason being is that we need something to ignite this fire that's going on in america so that changes are made from the very top down in our nations law enforcement system. i think if we start clean, and find way to make sure there a sure fire way of accountability within the system, this may be the sacrifice that is needed.

one man going to jail only affects that man, and not the systemic changes that needs to be enacted in america asap. but that's just my 2 cents.

 

[JSt0rm]

i kinda think this cop is going to get off scott free, and to be honest, i hope he does. reason being is that we need something to ignite this fire that's going on in america so that changes are made from the very top down in our nations law enforcement system. i think if we start clean, and find way to make sure there a sure fire way of accountability within the system, this may be the sacrifice that is needed.

one man going to jail only affects that man, and not the systemic changes that needs to be enacted in america asap. but that's just my 2 cents.

I think what you are asking is impossible. I think through all of history the police have preyed on the weak and poor and nothing was ever done about it. The only difference now is the weak and poor can take video evidence.

That will change some things but its not going to change the very nature of police work... i.e busting heads and generating money for the state.

 

[Ns1]

I think what you are asking is impossible. I think through all of history the police have preyed on the weak and poor and nothing was ever done about it. The only difference now is the weak and poor can take video evidence.

remember that time...

 

[Vic]

i kinda think this cop is going to get off scott free, and to be honest, i hope he does. reason being is that we need something to ignite this fire that's going on in america so that changes are made from the very top down in our nations law enforcement system. i think if we start clean, and find way to make sure there a sure fire way of accountability within the system, this may be the sacrifice that is needed.

one man going to jail only affects that man, and not the systemic changes that needs to be enacted in america asap. but that's just my 2 cents.

What we need, I hate to say, is video of a likely Republican voter getting shot by a cop 8 times in the back like this. Then the systematic change we'll see right quick is cops too afraid to leave their police stations.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

What we need, I hate to say, is video of a likely Republican voter getting shot by a cop 8 times in the back like this. Then the systematic change we'll see right quick is cops too afraid to leave their police stations.

You should hate to say that....but I'll cut you some slack as you don't seem to know any better.

 

[Blackjack200]

remember that time...

And that ignited race riots.

 

[Vic]

You should hate to say that....but I'll cut you some slack as you don't seem to know any better.

I did say that I hated to say that, but thanks for agreeing with me.

 

[Ns1]

And that ignited race riots.

which led to absolutely zero changes (except a much better koreatown)

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Wait. Huh? Seems like you are cherry picking stats to make a point. And I'm not sure why. It's not the number of deaths is the deaths per percentage of population.

And furthermore, are you really arguing that it is the media's editorial choices rather than legacy of institutional racism that accounts for this?

That's a very shocking post.

Horrors - I have shocked you!

The reality is that there are many more police interactions with black people than white people, relative to their percentage of the population. The reason is because black men are far, far likelier to be involved in serious and violent crimes than white people. By way of illustration, per FBI statistics, 52.5% of all murders are committed by black people, with the great majority of those committed by males. Black people make up only 12.5% of the population. In essence you have about 6% of the population committing about half the murders. (I am not wading into the far more complex question of why the numbers are what they are, but facts are facts.)

In that context, it is inevitable that black people will have greater than their pro rata share of interactions with police, and thus more than their share of violent interactions. If you compare the disproportionality of police killings of black people with the relatively much greater disproportionality of black people committing violent crimes relative to the rest of the population, the numbers bear out in favor of the police. (As you say, black people are 4 times more likely to be on the receiving end of violence by police than white people, but they are 8 times likelier to commit murder than white people.)

 

[Blackjack200]

which led to absolutely zero changes (except a much better koreatown)

Here's my Wikipedia puke.

After the riots subsided, there were significant consequences in the Los Angeles Police Department and city government: an increase in hiring of minority officers, analysis of excessive force, resignation of the police chief, loss of support for the Mayor of Los Angeles, and analysis of the general political and economic atmosphere that contributed to the riots.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_riots

 

[rudeguy]

Here's my Wikipedia puke.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_riots

I don't necessarily agree with him but I think I get what he's saying:

The cop on (black) civilian violence is still there. Maybe it got better in some places, maybe it got worse in others. But its still there.

 

[Ns1]

Rudeguy covered my point, but fair enough - things DID change immediately after the LA Riots.

 

[rudeguy]

Rudeguy covered my point, but fair enough - things DID change immediately after the LA Riots.

But wasn't that right about the time Rampart started their shit?

 

[Brian Stirling]

I'll start by summing up that the cop deserves to be prosecuted for manslaughter at least, and, if facts warrant, murder.

BUT...

As I watch the video I see wires between the black guy and the cop and those wires almost certainly were from the TASER so that would suggest the TASER was fired.

Two, there was only two people there so either the cop fired the TASER at the black guy OR the black guy fired the TASER at the cop.

If the cop fired the TASER then, after the man started to run, shot him with his firearm, then that's murder, or, at least manslaughter. However, if the cop fired the TASER I have to wonder why the man didn't seem to react to the TASER.

If the man fired the TASER the cops vest would probably prevent the TASER from effecting him. But, if the cop was fired upon then that would be mitigation for his use of his firearm. Not a 100% defense but certainly more understandable that the other way around.

Lastly, the guy that shot the video had to have huge balls to do what he did and it's surprising the neither cop appeared to notice him.


Brian

 

[Ns1]

But wasn't that right about the time Rampart started their shit?

lol, well then I guess things didn't change so much afterall. I actually forgot all about Rampart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal

 

[Ackmed]

It was actually the choking bit that killed him. In both cases a police officer kill someone, but only you are stupid enough to think it only counts if its with a bullet.

How about Tamir Rice or John Crawford? Both of them were shot because they were black and by white officers. The race mattered there, and it should matter in the headline. Again, you are too stupid to figure this out.

Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later. He did not die from being put in a choke hold.

With Rice the call dispatch gave to the responding officers was that someone was waving a gun in a public park. The gun had the orange tip removed and looked very real. He wasn't shot because he was black, he was shot because he was waving a very real looking gun in public.

Crawford again was waving a very realistic gun around. It was in fact a BB gun. The media kept saying that it was a "toy" yet I bet if anyone looks at that gun and a real one from 30 feet away they couldn't tell in a split second when a decision had to be made if it was real. Media kept on saying toy and white cop shooting a black cop. He was told to put it down and did not. He instead kept it in the air and attempted to leave. Trying to say that the shooting was a murder is idiotic. All he had to do was put the gun down, explain it was from the store, and he would have walked away.

In fact in virtually every single case, if people would just listen to police when told to do something, like put the gun down, stop resisting when trying to be arrested they would be alive. Even in this case, he had a warrant for arrest. He resisted and wrestled with the officer then ran away. He had a warrant, should have gone to jail and bonded out the next day. Alive and well. That is NOT saying the shoot was good, it by all means was not from the video. The officer should be punished to the full extent of the law. The facts are if people just fucking listen and don't try to run, fight, and drop the gun when told to they would be alive. It is not because they're black, it's pretty ignorant to make that claim. But you like to try to make that claim. Like these "victims" did nothing wrong.

 

[Ns1]

Garner, who was 6-foot-3 and weighed 350 pounds, suffered from a number of health problems, including heart disease, severe asthma, diabetes, obesity, and sleep apnea. Garner did not die at the scene of the confrontation. He suffered cardiac arrest in the ambulance taking him to the hospital and was pronounced dead about an hour later. He did not die from being put in a choke hold.

this report disagrees with you.

On August 1, Garner's death was found by the New York City Medical Examiner's Office to be a result of "compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police."[2] Asthma, heart disease, and obesity were cited as contributing factors.[70] There was no damage to the windpipe or neckbones.[29] On August 1, the medical examiner's spokesperson, Julie Bolcer, announced that Garner's death has been ruled a homicide.[71] As of December 3, 2014 the United States Department of Justice launched further investigation towards the death

[Homicide in this context] indicates that “someone’s intentional actions led to the death of another person”

 

[rudeguy]

lol, well then I guess things didn't change so much afterall. I actually forgot all about Rampart.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rampart_scandal

They do...for a minute in a certain place. But then the media finds something else to focus people's attention on and it all goes away.

 

[emperus]

Horrors - I have shocked you!

The reality is that there are many more police interactions with black people than white people, relative to their percentage of the population. The reason is because black men are far, far likelier to be involved in serious and violent crimes than white people. By way of illustration, per FBI statistics, 52.5% of all murders are committed by black people, with the great majority of those committed by males. Black people make up only 12.5% of the population. In essence you have about 6% of the population committing about half the murders. (I am not wading into the far more complex question of why the numbers are what they are, but facts are facts.)

In that context, it is inevitable that black people will have greater than their pro rata share of interactions with police, and thus more than their share of violent interactions. If you compare the disproportionality of police killings of black people with the relatively much greater disproportionality of black people committing violent crimes relative to the rest of the population, the numbers bear out in favor of the police. (As you say, black people are 4 times more likely to be on the receiving end of violence by police than white people, but they are 8 times likelier to commit murder than white people.)

I was feigning shock. I really wasn't.

I'm not sure what this post has to do with the initial numbers you put forth. Whether black people commit all the crime or just a little bit, the initial numbers you posted didn't quite paint the picture you attempted to use them to, did it? I guess this is a tacit admission of that.

I'm not going to debate this topic with you. It does seem like you have a lot of theories on it. But, you should have probably saved yourself a lot of typing and just wrote the part in red font.

I'm not the one to apologize for black crime, or the issues the Black(African American) community has. But it's always interesting to me those who clearly try to diminish the role racism has played and continues to play in it.

Btw, what do you mean by this or what point are you trying to make?

As you say, black people are 4 times more likely to be on the receiving end of violence by police than white people, but they are 8 times likelier to commit murder than white people.

 

[BoberFett]

Not unexpectedly, the word solution does not appear in this thread. This is a big problem. The simplest solution is to completely decriminalize drugs. That will reduce the size and scope of law enforcement agencies since there will not be as high of a budgetary justification.

Easier solution is to require body and car cameras that are easily attainable by whoever asks for them. Also make it a fireable (without pension) offense for purposefully messing with them.

I'm 100% in favor of both of those things. Cops need to be monitored at all times when on duty. They've proven they can't be trusted.