Cop charged with murder after shooting

[Ns1]

Wait, so he would have died all the same if he wasn't put into a choke hold by a cop?

As you requested, please provide your source that the cop was just in the wrong place at the wrong time and the guy he just happened to be choking died from unrelated causes.

hey shut up you, you're a special kind of stupid.



wait a minute...

 

[sportage]

I think people have had more than enough of this environment being created against blacks, Hispanics, women, and gays as well.
Voter suppression in republican controlled states, failure to pass immigration legislation from republicans in congress, attacks against plan parenthood, attacks against gays, blacks gunned down with no justice.

If there is a war on religion, their type of twisted perverted religion, then bring on the war.
We need a war on religion, a war on bigotry, a war on injustice.
And should religion be their justification for their actions against equality and fairness, then it is time for war.

I would not call this a war on religion, but more accurate a war to save religion.
A war to take back religion.
A war to end suppression against minorities, blacks, gays, Hispanics, and women.
A war to take back religion from those that would use religion as some weapon against others.
If gays indeed have an agenda, that agenda is for justice and equality.
If blacks have an agenda, that agenda is for justice in America.
And I say hail for that agenda. Bring it on.
Bring on the war to save religion from those that distort, pervert, and twist its meaning.
Bring on that war against anyone and everyone that serve in power solely to oppress minorities.
Bring on that war to hold bigots fully accountable.
Bring on that war against those that would gun down innocent people of color, and get away with it.
Bring on that war, bring on that agenda.
Win back religion and its true intended meaning.
Bring back fairness, equality, justice, and bring back freedom for all Americans, even if it should take a full on war.
So they claim a war on religion? Damn straight!
And time is long overdue for that war.

 

[touchstone]

Still kinda gets me they charge him with murder, which I would say is correct, and they still have people staging protests against the police.

Seems a bit odd on that account, but I guess they going for the attention on the news coverage there I suppose.

Well, they did release a statement prior to the release of the video that was basically the exact same as what they said in Ferguson; 'He feared for his life' because the man supposedly took his taser.


So while I agree that they are doing a worlds better job than what happened in Ferguson, they are only doing so because the officer was caught red handed in the worst way. I doubt that these protestors know that (most of them anyway), but that police department is still unaccountable. Where is the Black officer who was with him and saw him drop him taser? Did he see the shooting? Why didn't he help that dying man? Many questions that they should answer.

 

[touchstone]

What is the CNN crowd doing about it?

How about the MSNBC crowd?

The Univision crowd?

What the hell does Fox News have to do with anything other than serve as an attempt to blame this on your political enemies or to deflect from your own impotence at solving the problem?



I don't even know what the fuck you're talking about now. I personally am rabidly anti-cop. However what I'm not going to do is make a childish attempt to blame this on a particular political faction as you're doing.

"Waaah, Faux News viewers won't fix the problem until they see Republican voters being shot."

Pathetic.

I don't think he is blaming fox itself, more that he thinks that the general demographic of people who watch fox news represents the kind of people who generally are OK with police brutality. I think he has a point.


Fox isn't to blame, but watching Fox is a symptom of a lack of compassion and understanding for those in different circumstances. There is an attitude that these police, while certainly abusing authority, are only doing so to 'bad' people. If a died in the wool republican was shot and killed maybe they would see the light?

 

[BoberFett]

I think people have had more than enough of this environment being created against blacks, Hispanics, women, and gays as well.
Voter suppression in republican controlled states, failure to pass immigration legislation from republicans in congress, attacks against plan parenthood, attacks against gays, blacks gunned down with no justice.

If there is a war on religion, their type of twisted perverted religion, then bring on the war.
We need a war on religion, a war on bigotry, a war on injustice.
And should religion be their justification for their actions against equality and fairness, then it is time for war.

I would not call this a war on religion, but more accurate a war to save religion.
A war to take back religion.
A war to end suppression against minorities, blacks, gays, Hispanics, and women.
A war to take back religion from those that would use religion as some weapon against others.
If gays indeed have an agenda, that agenda is for justice and equality.
If blacks have an agenda, that agenda is for justice in America.
And I say hail for that agenda. Bring it on.
Bring on the war to save religion from those that distort, pervert, and twist its meaning.
Bring on that war against anyone and everyone that serve in power solely to oppress minorities.
Bring on that war to hold bigots fully accountable.
Bring on that war against those that would gun down innocent people of color, and get away with it.
Bring on that war, bring on that agenda.
Win back religion and its true intended meaning.
Bring back fairness, equality, justice, and bring back freedom for all Americans, even if it should take a full on war.
So they claim a war on religion? Damn straight!
And time is long overdue for that war.

Oh look everyone, the nutter is back for more.

 

[irishScott]

The thing a lot of folks are missing, with Akmed being the most egregious example, is complying with police orders is no guarantee of not being shot, Tazed, or beaten. While complying can reduce the chance of a negative outcome for you the only thing that will determine whether violence is used is how the cops perception of your actions is received.

In any other case where someone's rights are repressed due to another parties perception, conservatives are quick to scream PC! In these cases it's good shoot. :\

While using police cams for accountability , and reducing the number of criminal offenses by legalizing drugs is a start, the only true way to fix this problem is to change hiring and training practices.

New officers need to be willing to risk their lives and be trained to correctly decided to use force or not in stressful snap decisions. They need to understand that they are accountable for deliberate wrong or sloppy decisions.

When we get a new class in, for my job where we are responsible for crew safety and several billion dollars of national assets, they must demonstrate good decision making during stressful simulations. Only the ones who do become certified. Many don't make it. Police training needs to be like this.

And every police department on the planet will tell you that training costs money. Hell I think most police officers would also benefit from actual shooting practice on their department's dime, call it two times a month. Most departments require an officer to qualify twice a year, and the qualifications for anyone who isn't SWAT are ridiculously easy. The police officers I know who are actually good shots are the ones I've met at the range, practicing on their own time and their own dime. The reason? Ammo is expensive.

 

[BoberFett]

I don't think he is blaming fox itself, more that he thinks that the general demographic of people who watch fox news represents the kind of people who generally are OK with police brutality. I think he has a point.


Fox isn't to blame, but watching Fox is a symptom of a lack of compassion and understanding for those in different circumstances. There is an attitude that these police, while certainly abusing authority, are only doing so to 'bad' people. If a died in the wool republican was shot and killed maybe they would see the light?

Oh yeah? Well so what?

I'm sure viewers of Dancing with the Stars are OK with brutality too. Survivor viewers. Superbowl viewers probably don't give a shit either. What's your point?

Are you claiming that the 1% of America who watches Fox News is somehow preventing the 99% from doing anything about it?

The entire fate of law enforcement in the US rests on the shoulders of the tiny percentage of mental midgets who Fox?

That has NO basis in fact, and this is just another thread for some people to spread their particular brand of partisan bullshit.

 

[Darwin333]

Well, they did release a statement prior to the release of the video that was basically the exact same as what they said in Ferguson; 'He feared for his life' because the man supposedly took his taser.


So while I agree that they are doing a worlds better job than what happened in Ferguson, they are only doing so because the officer was caught red handed in the worst way. I doubt that these protestors know that (most of them anyway), but that police department is still unaccountable. Where is the Black officer who was with him and saw him drop him taser? Did he see the shooting? Why didn't he help that dying man? Many questions that they should answer.

Imho, despite many peoples accusations to the contrary, I think the only color the LEO give a shit about is "blue". Black, whit, brown and pink they have no problem killing (very general statement), it's the blue that they really care about.

 

[JSt0rm]

Oh yeah? Well so what?

and this is just another thread for some people to spread their particular brand of partisan bullshit.

Yeah. It has nothing to do with black people getting killed and everything to do with partisan bullshit, a particular brand of said bullshit. Because

 

[Baasha]

Absolutely vile:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...upport-south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/

 

[irishScott]

Absolutely vile:
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/20...upport-south-carolina-officer-charged-murder/

The fund or the site's actions? Frankly I'm wondering who would give money to that officer after watching the video. The KKK and Stormfront? Lol.

 

[BoberFett]

The video is pretty damning evidence and he'll hopefully be seeing serious prison time. But is GoFundMe saying the guy doesn't deserve a defense in court?

 

[BoberFett]

Yeah. It has nothing to do with black people getting killed and everything to do with partisan bullshit, a particular brand of said bullshit. Because

Did you fall asleep? Lose interest?

 

[irishScott]

The video is pretty damning evidence and he'll hopefully be seeing serious prison time. But is GoFundMe saying the guy doesn't deserve a defense in court?

Sure he deserves a defense, and that's provided by the taxpayers via public defender. GoFundMe can kill any project they want.

 

[Meghan54]

By way of illustration, per FBI statistics, 52.5% of all murders are committed by black people, with the great majority of those committed by males. ...facts are facts.)

Just wondering where you got the FBI stats on blacks committing 52.5% of murders. Can you please link to it??

Last stats from the FBI's UCR for 2013 showed the distribution of homicide offenders to be at 31.1% white, 38% black.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2013.xls

 

[BoberFett]

Sure he deserves a defense, and that's provided by the taxpayers via public defender. GoFundMe can kill any project they want.

Public defender?

 

[rudeguy]

Sure he deserves a defense, and that's provided by the taxpayers via public defender. GoFundMe can kill any project they want.

And they killed his project. No funding for this POS from them.

 

[Paratus]

And every police department on the planet will tell you that training costs money. Hell I think most police officers would also benefit from actual shooting practice on their department's dime, call it two times a month. Most departments require an officer to qualify twice a year, and the qualifications for anyone who isn't SWAT are ridiculously easy. The police officers I know who are actually good shots are the ones I've met at the range, practicing on their own time and their own dime. The reason? Ammo is expensive.

Well no kidding. We need robe willing to pay for the police we want. Maybe the money can come from cutting back on the number of MRAPs and other military gear they get now? :hmm:

 

[Don Vito Corleone]

Just wondering where you got the FBI stats on blacks committing 52.5% of murders. Can you please link to it??

Last stats from the FBI's UCR for 2013 showed the distribution of homicide offenders to be at 31.1% white, 38% black.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/uc...murder_offenders_by_age_sex_and_race_2013.xls

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/htus8008.pdf This is an 18-year survey and, unlike the link you posted, doesn't include a large number (in your case more than 29%) of offenders as "unknown" in terms of race. I expect the large percentage of "unknowns" in the 2013 table accounts for the difference.

 

[rudeguy]

Well no kidding. We need robe willing to pay for the police we want. Maybe the money can come from cutting back on the number of MRAPs and other military gear they get now? :hmm:

Don't they get those for free?

 

[Genx87]

Don't they get those for free?

Nothing is free. They have to maintain, use, fuel, and train on them.

 

[Blackjack200]

Public defender?

Absolutely.

If public defenders are good enough for inner city "urban" (black) drug dealers, indigent petty thieves, and everyone else, they are certainly good enough for this officer.

Why should GFM be required provide a platform for fundraising for a man who has betrayed the public trust in one of the most heinous ways imaginable?

That said, I thought the police unions generally paid for the legal defense of their members? Is that not happening here?

And they killed his project. No funding for this POS from them.

But then there's "IndiGoGo"

“Indiegogo allows anyone, anywhere to fund ideas that matter to them and just like other open platforms — such as Facebook, YouTube and Twitter — we don’t judge the content of campaigns as long as they are in compliance with our Terms of Use.”

Hopefully pressure is quickly applied to IGG to amend their Terms of Use and kill this. I sure as fuck wouldn't use them or donate to anyone who used them if they follow through and allow money to be raised for this officer.

 

[rudeguy]

Nothing is free. They have to maintain, use, fuel, and train on them.

Yea...I guess you're right.

I did some quick math on the ammo part. If a police force has 1,000 cops and the cops go to the range twice a month, it would be around $80,000 per month in ammo or damn close to $1,000,000 per year. Think those MRAPs come close in cost?

I'm 100% asking. I have no idea what upkeep costs on those things.

 

[Blackjack200]

Nothing is free. They have to maintain, use, fuel, and train on them.

I believe they also tear up municiple roads.

The day I'm made king of the world all this MRAP SWAT team bullshit stops. Police lose their tanks, APCs, and SUVs. Go back to clearly marked cruisers with light bars on top and modest paint schemes. No more strobes everywhere, no more black secret-service wannabe shit.

 

[bshole]

Absolutely.

If public defenders are good enough for inner city "urban" (black) drug dealers, indigent petty thieves, and everyone else, they are certainly good enough for this officer.

Why should GFM be required provide a platform for fundraising for a man who has betrayed the public trust in one of the most heinous ways imaginable?

From the video it is pretty evident that the cop is guilty of voluntary manslaughter at best, even so this decision by GoFundMe rubs me the wrong way. I would like to the cop get the very best legal help possible and still get convicted.