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Cop abuse incident in Texas

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Were the kids in the wrong (ie: tresspassing)? From the latest information, that's probably true.

At the same time, we should expect our cops to act like professionals and remain in control. The way he was running around was totally unacceptable and only served to escalate the tenuous situation instead of deescalating it. I don't see how his actions are defensible.
 
So pretty much all the former cops interviewed all agree this cop was wrong and has issues, including his own police chief, but all the usual bigots and cop-lovers are here totally defending the cop. Brilliant!

Must be nice living in some fantasy world were cops never do anything wrong. Pity it isn't reality. Instead we have cops that decide to assault innocent girls for no reason, and curse out kids for no reason. But that's OK to the bigots here.

Blah Blah Blah -

The only action I defended was his choice to pull his weapon at the instant that he did. Its a gray area. The officer clearly thought the two guys were going after him. If any of you actually have any police training (I have) and actually recognize warning signs you would see that as well. The one guy pulling his pants up and coming after the cop? All those street bangers that wear their pants down around their ass do that before they fight. I have seen it many times. I know most of you here mean well, but a lot of you are just clueless about police work and don't know what the hell you are talking about.


Here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxp1n8DPm3A

Watch the guy in the black shorts run into this fight at :46 - watch how many times he does the exact same thing as the guy in front of the cop - then watch the guy in the white shirt do it at 1:28 and again at 1:45
 
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His resignation doesn't change much for me.

This story has been all about a racist cop and nothing about teens acting as hooligans. It isn't like his actions happened in a vacuum.

As far as the police chief comments are concerned implicit in deference to them as the almighty word on this is a belief that police chiefs are always right, which makes criticizing them when they defend bad cops impossible.

I agree with post 252 by vaux.


The only reason the guy may have slipped is because he was rushing up to the cop to begin with. This story as usual completely excuses ridiculous behavior that we would never tolerate in our own children.
 
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WHat the cop did was right.

There is another video of that same bikini girl he got on top of and she was fighting and pulling hair of a caucasian plump woman.
 
WHat the cop did was right.

There is another video of that same bikini girl he got on top of and she was fighting and pulling hair of a caucasian plump woman.

I guess you better get that breaking news to the police chief! 🙄
 
His resignation doesn't change much for me.

This story has been all about a racist cop and nothing about teens acting as hooligans. It isn't like his actions happened in a vacuum.

As far as the police chief comments are concerned implicit in deference to them as the almighty word on this is a belief that police chiefs are always right, which makes criticizing them when they defend bad cops impossible.

I agree with post 252 by vaux.


The only reason the guy may have slipped is because he was rushing up to the cop to begin with. This story as usual completely excuses ridiculous behavior that we would never tolerate in our own children.

The police chief knows a hell of a lot more than any of us. He's seen the cop day to day for last 10 years and even mentioned that guy went into the scene out of control. So he must have evidence that the police officer was completely worked up before even arriving at the scene. He is much, much more informed than any of us and drew the conclusion that the cop was uncontrollable and his actions were indefensible. What happened to the blue wall? Chinks are beginning to form :thumbsup:
 
And I was not disappointed. The flexibility of the english language is just amazing, it can be contorted, twisted and shaped to fit nearly any scenario, no matter how deluded it is.

kudos to the defenders of Officer Barrel Roll 🙄
 
The police chief knows a hell of a lot more than any of us. He's seen the cop day to day for last 10 years and even mentioned that guy went into the scene out of control. So he must have evidence that the police officer was completely worked up before even arriving at the scene. He is much, much more informed than any of us and drew the conclusion that the cop was uncontrollable and his actions were indefensible. What happened to the blue wall? Chinks are beginning to form :thumbsup:
Blue wall sucks but I bet you not a single one of the "excellent" 11 cops reported this guy's behavior until it got online.
 
If I'm not mistaken it is standard practice to be put on administrative leave until any investigation is done. He should receive some sort of reprimand for his language. Paperwork, small suspension, something. As a public figure you just can't talk like that to anyone. No matter if they're cussing you like a dog, you can't do it back. But I have no issues with him pulling the gun when the two males started to confront him. His yelling and cussing is what escalated it, and shouldn't have happened.

Which is why I haven't been saying he should face criminal charges but he most definitely should lose his job. If he can't handle a bunch of teenagers without going batshit crazy like he did he has no business in that kind of authority position. It's pure luck that his actions didn't get someone, including his fellow officers, hurt.
 
Funny how all the other officers didn't have two people already actively breaking the law advancing on them while subduing a suspect. Probably a lot easier to maintain your cool when you aren't being encroached upon by people disregarding the law while you enforce it.

I wonder why the other officers didn't have the same issues with multiple people? I also wonder why the other officers didn't grab those people "encroaching upon the officer disregarding the law he was trying to enforce" and instead grabbed the officer right after he drew his gun?

Seems to me the other officers tactics (you know, not running around like a fucking idiot) worked, his tactics obviously did not.
 
Blah Blah Blah -

The only action I defended was his choice to pull his weapon at the instant that he did. Its a gray area. The officer clearly thought the two guys were going after him. If any of you actually have any police training (I have) and actually recognize warning signs you would see that as well. The one guy pulling his pants up and coming after the cop? All those street bangers that wear their pants down around their ass do that before they fight. I have seen it many times. I know most of you here mean well, but a lot of you are just clueless about police work and don't know what the hell you are talking about.


Here - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dxp1n8DPm3A

Watch the guy in the black shorts run into this fight at :46 - watch how many times he does the exact same thing as the guy in front of the cop - then watch the guy in the white shirt do it at 1:28 and again at 1:45

So in a suburban pool with no violence or threats previously shown to LEO, with a dozen cops on scene and close by...umm sure same thing.

Pulling his baton out is one thing - I still think the cop used horrible judgement in even getting to that point, but ok. Pulling his firearm out is completely unjustified considering the situation and support.

Some of you may be OK with everything immediately jumping to potential lethal force, but I want my LEO to be more nuanced, especially in a suburban situation. I'm also realistic enough to give LEO in high crime areas much more leeway in protecting themselves. This situation just didn't require it at all.

I don't think it's unreasonable to expect LEO to use proportional force for situations.
 
Wonder if these accounts will carry more weight amongst some...

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/th...the-white-kids’-response-to-racism/ar-BBkSwx0

Just 14 and 15 years old, they wasted no time speaking on the record about the racist comments made by adults that they said set off the incident, and recording the discriminatory treatment they said they witnessed.

Sadly, when it comes to public opinion about the event, it's likely that these accounts have more weight coming from the white kids than from the black kids who have offered similar stories, but whom many media consumers might see as potential criminals and untrustworthy reporters of what happened

According to BuzzFeed News's David Mack's report on the incident, Grace Stone, a white 14-year-old, said when she and her friends responded to white adults' comments that the black pool party guests should return to "Section 8 [public housing]," the older women became violent.
 
Most complete version of what happened yet:

This is the backdrop of the troubling and traumatizing incident that occurred in McKinney, Texas, a suburb of Dallas, over the weekend, when 19-year-old Tatiana Rose threw a pool party and invited several friends to use the community pool in her neighborhood. Many of those friends were Black, and many of those Black friends also live in the neighborhood. At some point, as Tatiana says in a video interview, two white adult women began yelling at her and her friends to “go back where they came from,” “back to section 8 housing,” and calling them “black fuckers.” When a 14-year-old girl responded, the women further ridiculed her, prompting Tatiana to tell the adults that the girl was 14 and their comments were inappropriate. According to Tatiana’s account, the white women then approached her; one “hit her in the face” and the other began participating in the attack.

According to reports, multiple calls came into police. At least one call came from either Tatiana, her mother (who was present) or her friends, reporting that these white women had attacked the partygoers. Other calls came in from residents who reported that many Black children who were unauthorized to be there were there and fighting. Apparently, the party got larger and some children jumped over the fence to get to the party.

When the McKinney PD showed up, Officer David Eric Casebolt arrived on the scene out of control. He yelled and cursed at teenagers, who were unarmed, many of them wearing swimming trunks and bathing suits. He approached a 14-year-old girl and wrestled her to the ground as she cried and called for her mom. Even after she was seated, crying and clearly subdued, he grabbed her braids, demanded that she get on her face, and then kneeled on top of her where he remained for several minutes. It is unclear what this child did to elicit such ire, but what she did not do was verbally threaten the officer, wave a gun at him, or present a physical threat — as she is, by the look of it, just around 100 pounds, and he is a fully grown man.

When her friends attempted to come to her aid, the officer drew his gun, and waved it at them wildly and haphazardly, prompting two other officers to come over and indicate that this was inappropriate behavior. The officer stopped pointing his gun, but took several more seconds of holding it, before finally placing it back in the holster.

He has been suspended. The two adult white women who started this confrontation by reportedly slapping Tatiana Rose in the face have not been arrested or charged.

I still don't see how it calls for drawing a gun out of a holster and pointing it at unarmed kids who were not rioting or anything close to that.
 
Most complete version of what happened yet:



I still don't see how it calls for drawing a gun out of a holster and pointing it at unarmed kids who were not rioting or anything close to that.
You know that didn't happen right? He drew when two people rushed him in manner consistent with a pending attack and holstered as soon as they ran away.
 
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