Convince me that I don't want a Golf GTI

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zinfamous

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Nah, drove for 4 hours, only was able to maintain decent speed during most of the stretch between Milwaukee and Green Bay as well as a little bit south of the WI border (just hanging our with speed of traffic)

Southern WI up through Milwaukee was slow thanks to construction, traffic, and cities. Green Bay to Sturgeon Bay is a bit slower since speed limit drops down to like 65.
From my house to the interstate, the first 30min or so, is like 0-60mph....

my Subaru got 30mpg at 50-60mph, and then got 25 at 70-80, and then got like 20-22 at 80+

my computer was telling me ~41 mpg at 70-75mph on my drive back from NC. I was using 93 gas, though (not anymore--just for that first 1k miles), and probably has much more to do with the new lighter weight 0w20 oil which, ironically, is probably what is stalling the engine out.

damn, I see that I already made this comment earlier, lol.
 

BurnItDwn

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Now, when driving in the Sioux Falls, SD area, on the interstates, speed limits are all 80, and roads are very straight and tend not to be too crowded ...
my computer was telling me ~41 mpg at 70-75mph on my drive back from NC. I was using 93 gas, though (not anymore--just for that first 1k miles), and probably has much more to do with the new lighter weight 0w20 oil which, ironically, is probably what is stalling the engine out.

damn, I see that I already made this comment earlier, lol.
Yea GTI gets a lot better economy, but, its lighter and smaller ...

In the Gs 350 I get 19mpg driving to work ... was excited to see much better numbers at higher speeds :)
The GS is almsot 4000 pounds and doesnt have any fancy fuel saver tech for its v6 ... and its AWD which leeches fuel too ...

But, I dont want to deal with any problems or having to take the car to a mechanic every week ...
 

zinfamous

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Now, when driving in the Sioux Falls, SD area, on the interstates, speed limits are all 80, and roads are very straight and tend not to be too crowded ...

Yea GTI gets a lot better economy, but, its lighter and smaller ...

In the Gs 350 I get 19mpg driving to work ... was excited to see much better numbers at higher speeds :)
The GS is almsot 4000 pounds and doesnt have any fancy fuel saver tech for its v6 ... and its AWD which leeches fuel too ...

But, I dont want to deal with any problems or having to take the car to a mechanic every week ...

..I was going to say, "but your car will last more than 1k miles!"

ah, hahaha, hhahehehe, ... :(
 
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BurnItDwn

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I suspect once they figure out the "new car problems" and get things sorted for you, you hopefully will have something decently reliable .... So many people have GTIs and keep em for long long time ....
 

zinfamous

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I suspect once they figure out the "new car problems" and get things sorted for you, you hopefully will have something decently reliable .... So many people have GTIs and keep em for long long time ....

yeah, that's my plan. I gather that the reason many people keep them for a long time is that after 5 years, they have pretty much swapped out all the bits inside the engine bay for something that they have found online, perhaps quality or perhaps very dubious in nature, but spend so much time fidgeting with all parts of the car that they just teach themselves how to fix it every time they do something stupid and break it.
 

zinfamous

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Picked it back up today and it seems to be fixed. At least, it didn't stall this morning after some extensive testing, where I would have been able to make it happen rather predictably. They just did an ECM reset. They don't think there are mechanical issues (claims to have inspected the throttle body and it is working fine; another owner did a throttle body alignment and that cured his stalls for at least 3500 miles now), but VW recommended performing the ECM reset and adaptation. ...they may have already made some updates, so it essentially needed a firmware update.

we'll see. This has worked for some and not worked for others. It does appear that it was the variable intake timing area, ECM probably not reporting the proper data and when at idle, intake cam was maybe not advancing like it's supposed to, so it drops the targeted ~1k rpm to zero.
 

IronWing

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Well if the target rpm is zero then the car isn’t stalling, it’s just running really, really slow. It probably gets good mileage.
 

zinfamous

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Well if the target rpm is zero then the car isn’t stalling, it’s just running really, really slow. It probably gets good mileage.

You know this is a very good point and probably how I should start thinking about this if it persists.

I put another 300 miles or so on yesterday, driving to Cumberland MD and back, mostly highway up and fun twisty country roads on the way back. Not a single issue and it just hums along now at low speeds and idle.

Highway miles are continuing the trend of ~40mpg based on the computer predictions. Fill up yesterday, through about 150 miles on the way back, had me doing 37mpg at that point (half of this included the 3rd-4th gear twisty roads, ~40-50mph; the rest was 6th gear @75-80mph) and estimated a cool 42mpg on the entire tank in those conditions, AC on all the way.

This is a very efficient engine. I'm now curious about real world reported mpg from owners and reviewers of the 2018 GTIs, because the only real difference between the engines is the oil pump and lighter oil spec in 2019.
 
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BurnItDwn

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You know this is a very good point and probably how I should start thinking about this if it persists.

I put another 300 miles or so on yesterday, driving to Cumberland MD and back, mostly highway up and fun twisty country roads on the way back. Not a single issue and it just hums along now at low speeds and idle.

Highway miles are continuing the trend of ~40mpg based on the computer predictions. Fill up yesterday, through about 150 miles on the way back, had me doing 37mpg at that point (half of this included the 3rd-4th gear twisty roads, ~40-50mph; the rest was 6th gear @75-80mph) and estimated a cool 42mpg on the entire tank in those conditions, AC on all the way.

This is a very efficient engine. I'm now curious about real world reported mpg from owners and reviewers of the 2018 GTIs, because the only real difference between the engines is the oil pump and lighter oil spec in 2019.

This is most excellent! Hopefully no more problems anytime soon!
 

nakedfrog

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You know this is a very good point and probably how I should start thinking about this if it persists.

I put another 300 miles or so on yesterday, driving to Cumberland MD and back, mostly highway up and fun twisty country roads on the way back. Not a single issue and it just hums along now at low speeds and idle.

Highway miles are continuing the trend of ~40mpg based on the computer predictions. Fill up yesterday, through about 150 miles on the way back, had me doing 37mpg at that point (half of this included the 3rd-4th gear twisty roads, ~40-50mph; the rest was 6th gear @75-80mph) and estimated a cool 42mpg on the entire tank in those conditions, AC on all the way.

This is a very efficient engine. I'm now curious about real world reported mpg from owners and reviewers of the 2018 GTIs, because the only real difference between the engines is the oil pump and lighter oil spec in 2019.
How's it been going since then? Stalls still absent? Any buyer's remorse?
 

zinfamous

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How's it been going since then? Stalls still absent? Any buyer's remorse?

Still stall-free, after ~3.5k miles post-ECU reset.

The general update to this issue is that VW did release an official service bulletin back ~October, I think? related to the stalling issue, and tapped an ECU adaptation reset (or new software update...let's call it a tune?) to fix this.

I still haven't done it, because my stalling ended, but I did get the letter to bring it in. I never updated the dealer that everything has been going smoothly since that time. A lot of owners have mentioned that the update seems to have improved the overall stock tune--acceleration more linear, less "boggy" at times. Anecdotal user experiences have said that, inside and outside of the stalling issue, the 2019 tune seems a bit worse than the 2018 and earlier model year GTIs (though 2018 and 2019 are better direct comparisons--both mk7.5 years).

no reports of that happening with the 2020 GTIs/GLIs yet. (Still stuck on mk7.5 in the US. Europe already has mk8). Though, there are a lot of new owners of 2019 GTI reporting stalling, on cars that were supposed to have had the reset applied. Details on that sketchy.

The majority of owners seem to have had their stalling fixed with the reset. Those that had the service done, even without stalling (default thing they will do if you take your car in for any reason), have reported "improved butt dyno experience."

I just received all the junk in the mail to do my first oil change (at 4200 miles right now, but the car's birthday was 2 months ago, so I want to stick with the 1 year thing, even though I've only owned it for ~9 months).

I'm actually curious if the oil swap will toss out some issues (it shouldn't, but then I am not sure if the car came with VW 508 spec 0w20 oil, or just standard 0w20. ....this shouldn't normally make that much of a difference, but I think it could possibly be a big deal when it comes to intake timing issues that caused the stalling...especially if the ECU is now adapted to a different spec oil).

cool thing is that the only reason VW moved on this is because one individual over at Reddit forums and especially MK7 forums started a thread that kept everyone reporting, collected all of the complaints, and wrote a long letter, with all the data and owners, to the NHTSA to address the issue. They responded.

No buyer's remorse. This car is effing amazing.
 
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nakedfrog

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cool thing is that the only reason VW moved on this is because one individual over at Reddit forums and especially MK7 forums started a thread that kept everyone reporting, collected all of the complaints, and wrote a long letter, with all the data and owners, to the NHTSA to address the issue. They responded.
Nice.
No buyer's remorse. This car is effing amazing.
:beercheers:
 

zinfamous

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Thats great Zinfamous!
Glad its working well for you.
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pauldun170

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Bumping this thread because I keep window Shopping GTI's (manual only of course)
Need to convimce my self to stop and that my current car is fine and I don't want to get a GTI because
Stalling
Rev Hang
Having to deal with Direct Injection carbon build up every X amount of miles
engine failures
VW nonsense....
or somethign

@zinfamous . Please explain how your GTI is a train wreck and no one should buy it and that there is no room in the back seat and that tall people can't fit and that you caught the herpes from it.
 

zinfamous

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It is my favorite car ever! so awesome and a pleasure to drive every minute!



stalling failure has been pretty much addressed by a TSB that will automatically be scanned and applied if it hasn't, on any purchased vehicle. ....and if it doesn't happen to work on your particular GTI, it just adds to the charm!

Rev Hang is indeed pretty shitty, but can be addressed by removing the diverter valve thingy, clutch spring, and bonus: adding a stop to the floor to reduce the clutch travel.

Italian tuneup every month or so fixes your potential carbon problems for the most part....it's not as bad as it has been in the past, supposedly, and it really isn't anything you should worry about under 70k miles anyway, I think.

The back sucks for tall people, though. It does suck that they stopped making 2 doors a few years ago, especially considering that the rear legroom isn't amazing anyway. I think there is plenty of space up front, however, at least up to 6'3" or so (assuming no one wants to sit behind you).

Standard clutch is kinda weak, though. If you have thoughts of tuning up to stage 2 (maybe even 1, in some cases), you might have to replace the clutch because it can't handle much more than 280 torques, or so. ...supposedly. ...and then there is a problem, because the thrust bearings are garbage and when people replace to aftermarket clutch, crank walk becomes a real problem. VW seems adamant not to address the fact that they installed a garbage clutch assembly/crank/whatever to begin with, that is causing the bearings to blast through your engine casing if you install something heavier that can you know, handle Golf R level torque

VW is kinda nonsense, because the Mk8 GTI is kinda wack. ...maybe it will grow on people, but I don't like the all-digital cockpit and all capacitive buttons on infotainment. The front looks broke, too. That will be out for the 2022 US model year, I think? Unless we are still on 2020 Mk7.5? not sure if Mk8 comes here with 2021, as originally scheduled, but it might have been delayed--there was a serious issue with the Mk8 released in Europe market for 2020. Go figure. I forget what it was, though.

....You will still want to try and find a 2019 or 2018, though, to get the last year of People's Warranty (7 years/60k miles). back to 3 years on 2020.


....Only real issue with mine is that some freak ants have decided to turn the filler chamber and rear/front passenger doorjambs into their nest. I eat no food inside, keep that mother clean as all hell....and yet these assholes have turned it into their lair (not really the cabin, though you will see the occasional one). I noticed a group of them standing sentinel last year, outside the gas cap, when I went around to fill it...weird motherfuckers, too. locked together in a phalanx with the business end pointing up for attack. I swiped them away then forgot about them, until about 3 weeks ago when opening that rear door, which is never used, during a rain storm to load in some drywall, and noticed that the entire doorjam was swarming with terrified little bastards shuffling their larvae around.....and I don't think these are neighborhood ants. It doesn't make sense. I strongly suspect they shipped with the car from the plant in Mexico, which I know is a thing that happens (there was some TSB years ago about neon yellow spiders and Mazda cars built in Mexico--Mazda actually owned up to it).

I'm thinking of collecting them when I can (I tried to vacuum up most of the colony, but I know that isn't a real solution), smash those fuckers, extract their DNA in lab, and send them off to add to a friend's next-gen seq queue. I'm going to locate those fuckers in Mexico, very close to that plant based on their haplotype, and send that data to VW if they give me any static, lol.


Anyway, go for it! But if you do have plans to tune it for sure (I don't), then I would consider looking at a deal on a Golf R if you can find one, because you're already investing in that performance from the start, no anxiety about blasting through your engine, or stalling and all that stuff. (or illegal ants immigrating from Mexico with your car--all Golf R's are still made in Wolfsburg)
 
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zinfamous

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Anyway, go for it! But if you do have plans to tune it for sure (I don't), then I would consider looking at a deal on a Golf R if you can find one, because you're already investing in that performance from the start, no anxiety about blasting through your engine, or stalling and all that stuff. (or illegal ants immigrating from Mexico with your car--all Golf R's are still made in Wolfsburg)

seriously...I've been looking for them recently and I can't find them. No dealers selling 2019 that I can find near me (and this is big VW territory), but a few very decent used options. ....and I say that, because I'm very stupid. ...got a huge bump in pay with new job, had the stupid idea to sell this one (I'm at 60%+ paid off after just over a year, so way over on resale still), and picking up an R, lol. ...maybe even a DSG for less hassle, even though I admit that going back to manual is what has made happiness ++++ for the most part, despite the anxiety of possible garbage clutch.

But luckily, those are gone, so I think I will just spend way less money on proper tires, finally, and maybe some decent, lighter wheels?


say, @repoman0, you at all interested in a 2019 GTI SE, 6spd manual with XP package, DIB, 6k miles, and 5.5year/60k warranty? NOT TUNED!

:D

My MINO goal, though...is ~newish Golf R, wrecked Audi RS3, then swap the 5cylinder RS3 hotness into the R, because we don't get the proper RS3 in the states. .....I was given an estimate of about 100k+ all in on a project like that, though. lol.
 

nakedfrog

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I'm still quite enjoying the 2015 TDI Sportwagen I got in May.
Top MPG (manually calculated, not from the optimistic dash display) was 52.5MPG. Granted, that was at 55MPH across Nebraska (I was in a convoy with an RV), but I was also loaded with two passengers, all the stuff I could fit in the back (five guitars, a digital piano, two desktop PCs, etc), and a car top carrier with ~130lbs of stuff in it. Average over 5k miles and 15 tanks is 42.1MPG.
 
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The back sucks for tall people, though. It does suck that they stopped making 2 doors a few years ago, especially considering that the rear legroom isn't amazing anyway. I think there is plenty of space up front, however, at least up to 6'3" or so (assuming no one wants to sit behind you).
I never really thought of backseat comfort as much of a problem:
1) You're driving the car your buying, not sitting in the back seat being chauffeured around
2) I don't know about most people, but I'm also not buying a car so I can be someone's personal taxi for hours on end

I guess if you have older kids, then it can become more of an issue
 

pauldun170

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Stopped by the dealership today and sat in 18 SE to size it out. Trunk was definitely bigger than expected BUT I'm going to have to get a hitch and roof rack
Fortunately, I'm not ready to pull the trigger...because I might have made some bad decisions today lol
Still have some time before I make the jump but the VW bug is now set.
 

zinfamous

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Stopped by the dealership today and sat in 18 SE to size it out. Trunk was definitely bigger than expected BUT I'm going to have to get a hitch and roof rack
Fortunately, I'm not ready to pull the trigger...because I might have made some bad decisions today lol
Still have some time before I make the jump but the VW bug is now set.

Did you sponsor a local distillery or what?

...can't think of any other "bad decision" that warrants you walking away from a proper car purchase.
 

zinfamous

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I never really thought of backseat comfort as much of a problem:
1) You're driving the car your buying, not sitting in the back seat being chauffeured around
2) I don't know about most people, but I'm also not buying a car so I can be someone's personal taxi for hours on end

I guess if you have older kids, then it can become more of an issue

I mean, if you want your daughter(s) to get pregnant, it's worth considering.
 

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Did you sponsor a local distillery or what?

...can't think of any other "bad decision" that warrants you walking away from a proper car purchase.
lol

I won't buy anything until
- I've sat in and driven the competition
- Done a proper price check to avoid paying more than I need to.
- Discussing it with the wife so that she fully understands I'm serious this time (I talk a lot of shit...)
- Make sure I learn about the all the options ( S has Cloth seats which I like but lacks an LSD, Autobahn has power seats and climate control)

Actually, its just that 3rd one. Coming home with a car when I tell the wife I was going out to run some errands is a bad decision.
That and we've already planned out the year financially (Driveway, holiday crap) and I'm not going to disrupt that with a car purchase.
I paid cash for my current vehicle in 2008 and the same goes for the wife's car in 2018. Haven't had to deal with car payments since 2009.
 

pauldun170

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Spending way too much time on this lol
Going to save a couple of notes here and perhaps it might help others
MK7 GTI spans 2015-2020
Engine codes are as follows
  • Manufacture/Location
    • CXCA / CXCB - Silao, Mexico
    • DKFA - Silao, Mexico
  • Production Years
    • CXCA / CXCB - 2015-2018
    • DKFA - 2019+
  • CXCA / CXCB - 210 HP @ 4,500 rpm / 258 lb-ft @ 1,500 rpm
  • CXCA / CXCB w/ Performance Pack - 220 HP @ 4,700 rpm / 258 lb-ft @ 1,500 rpm
  • DKFA - 228 hp @ 4,700 rpm / 258 lb-ft @ 1,500 rpm
There are minor differences between the engines
CXCB is simply the CXCA with the w/ Performance Pack and VW did away with CXCA altogether.
Big thing the Performance pack brings is the LSD.

Version
S - base car with CXCA
S - With Performance pack will have GTI on the calipers (Pre-2017)
Next up is the 2017 Sport model which is basically the S with the performance pack as standard.
The SE - Is the sweet spot with most of the goodies
Autobahn is basically SE with a bigger infotainment screen and a bunch of crap I didn't car about looking up.

Tall people test

Sunroof equipped model traditional suck. Cracks leaks and just not worth it the hassle unless you are have a short lease.

If you want to tune the crap out of a GTI and go nuts stick with the DSG.
Manual equipped cars not only lack the clutch but reports of crankwalk on manuals with tunes seem like those thinking about tuning are better off just getting a Golf R.

eek...maybe an overall bad design

2015's appear to suffer from first year blues with reports of premature turbo failures.

Most years apparently were blessed with a leaky thermostat designs and water pumps that suck
Apparently they suck REALLY bad.
 
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