Contemplating how and why conservatives see liberals as they do:

[Jhhnn]

No, literally every degenerates knows they can do *anything*, and you'll just scapegoat their figureheads. Ponder for a while why shouldn't they be degenerate given lack of any consequences. Advocate for muslim genocide to cement their white nationalist social status and collect white welfare? Oh it's those dastardly gop bourgeois again.

If liberals are supposedly smart, why are they the only ones having trouble grasping simple self-interest? Seriously, not even buckshot/roflmouth are remotely that dumb.

You seem to think that the Alt-bright trolls here & elsewhere speak for all conservatives when that's not true at all. Even Hillary allowed that only half are deplorable.

 

[agent00f]

You really think people making $72K or, for that matter, $100K, will benefit from the GOP's policies? The only people who really benefit are way farther up than that, a vanishingly small percentage of the voters for either candidate. I stand by what I said, GOP policies are terrible for virtually everyone in this country who isn't decidedly wealthy.

Seems pretty obvious they're making bank for their relative skill level due to extraneous factors such as social status which they've been actively seeking to elevate throughout their political platform. What do you think casting a black prof with advanced ivy league degree as a kenyan muslim or his wife with two such degree as lower primate is all about? The white nationalists you carry water for certainly know what they're doing by equating mexicans=rapists, muslims=terrorist, blacks=criminals, etc. I mean those confederates and segregationists were so irrational & stupid, and you the da smart one shillin for them, amirite?

I blame disingenuous manufactured politicians who are disconnected from reality and can not relate to most peoples lives because they have their heads stuck up their bottoms. .

No, those politicians know what's up, along with just about everyone except for the liberal suckers.

 

[agent00f]

You seem to think that the Alt-bright trolls here & elsewhere speak for all conservatives when that's not true at all. Even Hillary allowed that only half are deplorable.

So where are the other half to complain the degens don't speak for them or otherwise disagree in any way?

 

[Moonbeam]

No, those politicians know what's up, along with just about everyone except for the liberal suckers.

So in other words monsters rather than misguided believers......right?, and you can tell the difference, how?.... because you have a gut feeling? It is exactly this belief that makes liberals suckers, not their ability to dispassionately and objectively assess their opposition. You just had to go off the deep end and do what they do, turn the other into monsters. The only thing that makes them monsters is the damage they do marching around like morons in their sleep, an invitation you offer others to join. Sorry chump, but I take no cure that is the disease.

jhhnn and wolfe just aren't as nuts as you are.

So where are the other half to complain the degens don't speak for them or otherwise disagree in any way?

Only cobblestones here said the blinkered horse.

 

[Roflmouth]

Conservatives have pretty much taken control of the country and it seems to have caused quite a reaction among liberals. The following piece, I think, nicely describes how conservatives see liberals:

https://patriotpost.us/articles/48898

Your assignment, should you chose to accept it, is, if you are liberal, to determine if any of the critique hits the mark, and, if conservative, state what you disagree with. It may prove difficult not to cross those lines. See if you can avoid that.

I can start by saying that the idea that the tolerance of liberals has fractured when it comes to conservatives and they do not practice that tolerance to them appears to be correct.

The left are dumber than rocks and display the emotional maturity six-year-olds, which is why the only thing they're good at is losing. HTH

 

[agent00f]

So in other words monsters rather than misguided believers......right?, and you can tell the difference, how?.... because you have a gut feeling? It is exactly this belief that makes liberals suckers, not their ability to dispassionately and objectively assess their opposition. You just had to go off the deep end and do what they do, turn the other into monsters. The only thing that makes them monsters is the damage they do marching around like morons in their sleep, an invitation you offer others to join. Sorry chump, but I take no cure that is the disease.

jhhnn and wolfe just aren't as nuts as you are.

Only cobblestones here said the blinkered horse.

Sure, those degens counting their $$ are so dumb and ur so smart to shill for them no matter what.

 

[agent00f]

The left are dumber than rocks and display the emotional maturity six-year-olds, which is why the only thing they're good at is losing. HTH

You would think even degens would have the good sense to show some gratitude toward their benefactors, or maybe that's just part of their ingratiating character that particularly stupid liberals love.

Frankly being easily outsmarted by these sorts is pretty embarrassing.

 

[Moonbeam]

The left are dumber than rocks and display the emotional maturity six-year-olds, which is why the only thing they're good at is losing. HTH

Thank you. That is what the link said and had a nice cartoon to illustrate it. But since you are a conservative, what I asked was if there were anything in that link that you yourself as a conservative felt it got wrong.

Could you, for example, get behind the idea that maybe why liberals are acting like 'uncooperative children' is because of 8 years of Republican obstruction? Keep in mind that if liberals are evil then obstructing them is good so it actually wouldn't be obstruction but fighting to prevent more evil. But if conservatives are evil then liberals would naturally see what they do in the same way, preventing more evil from happening. Couldn't liberal then just be people who have a wrong idea about what is good? You must know what it feels like when evil walks all over good. Wouldn't they feel the same way? Does being right mean it's OK to turn a blind eye to what they must suffer? For them, you are the enemy of the good and you appear to be winning.

Just asking.....

 

[Moonbeam]

You would think even degens would have the good sense to show some gratitude toward their benefactors, or maybe that's just part of their ingratiating character that particularly stupid liberals love.

Frankly being easily outsmarted by these sorts is pretty embarrassing.

You didn't know that rubbing a puppy's nose it its own shit teaches it to fear you and maybe hide when it has to go. All you ever do is try and humiliate people. It just makes them more determined to get even. Your idea of winning is to become more deplorable than those you deplore. That's a lose lose proposition.

 

[agent00f]

You didn't know that rubbing a puppy's nose it its own shit teaches it to fear you and maybe hide when it has to go. All you ever do is try and humiliate people. It just makes them more determined to get even. Your idea of winning is to become more deplorable than those you deplore. That's a lose lose proposition.

Funny how easily your lot fall for literally every trite degen game and still have the gumption to call yourselves the smart ones. If they're "dumb" what does that make you?

Speaking of which, your trite little guilt trip game only works on your level of stupid.

 

[Moonbeam]

Funny (implied mocking derision laughter rather than humor) how easily your lot (implied inferior group) fall (grammatical error should be falls) for literally every trite degen game (sweeping unsupported generalization) and still have the gumption (implied classless nerve) to call yourselves the smart ones(projection of arrogance to cover hidden feelings of inferiority). If they're "dumb" what does that make you?
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M: I am whatever it is that I am. At the moment a bit hungry for vegetables.
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Speaking of which, your trite little guilt trip game only works on your level of stupid.

M: Not my level. For that post I intentionally dropped to yours. One can't have personal pride and be a mirror.

 

[FIVR]

Moonshatted

 

[UberNeuman]

Thank you. That is what the link said and had a nice cartoon to illustrate it. But since you are a conservative, what I asked was if there were anything in that link that you yourself as a conservative felt it got wrong.

Could you, for example, get behind the idea that maybe why liberals are acting like 'uncooperative children' is because of 8 years of Republican obstruction? Keep in mind that if liberals are evil then obstructing them is good so it actually wouldn't be obstruction but fighting to prevent more evil. But if conservatives are evil then liberals would naturally see what they do in the same way, preventing more evil from happening. Couldn't liberal then just be people who have a wrong idea about what is good? You must know what it feels like when evil walks all over good. Wouldn't they feel the same way? Does being right mean it's OK to turn a blind eye to what they must suffer? For them, you are the enemy of the good and you appear to be winning.

Just asking.....

Last time I checked, Moon, Liberals aren't about to strip away heathcare from 20 million people in order to deliver tax cuts to the weathy. And then celebate it by having a beer party on the White House lawn.

 

[werepossum]

It does look like conservatives have cut through what must have only been a veneer of tolerance among liberals. The sore toes are so great everybody needs to stick them if each others faces. Can't even back off a second to consider the accuracy of what people who beat you in elections think. A recipe for losing..................

This is absolutely true, but I have a better question: Why would anyone be either liberal or conservative as a position? Who among us is so conceited and yet so stupid as to believe that half the nation is wrong on literally every issue? In my mind, this is our biggest problem. Maybe we have to choose sides (those not brave enough to say a pox on all their houses and vote Libertarian or Green), but we don't have to pretend that the side that reeks slightly less has shit that doesn't stink. Both sides have elements that shine, and elements that are absolutely horrid.

To answer your question, yes, everything that article says about the left is true. It's also true about the right. When Democrats won the Presidency, the House, and a veto-proof Senate majority (something the Pubbies have never had), the GOP didn't ask itself what positions it held that were wrong or outdated, or what positions the Dems held that were better. Nope, it studied branding and marketing. The two parties are diverging in position, true, but morally and instinctually they are very much cut from the same cloth.

 

[Moonbeam]

Last time I checked, Moon, Liberals aren't about to strip away heathcare from 20 million people in order to deliver tax cuts to the weathy. And then celebate it by having a beer party on the White House lawn.

Could you find anything in the conservative critique of liberals that might be the reason conservatives won and this impending disaster now looms. Maybe liberals are such a pain in the ass people who don't share their views and are treated as scum would rather get even than have good healthcare. Conservatives have a larger range of moral concerns than liberals yet we call them moral scum. Maybe it would be a good idea to talk to them about those concerns since they have contributed to the successful evolution of the human race.

 

[UberNeuman]

Could you find anything in the conservative critique of liberals that might be the reason conservatives won and this impending disaster now looms. Maybe liberals are such a pain in the ass people who don't share their views and are treated as scum would rather get even than have good healthcare. Conservatives have a larger range of moral concerns than liberals yet we call them moral scum. Maybe it would be a good idea to talk to them about those concerns since they have contributed to the successful evolution of the human race.

What do conservatives want? What are they bringing to the table? Again, Liberals aren't having a beer party over stripping Heath Care from those that need it. Or removing the rights of gays and lesbians and trans-genders, or attempting to remove support from Planted Parenthood. Or going after muslims and mexicans and blacks. Or attacking sciences/pushing a religion above all.

It takes two to tango, so what do conservatives want from liberals....

 

[Moonbeam]

This is absolutely true, but I have a better question: Why would anyone be either liberal or conservative as a position? Who among us is so conceited and yet so stupid as to believe that half the nation is wrong on literally every issue? In my mind, this is our biggest problem. Maybe we have to choose sides (those not brave enough to say a pox on all their houses and vote Libertarian or Green), but we don't have to pretend that the side that reeks slightly less has shit that doesn't stink. Both sides have elements that shine, and elements that are absolutely horrid.

To answer your question, yes, everything that article says about the left is true. It's also true about the right. When Democrats won the Presidency, the House, and a veto-proof Senate majority (something the Pubbies have never had), the GOP didn't ask itself what positions it held that were wrong or outdated, or what positions the Dems held that were better. Nope, it studied branding and marketing. The two parties are diverging in position, true, but morally and instinctually they are very much cut from the same cloth.

Thank you for taking a crack at what you find right about the content of the link.

Personally, I can't share in your equivalency argument and I think I just felt my way to the reason:

We can say that the left differs from the right on policy along an x axis, but differs also between libertarian and authoritarian, the y axis.

To me authoritarianism is based on fear that manifests as fanaticism and hate and collective herding. What we are witnessing in terms of polarization that is identical but mirror imaged, is among this group, the ones who make the most noise. So while the tactics and disparaging treatment of the other is identical, the policies argued over are not as you said.

The ideal in my opinion resolves at a higher level of appreciation. We should conserve what isn't broken and improve what isn't as good as it could be and the way to do that is via the application of educated reason with input from both sides. Not everybody's opinion is equal. Respect, dialog and careful listening build trust and consensus.

Fear of the other creates an emotional need to express and delight in hate. Those who do that on either side are similarly ugly because down that road lies the justification of anything.

 

[Moonbeam]

What do conservatives want? What are they bringing to the table? Again, Liberals aren't having a beer party over stripping Heath Care from those that need it. Or removing the rights of gays and lesbians and trans-genders, or attempting to remove support from Planted Parenthood. Or going after muslims and mexicans and blacks. Or attacking sciences/pushing a religion above all.

It takes two to tango, so what do conservatives want from liberals....

It takes two to tango but that is a dance in which one of the dancers has to bend over backward,

I think that conservatives want the same thing as liberals do to an ever increasing degree, the complete and total destruction of the other side. Total victory.

When you spoke of the impending health care disaster I thought to myself, it hasn't happened yet and keeps looking more and more hopeless a dream for the other side. I think what you are missing out on is that we have already won. Health care is a human right and win or lose this round, we will still move to better and better care, if we survive as a species, because the empathy that creates the sense it is a human right is inborn and will always surface. Humanity lives in darkness but is heliotropic. The truth will always pull us. We fear evil because we were badly hurt when we truly were innocent and open to our real potential. We got put in cages.

 

[UberNeuman]

It takes two to tango but that is a dance in which one of the dancers has to bend over backward,

I think that conservatives want the same thing as liberals do to an ever increasing degree, the complete and total destruction of the other side. Total victory.

When you spoke of the impending health care disaster I thought to myself, it hasn't happened yet and keeps looking more and more hopeless a dream for the other side. I think what you are missing out on is that we have already won. Health care is a human right and win or lose this round, we will still move to better and better care, if we survive as a species, because the empathy that creates the sense it is a human right is inborn and will always surface. Humanity lives in darkness but is heliotropic. The truth will always pull us. We fear evil because we were badly hurt when we truly were innocent and open to our real potential. We got put in cages.

You've totally sidestepped anything I've said. But if you're okay with the collateral damage, so be it.

 

[agent00f]

Funny (implied mocking derision laughter rather than humor) how easily your lot (implied inferior group) fall (grammatical error should be falls) for literally every trite degen game (sweeping unsupported generalization) and still have the gumption (implied classless nerve) to call yourselves the smart ones(projection of arrogance to cover hidden feelings of inferiority). If they're "dumb" what does that make you?
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M: I am whatever it is that I am. At the moment a bit hungry for vegetables.

No, it's obvious from your own posts that you found some strays to rescue, ie a religious zealot looking to take after jesus and convert roflmouth/chuck into the fold.

Speaking of which, your trite little guilt trip game only works on your level of stupid.

M: Not my level. For that post I intentionally dropped to yours. One can't have personal pride and be a mirror.

Religious zealots are programmed to assume their righteousness & dunning kruger intellect no matter the objective reality, it's certainly an appeal of the realm. I mean, just look at your fellow christian buckshot. He's pretty much indistinguishable from you while carrying water for sons of the confederacy.

 

[Moonbeam]

You've totally sidestepped anything I've said. But if you're okay with the collateral damage, so be it.

I asked you to tell me if there were anything in the link you could agree with. You sidestepped that. I suggested doing so will only decrease your capacity to formulate a message that can counter what conservatives believe. That inability, in my opinion, is why there is collateral damage, why they win and may continue to.

 

[agent00f]

You've totally sidestepped anything I've said. But if you're okay with the collateral damage, so be it.

The basic truth is when the nazis were on the rise, the church was all about the forget and forgive their sins same as moonbeam here; zero surprise. In his own words it's merely "thought crime", even though these same shits did what they can with their muslim ban. Same for the confederacy and so on; pretty obvious what's going on with the religious looking out for their own interests over that of society at large. Times change, people less so.

This is absolutely true, but I have a better question: Why would anyone be either liberal or conservative as a position? Who among us is so conceited and yet so stupid as to believe that half the nation is wrong on literally every issue? In my mind, this is our biggest problem. Maybe we have to choose sides (those not brave enough to say a pox on all their houses and vote Libertarian or Green), but we don't have to pretend that the side that reeks slightly less has shit that doesn't stink. Both sides have elements that shine, and elements that are absolutely horrid.

To answer your question, yes, everything that article says about the left is true. It's also true about the right. When Democrats won the Presidency, the House, and a veto-proof Senate majority (something the Pubbies have never had), the GOP didn't ask itself what positions it held that were wrong or outdated, or what positions the Dems held that were better. Nope, it studied branding and marketing. The two parties are diverging in position, true, but morally and instinctually they are very much cut from the same cloth.

It's pretty safe to say that sons of the confederacy & their low edu/iq peer group aren't right about much compared to actual thinkers. This is about as controversial as saying a textbook written by mathematician is more right about math than the klan's opinion on the matter. Of course politics isn't about being right. It's about attracting votes through shared common interest just as you've evidently attracted chucky's.

 

[UberNeuman]

I asked you to tell me if there were anything in the link you could agree with. You sidestepped that. I suggested doing so will only decrease your capacity to formulate a message that can counter what conservatives believe. That inability, in my opinion, is why there is collateral damage, why they win and may continue to.

What you and others never seem to realise that progress never happens overnight. It takes time, and pain... you can't have it now... and, what you have now is a cult of followers that will gladly tear apart everything done in the name of progress.... and that site you've quoted in your link is the same trash that wants to pass as news yet is the worse kind of propaganda...

But hey, let the bodies hit the floor... in the esoteric quest of self-religiousness.

 

[agent00f]

It's just a simple fact that religious zealots like moonbeam will cite stormfront if need be to advance their divine agenda, or even embrace genocide as long as it means enough converts. People take him for a liberal, but earthly concerns stack rank low vs. what comes next to the devout. This has all sorts of historical precedent--nothing new under the sun here.

 

[Moonbeam]

What you and others never seem to realise that progress never happens overnight. It takes time, and pain... you can't have it now... and, what you have now is a cult of followers that will gladly tear apart everything done in the name of progress.... and that site you've quoted in your link is the same trash that wants to pass as news yet is the worse kind of propaganda...

But hey, let the bodies hit the floor... in the esoteric quest of self-religiousness.

Actually I am trying to get rid of self righteousness. It is what justifies hate. The bodies are hitting the floor because liberal hate is the creation of conservative hate ad creates it in turn. The world is being sucked into a black hole of madness by hate of the other and the event horizon keeps expanding.