Contagion spreading among the vaccinated

[zzyzxroad]

Start by learning the difference between facts and opinions. Think you can handle that?

He seems to only consume right wing propaganda. Do you honestly think that will ever change? At this point it seems clear, he isn't pretending to be stupid.

 

[Zorba]

So the coroner in a small Missouri county removed COVID as CoD from some death certificates "at the request" of family members of the deceased.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/missouri-county-coroner-removed-covid-110916037.html

The reason given is strange.



They were upset about not being able to visit their loved ones in the hospital, and it then follows that they...didn't want COVID listed as a cause of death? Because they didn't want to be "reminded" of the trauma, because they spend all their time staring at their relative's death certificates?

Or how about this: they didn't want people to know that their unvaccinated loved ones died of COVID because it makes it look like they were responsible for their own deaths? Sounds a lot more plausible to me!

Yeah, when I read that I was wondering if they planned on framing it or something.

 

[VashHT]

Yeah, when I read that I was wondering if they planned on framing it or something.

Maybe they just believe the lie that non covid deaths are being listed as covid deaths and made up a BS reason to change it.

 

[manly]

Yeah, when I read that I was wondering if they planned on framing it or something.

Diploma for graduation from life. Next stop, heaven or hell?

 

[darkswordsman17]

I honestly believe he’s not capable of figuring out when a source of information is good or not. I suspect confirmation bias plays a huge role in his research and learning.

He knows both the article and sources he's using are stupid and full of shit, which is why he basically never actually bothers to read them before posting them. He doesn't care because you people keep playing who's on first routines everytime he does it. Which, don't get me wrong, he is stupid, but he absolutely knows how full of shit he and the garbage he posts is. That's the point, to make you waste your time sifting through the garbage.

 

[Jaskalas]

Of course, most are naturally going to presume he was an anti-vaxxer.

Right winger spouting anti-government, anti-mask, anti-vax nonsense.
Of course you would rush to their defense by pretending otherwise. Birds of a feather.

 

[Muse]

He knows both the article and sources he's using are stupid and full of shit, which is why he basically never actually bothers to read them before posting them. He doesn't care because you people keep playing who's on first routines everytime he does it. Which, don't get me wrong, he is stupid, but he absolutely knows how full of shit he and the garbage he posts is. That's the point, to make you waste your time sifting through the garbage.

So, let me ask: Why not put him on Ignore?

 

[darkswordsman17]

So, let me ask: Why not put him on Ignore?

When that actually accomplishes anything worthwhile let me know. Question for you, how does that solve the problem that he can make one shitpost and we'll get pages of people like you responding to it? I have to sift through people spreading his bullshit for him.

 

[woolfe9998]

So I mentioned in a unrelated thread about going to two country western bars last week while in Ohio on vacation. Well, the day after we left Ohio, my sister-in-law wakes up with 102.5 fever. We had hugged her the day before when she dropped us off at the airport. Being an RN, she was fully vaxxed before we were. She tested positive for COVID. She has not needed hospitalization yet, and as of today she says she's feeling better. My wife and I remain asymptomatic, as does her husband. All fully vaxxed.

Since we stayed at her house, rode with her in a car to the airport, and had direct physical contact, my guess is we both have COVID and are for the time being asymptomatic. Last contact was 5 days ago, so crossing my fingers here.

It's a good thing she was vaxxed. She's been pretty sick these past few days and I can't imagine how much worse it would have been.

Best theory is that she contracted it in the bar Friday night. She likely didn't get it at work as she had taken the entire week off. I was an idiot for going into that place, crowded to the brim with rednecks, 100% unmasked, and who I'm guessing were 30% vaccinated at best. I agree with CDC's recommendation for indoor masking of the vaccinated, given this highly infectious delta variant.

I'm so sick of these people refusing to get vaccinated. They can't die off soon enough so far as I'm concerned.

 

[Muse]

When that actually accomplishes anything worthwhile let me know. Question for you, how does that solve the problem that he can make one shitpost and we'll get pages of people like you responding to it? I have to sift through people spreading his bullshit for him.

OK, that's happening RIGHT NOW. I'm letting you know how and why that DOES accomplish a whole lot:

I DO have him on Ignore. I can sidestep the posts of people responding to him. I do NOT UNIGNORE his posts, so I don't know what other people are responding to. I do scan some of the responses to his posts, but am not engaged in the outrage, etc. It saves me time, aggravation, being sidetracked by shitfights. So, again, why not put him on Ignore? Believe me, if a whole lot more people would put him on ignore he'd be much less a problem, he'd be a mere footnote.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Tennessee Children’s Hospitals are going to be full next week
“Which ones?”

MSN

The utter lack of responsibility regarding getting vaccinated is beyond frustrating. Now admittedly those going to a Children’s Hospital have a high probability of not being eligible for vaccination. The fact that so many around them have completely failed is irritating.

 

[Muse]

Tennessee Children’s Hospitals are going to be full next week
“Which ones?”

MSN

The utter lack of responsibility regarding getting vaccinated is beyond frustrating. Now admittedly those going to a Children’s Hospital have a high probability of not being eligible for vaccination. The fact that so many around them have completely failed is irritating.

Tennessee is a beautiful state full of shitheads and idiots, including the governor.

 

[Zorba]

Tennessee Children’s Hospitals are going to be full next week
“Which ones?”

MSN

The utter lack of responsibility regarding getting vaccinated is beyond frustrating. Now admittedly those going to a Children’s Hospital have a high probability of not being eligible for vaccination. The fact that so many around them have completely failed is irritating.

Tennessee has been the worst state about discouraging all vaccinations from the top. Fired the head of the vaccination program after she sent something to doctors letting them know state law allows teens to consent to vacation. Then health department removed all pro vacation material for all diseases.

Tennessee is so redneck it makes Oklahoma seem Yankee.

 

[Fanatical Meat]

I have heard this statement twice in the news and once on the broadcast news.
I find it incredibly selfish and well board line lying.

“No COVID cases thru my door”
“Masks are killing my business” now I agree a wearing a mask at a spin class is probably pretty irritating it ignores the fact that it slows transmission and keeps other businesses open.

MSN

Exactly how does one know they haven’t been the cause of any infections? What process do they have in place to be able to make the statement “no covid thru my door” or similar?
Also wouldn't it be smart to say “We have followed all protocols and we have had no infections” the protocols are obviously working

 

[hal2kilo]

Tennessee has been the worst state about discouraging all vaccinations from the top. Fired the head of the vaccination program after she sent something to doctors letting them know state law allows teens to consent to vacation. Then health department removed all pro vacation material for all diseases.

Tennessee is so redneck it makes Oklahoma seem Yankee.

Hillbilly heaven.

 

[Muse]

I have heard this statement twice in the news and once on the broadcast news.
I find it incredibly selfish and well board line lying.

“No COVID cases thru my door”
“Masks are killing my business” now I agree a wearing a mask at a spin class is probably pretty irritating it ignores the fact that it slows transmission and keeps other businesses open.

MSN

Exactly how does one know they haven’t been the cause of any infections? What process do they have in place to be able to make the statement “no covid thru my door” or similar?
Also wouldn't it be smart to say “We have followed all protocols and we have had no infections” the protocols are obviously working

The pandemic has highlighted the incredible disparities in intelligence and honesty of the populace. Some people "get it," many people will never "get it." I look at and hear Keven McCarthy (god forsaken minority leader from my state CA) and cannot help but loath him. DeSantis, ditto.

Now, I'm one of the lucky ones in that I'm not personally feeling pinched by restrictions beyond having to social distance, mask and vax. It wouldn't be as easy to disparage the naysayers if I were.

 

[skyking]

So I mentioned in a unrelated thread about going to two country western bars last week while in Ohio on vacation. Well, the day after we left Ohio, my sister-in-law wakes up with 102.5 fever. We had hugged her the day before when she dropped us off at the airport. Being an RN, she was fully vaxxed before we were. She tested positive for COVID. She has not needed hospitalization yet, and as of today she says she's feeling better. My wife and I remain asymptomatic, as does her husband. All fully vaxxed.

Since we stayed at her house, rode with her in a car to the airport, and had direct physical contact, my guess is we both have COVID and are for the time being asymptomatic. Last contact was 5 days ago, so crossing my fingers here.

It's a good thing she was vaxxed. She's been pretty sick these past few days and I can't imagine how much worse it would have been.

Best theory is that she contracted it in the bar Friday night. She likely didn't get it at work as she had taken the entire week off. I was an idiot for going into that place, crowded to the brim with rednecks, 100% unmasked, and who I'm guessing were 30% vaccinated at best. I agree with CDC's recommendation for indoor masking of the vaccinated, given this highly infectious delta variant.

I'm so sick of these people refusing to get vaccinated. They can't die off soon enough so far as I'm concerned.

Please get tested. I know, you are probably isolating now but it would be good to know for sure.

On a more somber note, the husband of my wife's work friend died yesterday after 10 days in the hospital and only a day or so on the vent. he was 65 and compromised, and vaccinated.
He likely did everything right but got lax with the masks and contacts. People are letting their guard down.

 

[BoomerD]

We were going to go visit our grandkids in California in a couple of weeks...our 17 year old grandson was exposed and is in quarantine, (his dad refused to let him get vaccinated) and our 22 year old vaccinated grandson has the COVID, and is fighting some serious health issues POSSIBLY related to either the COVID or the Pfizer vaccine....preliminary diagnosis is sinus arrhythmia and costal chondritis. (still undetermined which is the cause) BUT, one or both could be related to issues he had 10 years ago. I remember him having to wear a heart monitor for a month or so. No idea why it was ordered...or what the outcome was. In any event, not ideal for someone with COVID...even vaccinated. He's not hospitalized (yet) but has been sick as hell.
From the CDC:

• Since April 2021, there have been more than a thousand reports to the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) of cases of inflammation of the heart—called myocarditis and pericarditis—happening after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (i.e., Pfizer-BioNTech, Moderna) in the United States.

he's still got a lot of testing with the docs before they can say exactly what's going on...or why.

We've cancelled our trip for now.

 

[pmv]

What I find disconcerting and confusing is the very _rarity_ of the bad vaccine reactions. It would actually make more sense to me if the negative outcomes were far more common.

Do they understand the _mechanism_ by which some people have bad responses to the vaccines? I find it weird that some people's systems react so seriously differently to the same phenomenon. Seems to emphasise how different every human is, from a medical (genetic?) point-of-view.

 

[Muse]

Please get tested. I know, you are probably isolating now but it would be good to know for sure.

On a more somber note, the husband of my wife's work friend died yesterday after 10 days in the hospital and only a day or so on the vent. he was 65 and compromised, and vaccinated.
He likely did everything right but got lax with the masks and contacts. People are letting their guard down.

Damn! I am NOT letting my guard down. There's a big family shindig this weekend 500 miles from me and I RSVP'd that I'm not coming. I figured Delta would be spiking. I'm at risk by virtue of age but otherwise not. Even if I were 40 I don't think I'd want to go. My family are educated. I don't know what they're doing except for a few but figure they're all vaxxed. But how do I know about the whole bunch going to the events? There might be triple figures including friends and whatnot. Then there's the travel. Fuck it. Masks, wondering if you can hug someone... Social distancing... It's for the birds. Haven't seen those people since Thanksgiving 2019, no actually March 1, 2020 (similar shintig to this weekend), and I was nervous then TBH. That was 2 weeks before California got the first stay at home advisories. I figure good chance I skip TG this year. I have plenty to be thankful for. Trying to STAY HEALTHY!

 

[Zorba]

What I find disconcerting and confusing is the very _rarity_ of the bad vaccine reactions. It would actually make more sense to me if the negative outcomes were far more common.

Do they understand the _mechanism_ by which some people have bad responses to the vaccines? I find it weird that some people's systems react so seriously differently to the same phenomenon. Seems to emphasise how different every human is, from a medical (genetic?) point-of-view.

Same happens with viruses too. Perfectly healthy people get myocarditis from random cold viruses, even though the vast majority of people get a runny nose.

 

[Zorba]

It really pisses me if the two most visible governors trying to improve the COVID situation have gotten fucked over, one already out and the other likely to be out. Meanwhile the governors actively helping the virus will likely be re-elected. Just shows how fucked we are as a country.

People will attack Cuomo over how he reported nursing home deaths, while not saying anything about southern states actively bullshiting their death numbers. Oklahoma was sending covid patients back to nursing homes in December, but we all have to act like it was only Cuomo, who did it at the very beginning with completely over ran hospitals.

 

[Muse]

It really pisses me if the two most visible governors trying to improve the COVID situation have gotten fucked over, one already out and the other likely to be out. Meanwhile the governors actively helping the virus will likely be re-elected. Just shows how fucked we are as a country.

People will attack Cuomo over how he reported nursing home deaths, while not saying anything about southern states actively bullshiting their death numbers. Oklahoma was sending covid patients back to nursing homes in December, but we all have to act like it was only Cuomo, who did it at the very beginning with completely over ran hospitals.

Yeah, Cuomo. Well, he waited too long to get heavy handed with the pandemic but when he did, he did it right. He's a sexual predator, but as those go he's soft core. Still, that's a bad bad thing. The nursing home thing, not good but relatively minor. All this is nothing like our DeSatan and Greg Abbott, those guys deserve a special place in hell where the torture never stops.

 

[pmv]

Same happens with viruses too. Perfectly healthy people get myocarditis from random cold viruses, even though the vast majority of people get a runny nose.

That kind of makes sense - presumably the same random chance involved with viruses or vaccines, as to whether the effect actually reaches the heart?. Though there's also the AZ vaccine's rare "Brain blood clot" thing. Very glad I didn't hear about that before getting the jab, given at the time I got it my brain was probably still healing from the surgery, so I'd have been extra worried about it (as it is I didn't give it a second thought, and didn't notice any side-effects at all).

Again, though, the strange thing to me is how extremely rare that outcome is. I'd expect such things to either happen a lot or not at all. And is it a function of random chance for each instance, or of random differences between people? i.e. would a given individual always get the bad outcome when vaccinated with a given vaccine, or is it a fresh roll of the dice (albeit umpteen-million-sided-dice, that even the most hard-core D&D player won't have in their collection) every injection?

 

[skyking]

Same happens with viruses too. Perfectly healthy people get myocarditis from random cold viruses, even though the vast majority of people get a runny nose.

"raises hand"
Scary stuff, chest pains and the full meal deal trip to the cath lab because they could not hear it.

@Muse we are not letting down our guard either. Our friend has several grandchildren and that was most likely the vector. That is sad shit when you kill grandpa.