Consumer 7nm GPUs from AMD are late 2019 to early 2020

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maddie

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One thing I'd be pretty confident about is that the actual price will be as high as AMD can get away with - AMD are a company who badly need to make money and grow their margins. So if it's a $250 gpu then it's going to have $250 performance. If it's got 2080 performance it won't cost $250.

Anyone claiming otherwise is just stoking the AMD hype train based around the mythology that AMD somehow care about their users more then profits.
The $250 price seems a it low when compared to the $199 price point, however, normal rules or expectations don't apply when your marketshare is in the basement. AMD aiming mainly for margins at first is a poor strategy in my opinion. The CPU division is rocking, so no fear of low cashflow or profits going forward. They need a bigger presence in the gaming world ASAP.

Also, I remember a rumor on 28nm where Nvidia had first call on wafers due to their bigger demand affecting AMD sales. Perhaps AMD aims to reverse this on early 7nm by fabbing all their CPUs & GPUs at TSMC. If Nvidia can't get enough to do a mainstream GPU soon, they'll have a clear advantage.
 
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History seems to show us that when AMD announces a $250 card that "competes" with a $500 card from Nvidia, it usually only "competes" in a small handful of games that are specifically optimized for AMD drivers. In most mainstream games, the $500 Nvidia card will still blow it away.

That said, any competition from AMD is a good thing... it means that we'll get cheaper video cards overall.
 

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There is something to be said for a strong release on the almost-magical $200 and $250 marks. At the same time, they won't underprice themselves if they think they can realistically get more while still being less than nVidia. I don't see $250 being the release price but maybe it settles to that in time.
 

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History seems to show us that when AMD announces a $250 card that "competes" with a $500 card from Nvidia, it usually only "competes" in a small handful of games that are specifically optimized for AMD drivers. In most mainstream games, the $500 Nvidia card will still blow it away.

That said, any competition from AMD is a good thing... it means that we'll get cheaper video cards overall.
Competition would be great, but the recent drop of both future GPU and CPU "leaks" from AMD appear to be little more than the kind of wishful thinking fans come up with.

If you look at both sets, AMD will supposedly be giving us the CPU, GPU and APU configurations matching everyone's dreams (within reason), at prices better than anyone would expect.

Which goes back to the old saying: "If it seems to good to be true, it probably is".
 
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Hey... I'm just glad that the GPU mined crypto market tanked. Otherwise, these "$250" video cards would be selling for $500 next year and you would have to wait three months for them to arrive.
 
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PeterScott

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^ Me too, but we are still suffering the lingering after effects of Crypto pricing. GTX 1060 is an OLD card, it should be WAY down from MSRP, but it isn't.
 
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^ Me too, but we are still suffering the lingering after effects of Crypto pricing. GTX 1060 is an OLD card, it should be WAY down from MSRP, but it isn't.
Check eBay, used 6GB 1060's are down to $160 now.
 
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The quote doesn't support your time frame....Nor your agenda.
We all know what his agenda is when it comes to AMD so take his posts with a large grain of salt.
 

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With these rumors of the RX 3xxx series, where is the 2nd Navi 10 GPU? There is only one Navi 10 model, the RX 3080, and AMD always sell full and cut die. With the introduction of the RX x90 line, is there a RX 3090 full Navi 10 coming later when yields improve a bit?
 

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Ebay is not something I bother with, and it should be $160 new by now.
$160 new, while not on sale, w/ 2 free games , and the top models. We should be looking at fire sales on 1060's and 580's. Instead we get card's to fill in gaps in pricing structure like the 1060 GDDR5X and the 590. We haven't had a movement in the larger mainstream segment ($250 and under) since fall 2012 and the clearance sales of 7950s. Someone who bought a 7950 in Oct 2012 for sub $150 ( as low as $120) has not had an upgrade option at that price point since.
 
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$160 new, while not on sale, w/ 2 free games , and the top models. We should be looking at fire sales on 1060's and 580's. Instead we get card's to fill in gaps in pricing structure like the 1060 GDDR5X and the 590. We haven't had a movement in the larger mainstream segment ($250 and under) since fall 2012 and the clearance sales of 7950s. Someone who bought a 7950 in Oct 2012 for sub $150 ( as low as $120) has not had an upgrade option at that price point since.
I don’t see that happening until the 2060 is released and retailers are trying to clear out their legacy stock.
 

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I don’t see that happening until the 2060 is released and retailers are trying to clear out their legacy stock.
Wasn’t the rumor that NVidia was stuck with a lot of 1060s after the mining bubble burst? They wouldnt want to release the 2060 until that stock of theirs gets thinned out.

Everyone is waiting for everyone else to blink. NVidia won’t move until they have to and that’s not going to be until they think AMD will have a new card soon.
 

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We're already 3 months out from the 2080 launch w/ no info on a 2060, a TU107/8 or a further cut down TU106. What we are actually getting is a another cut GP104 in the form of 1060 GDDR5X. The further we go into 2019 the less chance we see a 2060 on 12nm and a greater chance we'll see a whole new lineup on 7nm at the end of 2019 or early 2020. I am seriously itching for a full system upgrade and in my opinion my choices are meh. Should have bought a 1080ti at release and passed the 1070 down to the wife.
 

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More than rumours - they admitted to it last financial reporting. Also apparently said that Pascal production is due to end soon so I guess we'll see something.

You'd have thought they'd have wanted a notebook chip for Xmas. Oh well!
 

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I guess Nvidia can sell all the 1060's they've got piled up without needing to reduce prices over Christmas, meantime stockpiling 2060's which will sell like hotcakes whenever they are released. That's good for AMD as at least they have something competitive with the 1060. Consumer wise we would have seen the 2060 now at a competitive price if AMD was able to do something other then re-release the same card for the 3rd time.

*edit* it's interesting we are seeing mobile 2060 rumours appearing before the desktop ones. Obviously Nvidia has less mobile 1060's left to sell, I'm guessing because mobile chips weren't used for mining.
 
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The leaker on Chiphell, who leaked the Polaris on 12 process info, claims that core/CU count is different.

Its no more 64 cores/CU.
 

Mopetar

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So for people not wanting to click on the link:

The tweet claims that Navi is not GCN eg. a new CU design which probably also gets away of the ROP limits and increases efficiency. That at least makes the leaks more believable as the power figures stated are way too good to just be another shrunk GCN part.
That's probably a better piece of news (assuming its true) than anything else that's been leaked so far. GCN was getting a bit long in the tooth. Hopefully the success of Ryzen will given AMD more to work with for Radeon R&D.
 

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Shopping for low profile mid tier gaming card to use as graphics accelerator in a sff, I am shock at AMD lack of user comments and generally bad reviews of the RX 560 vs. glowing comments on the GTX 1050 TI competitor. Yes the 1050 ti been out two years ahead of the RX 560 but still no AMD impact from the comments. Most have purchase the 560 with $50 off of a $150ish retail price.
 
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Hey... I'm just glad that the GPU mined crypto market tanked. Otherwise, these "$250" video cards would be selling for $500 next year and you would have to wait three months for them to arrive.
Heck yes. Still droves of GPUs hitting from miners finally giving up. And if ETH prices tick up again, Lavasnow and other advanced ASICs can be ramped up to make the idea extinction, just as it did to Bitcoin mining.

AMD better have a plan to compete not with RTX 20xx though. Nvidia is almost certainly sandbagging with this release, due to oversupply of 10 series and depressed pricing support (only extreme bleeding edge types buy 20xx, and 1080ti makes 2080 price look iffy, ditto 1080 vs 2070, 1070ti vs 2060 probably).

But late 2019-2020ish? If RTX 20xx is a stopgap release to be followed by a major leap, as I suspect, then it will take an FX > Zen type of leap to get to relevance. I really hope it works out for them, because that helps everyone. Linus made the point that Intel during their long defacto monopoly didn't raise prices beyond inflation (actually got cheaper year by year considering $ value), yet Nvidia has been steadily cranking prices up gen upon gen.
 

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But late 2019-2020ish? If RTX 20xx is a stopgap release to be followed by a major leap, as I suspect
I'm not so sure; maybe if Ampere has a big die efficiency gain. 7 nm is pretty expensive even accounting for the shrink.
 

maddie

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Heck yes. Still droves of GPUs hitting from miners finally giving up. And if ETH prices tick up again, Lavasnow and other advanced ASICs can be ramped up to make the idea extinction, just as it did to Bitcoin mining.

AMD better have a plan to compete not with RTX 20xx though. Nvidia is almost certainly sandbagging with this release, due to oversupply of 10 series and depressed pricing support (only extreme bleeding edge types buy 20xx, and 1080ti makes 2080 price look iffy, ditto 1080 vs 2070, 1070ti vs 2060 probably).

But late 2019-2020ish? If RTX 20xx is a stopgap release to be followed by a major leap, as I suspect, then it will take an FX > Zen type of leap to get to relevance. I really hope it works out for them, because that helps everyone. Linus made the point that Intel during their long defacto monopoly didn't raise prices beyond inflation (actually got cheaper year by year considering $ value), yet Nvidia has been steadily cranking prices up gen upon gen.
The problem with any public company is ultimately the need to chase margin if you already have the market locked. With the recent massive loss in share value, can or will Nvidia, sell at prices that preclude a profit for AMD? In the consumer market, they can't make more profit by dropping prices/margins to increase sales. I think they need the sales ratio to be challenged before becoming more price competitive.
 

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So wccftech is claiming they have confirmed AMD will release a consumer GPU at CES.

https://wccftech.com/amd-launching-ryzen-3000-series-cpus-apus-radeon-gpu-ces/

It's wccftech so it's most likely clickbait but it is interesting. It's (supposedly) going to be a 7nm variant of Vega 20. It would be really nice and it could be plausible as it would act as a 7nm pipe cleaner for moving to Navi. But seeing how AMD has flat out said not to expect a 7nm consumer GPU until after a few other things come out, I just don't believe its for real. If AMD announces any GPU at CES it will be the Pro version and not for gamers/consumers.
 

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