conspiracy or not?

FrankRamiro

Senior member
Sep 5, 2012
718
8
76
Spycrosoft windowze 10 will be like OSX 10.9 or 10.10 and REQUIRE a hotmail account or in the case of OSX and Apple Account.

http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkID=507380

New Hotmail accounts REQURE a phone Number that they can Text to.

More Disturbing is their Privacy statement or lack therof.

Their Location Disservice.

Their Turning on your camera and Microphone.

“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data(GeekSPEAK For Mic and Camera); and application usage."

The company also adds how agreeing to the the permissions, it is also asserting its right to collect users’ voice data and information about the files users open.

They sample keystrokes and voice commands (Like a website to your bank, the login, and password.) So 10 has built in keylogger and video and audio surveilance.

We may disclose information and content to Microsoft affiliates and vendors; when required by law or to respond to valid legal process like suing you for pirating our software and we may refer the matter to law enforcement.

The data collection and Anti privacy features are turned ON automatically and you do not have the ability to OPT OUT or turn these features off. (In plain english use of these apps is consent to monitoring.)

In plain english they reserve the right to have your Full Name, Location, Phone Number, Picture of you, Sample of your voiceprint, websites you visit like your bank, your Skype calls, your naughty sites, and "samples" of your keystrokes aka your login and password.

Mr. Fox said:
@Name Redacted, as a matter of public interest, this kind of condemnation needs to be posted in a freely accessible, Googlicious public forum. It won't fix stupid, but it might cause a few intelligent people to think twice before downloading the latest and greatest malware from Windoze Corruptdate or upgrading their OS. Letting Micro$haft have free reign is like an electronic version of having unprotected sensual contact with a new stranger every night.

So, we see their true colors are finally shining through as we approach RTM. No wonder they are planning to give it away. It's all part of their diabolical plan. The adware-infested Modern Apps have proven the sheeple are ready for Phase II. They should call it Microsoft Skynet 666 instead of Windows 10.

Isn't it amazing what selling your soul can get you for "free" LOL? They will have their own zombie-bot fleet, complete with official signed drivers and firmware, ready to harvest personal information for the Redmond Mafia and eavesdrop for the federal government as necessary... subject to subpoena, or the "Patriot Act" of course. But, like Ragu, it's in there.

I'll gladly stick with my older, less "secure" spyware-free Micro$haft operating systems, thank you very much. Just because it is "authorized" for what some might regard as a good cause does not mean that it is actually OK or a good cause. Spyware is spyware no matter if the guys are wearing a white hat or a black hat and covering their faces with a bandanna.

Oh, but Mr. Fox, it's going to have DirectX 12... OMG, OMG!! DirectX 12! LOL.
 

OlyAR15

Senior member
Oct 23, 2014
982
242
116
I think your tin foil hat is affecting the circulation to your brain.
 

FrankRamiro

Senior member
Sep 5, 2012
718
8
76
The post header was about conspiracy or not?
it said it all, the link did not work for me either before i posted.
 

Ketchup

Elite Member
Sep 1, 2002
14,559
248
106
To me, this is an author who dug into one company alone, making them look worse than others. Google is just as bad.

The whole idea of the Internet is to share data. If you don't want your personal data to go to others, use what I call "common sense" skills, such as not sharing private or extremely personal information over chat programs, or webpages that are not protected by a secure connection. Protect valuable data going over the Internet with a password.

P.S. I second the quotes suggestion. Makes it far easier to see where your writing ends and the author of your linked article begins.
 

denis280

Diamond Member
Jan 16, 2011
3,434
9
81
Your internet provider already know that.and not far as today they will trace your download(big download)to see if you are getting stuff from piracy sites,and if you do they will send you a message to warn you about it
 

escrow4

Diamond Member
Feb 4, 2013
3,339
122
106
The US government in particular right now can erase you from the Earth with a drone attack at the press of a button. POOF! They already have all your info anyway. Unless you live in the bush in a tent hunting your own meat and don't participate in society you have no privacy. Its long gone. This ain't the 1500s no more. You are filmed daily via CCTV and every time you use your credit card they know exactly what you buy, when you buy it, where you buy it, and if your buying habits change, doubly so for a "rewards" (HA!) "loyalty" supermarket/wherever card. That is fact. MS really couldn't care less about YOU in particular. They can already get all that info from Facebook for pennies.
 

Mushkins

Golden Member
Feb 11, 2013
1,631
0
0
Spycrosoft windowze

I stopped reading right there. No reputable member of the infosec community writes that junk and expects others to take them seriously.

This is a tinfoil hat nonsense rant.
 

Dude111

Golden Member
Jan 19, 2010
1,497
7
81
OlyAR15 said:
I think your tin foil hat is affecting the circulation to your brain.
No I think its good to be aware of whats going on SO THEY DONT HAVE ALL THE POWER!!!
 

smakme7757

Golden Member
Nov 20, 2010
1,487
1
81
To me, this is an author who dug into one company alone, making them look worse than others. Google is just as bad.

The whole idea of the Internet is to share data. If you don't want your personal data to go to others, use what I call "common sense" skills, such as not sharing private or extremely personal information over chat programs, or webpages that are not protected by a secure connection. Protect valuable data going over the Internet with a password.

P.S. I second the quotes suggestion. Makes it far easier to see where your writing ends and the author of your linked article begins.
I agree with your first paragraph, but not so much the second.

That's true for data you choose to send either by accident, on purpose (Posting to Facebook for example). But when the OS actively mines your information you don't have that choice.

You can choose to not use Gmail, Hotmail, Facebook etc. But the actual OS is a different kettle of fish. Microsoft know that 90% of the worlds population who use Windows won't jump shit to another OS.

All that == Tons of data ready to be mined for sale to 3rd parties.

It's not surprise they are doing it. I can't really fault them. It's how Facebook and Google got so rich.
 
Last edited:

PhIlLy ChEeSe

Senior member
Apr 1, 2013
962
0
0
The US government in particular right now can erase you from the Earth with a drone attack at the press of a button. POOF! They already have all your info anyway. Unless you live in the bush in a tent hunting your own meat and don't participate in society you have no privacy. Its long gone. This ain't the 1500s no more. You are filmed daily via CCTV and every time you use your credit card they know exactly what you buy, when you buy it, where you buy it, and if your buying habits change, doubly so for a "rewards" (HA!) "loyalty" supermarket/wherever card. That is fact. MS really couldn't care less about YOU in particular. They can already get all that info from Facebook for pennies.


Ahh the little miner's :sneaky:

Though there isn't a actual person watching you, its a program that uses algorithms to examine your activities. That's HOMELAND SECURITY at its best, only time a person is drawn to you or your info is when it see's certain things.
Good thing were all FREE HUH! They have special browsers to keep you off the grid, funny thing is (TOR) is funded by our Gov to the tune of 6mil plus a few other downers which is kinda scarey.

Adjusts my tin foil hat
 
Last edited:

smakme7757

Golden Member
Nov 20, 2010
1,487
1
81
I just ran through the installer. There was quite a lot of "Send to Microsoft", but this one was interesting... I wonder if they take a copy of your Wifi password which is then shared with friends who connect to your network.

Untitled_zpsio7xv87h.png
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
33,277
11,413
136
I stopped reading right there. No reputable member of the infosec community writes that junk and expects others to take them seriously.

This is a tinfoil hat nonsense rant.

The childish language used isn't really important, and I really don't care about the reputation of the author.

Is it not true or is it true, that's all I care about.
 

mikeymikec

Lifer
May 19, 2011
21,222
16,443
136
Is it not true or is it true, that's all I care about.

I suspect if you log in to Windows with a Microsoft account then quite a lot of info gets sync'd with MS (including maybe wifi passwords), however it seems a bit of a stretch to start auto sharing wifi passwords between contacts, and I think if it did that on the default settings it would make a lot of corporate/government sysadmins jumpy. Policies about "no MS accounts on our networks" would be created and a load of faff about checking incoming computers first would just needlessly add admin overhead.

I've got a load of people on my contacts lists that I wouldn't dream of sharing passwords with, automatically or otherwise. Would the average user be aware of such consequences of adding someone to their contacts list? It's not even vaguely intuitive to expect a security risk through an action like that, and it would be a new and obvious attack vector to hack someone's e-mail account and add some sort of dummy account to their contacts list.

Re: smakme7757's screengrab - I think the operative word here might be 'shared', ie. they had to explicitly share that particular piece of information. Of course, 'networks' might not mean wifi networks.
 
Last edited:

smakme7757

Golden Member
Nov 20, 2010
1,487
1
81
Re: smakme7757's screengrab - I think the operative word here might be 'shared', ie. they had to explicitly share that particular piece of information. Of course, 'networks' might not mean wifi networks.
It means Wireless networks.

There is nothing for them to share when it comes to cabled networks.

How the "Sharing" is done would be nice to know!
 

sweenish

Diamond Member
May 21, 2013
3,656
60
91
The childish language used isn't really important, and I really don't care about the reputation of the author.

Is it not true or is it true, that's all I care about.

Childish language and the author's reputation can be used as metrics to make an early determination.

If anyone was serious about this, they would appear so when writing it up.

I applaud that you want to remain objective, but it's obvious enough that the author already isn't.
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
33,277
11,413
136
I suspect if you log in to Windows with a Microsoft account then quite a lot of info gets sync'd with MS (including maybe wifi passwords), however it seems a bit of a stretch to start auto sharing wifi passwords between contacts, and I think if it did that on the default settings it would make a lot of corporate/government sysadmins jumpy. Policies about "no MS accounts on our networks" would be created and a load of faff about checking incoming computers first would just needlessly add admin overhead.

I've got a load of people on my contacts lists that I wouldn't dream of sharing passwords with, automatically or otherwise. Would the average user be aware of such consequences of adding someone to their contacts list? It's not even vaguely intuitive to expect a security risk through an action like that, and it would be a new and obvious attack vector to hack someone's e-mail account and add some sort of dummy account to their contacts list.

Re: smakme7757's screengrab - I think the operative word here might be 'shared', ie. they had to explicitly share that particular piece of information. Of course, 'networks' might not mean wifi networks.

it was more the bits below that bother me rather than the wifi password sharing. I dont believe that they would make that compulsory or even opt out, it would be commercial suicide.

Stuff that worries me ----------

“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data(GeekSPEAK For Mic and Camera); and application usage."

They sample keystrokes and voice commands (Like a website to your bank, the login, and password.) So 10 has built in keylogger and video and audio surveilance.

We may disclose information and content to Microsoft affiliates and vendors; when required by law or to respond to valid legal process like suing you for pirating our software and we may refer the matter to law enforcement.

The data collection and Anti privacy features are turned ON automatically and you do not have the ability to OPT OUT or turn these features off. (In plain english use of these apps is consent to monitoring.)
 

smakme7757

Golden Member
Nov 20, 2010
1,487
1
81
Re: smakme7757's screengrab - I think the operative word here might be 'shared', ie. they had to explicitly share that particular piece of information. Of course, 'networks' might not mean wifi networks.
It means Wireless networks.

There is nothing for them to share when it comes to cabled networks.
 

smakme7757

Golden Member
Nov 20, 2010
1,487
1
81
it was more the bits below that bother me rather than the wifi password sharing. I dont believe that they would make that compulsory or even opt out, it would be commercial suicide.

Stuff that worries me ----------
I went through the installer for the 1st time an hour or so ago. Lots of:

"Collect: speech, typing, spelling" ect... But i could opt out from all of it.
 

ninaholic37

Golden Member
Apr 13, 2012
1,883
31
91
The US government in particular right now can erase you from the Earth with a drone attack at the press of a button. POOF!
Pretty sure if this actually happened, and the story got out, people would revolt, and more terrorist groups would appear. US already has enough enemies and haters I think...
 

WelshBloke

Lifer
Jan 12, 2005
33,277
11,413
136
I went through the installer for the 1st time an hour or so ago. Lots of:

"Collect: speech, typing, spelling" ect... But i could opt out from all of it.

Opt out certainly makes it more palatable.

I'm due to try a new win10 iso anyway so I'll fire up vmware and see how it goes if I decline everything!

Edit: Weird. I set mine to install and went off to make a coffee/watch a bit of tv and when I came back it was booted to the desktop without asking me to opt in/out of anything.
 
Last edited:

flexy

Diamond Member
Sep 28, 2001
8,464
155
106
>>
New Hotmail accounts REQURE a phone Number that they can Text to.
>>

This is not accurate, at least not when I created hotmail accounts last, like a month or so ago.

They only require verification when they see that a number of accs are created from one single computer/IP. Clearing cookies and possibly even changing IPs can solve this. Bottomline...for "normal" people (not spammers who want to create 100s of accounts), they will usually NOT get a phone verification thingy.