Console Releases for week of 8/30

[Queasy]

What the Guitar Hero 5 Commercial with Playboy Playmates and The Heff wasn't enough hype for you?

You're right though, this one did come up fast. But that's Activision's plan. They are going to milk the franchise yearly.

 

[Krakn3Dfx]

I think I remember Activision saying they wanted no less than 6 Guitar Hero releases annually.

Way to run a franchise, and a genre in general, into the ground.

 

[Q]

Section 8 actually looks really fun, wonder how it is.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Quintox
Section 8 actually looks really fun, wonder how it is.

Multiplayer demo is up on Live if you want to check it out. Also can do single-player vs bots.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Krakn3Dfx
I think I remember Activision saying they wanted no less than 6 Guitar Hero releases annually.

Way to run a franchise, and a genre in general, into the ground.

Hmm...they've only released 3 so far this year, with VH at the end of the year...

Quick! GH: Fallout Boy and GH: Nickleback!

Crap! I am giving them ideas! No!

:laugh: :roll:

 

[BenSkywalker]

Party mode in GH5 rocks, it is exactly what the genre has needed. The ability to play whatever combination of instruments people want to play, dropping in and out whenever, makes for a very enjoyable and relaxing environment for a 'party' setting. No, it isn't a serious "simulation"(heh, cuz plastic guitars with 5 buttons are ever going to be ) but it is a hell of a lot of fun particularly the way most people play in a large group. Track list is so-so, some real good ones on there, and the ability to import a bunch of GH:WT helps. Not nearly as much content as RockBand2, but tons more then you'll have with RockBand:Beatles. All told I think you can get ~250ish songs day one, not too bad.

Also, free GH:VH- I certainly won't argue if it's as well done as Metallica(although, if it's like Aerosmith I'll probably trade it in for a PSN card and get some more DLs ).

Hmm...they've only released 3 so far this year, with VH at the end of the year...

Quick! GH: Fallout Boy and GH: Nickleback!

Crap! I am giving them ideas! No!

You getting Lego:RockBand for free by chance? Or is Harmonix just trying to get people to buy 2 games in one quarter? How about that "Rock Band is a platform" mantra? Two music games coming out in September, only one of them doesn't allow you to use ANY of your existing music(marketing promises are inverse in strength to potential revenue generation).

I'd say if you have a Guitar, give GH5 a rent at least, the new features the game have greatly add to the enjoyment factor of the game(band challenges are a sweet addition too, but that stuff is all covered in depth in the reviews).

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
You getting Lego:RockBand for free by chance? Or is Harmonix just trying to get people to buy 2 games in one quarter? How about that "Rock Band is a platform" mantra? Two music games coming out in September, only one of them doesn't allow you to use ANY of your existing music(marketing promises are inverse in strength to potential revenue generation).

I'd say if you have a Guitar, give GH5 a rent at least, the new features the game have greatly add to the enjoyment factor of the game(band challenges are a sweet addition too, but that stuff is all covered in depth in the reviews).

I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game. Can you play all of the GH2 songs in GH5? GH3? What about the GH3 DLC?

No? Oops...try again. :roll:

Yes, there is ONE Rock Band game that has music that cannot be integrated into the Rock Band platform, and that is probably exclusively because of the nightmarish hoops Harmonix had to jump through just to get the license to use the Beatles' music. The fact that they were able to make Rock Band: Beatles is a testament all on its own. I mean, the Beatles aren't even on iTunes yet! That's how difficult it is to secure a license to use the Beatles' music.

And, do we really need to compare the number of Rock Band releases to the number of GH releases, in the same time frame? Really? You want to go there? You bash Harmonix for Lego Rock Band (which is aimed at families and kids), but do you have your pre-order in for Band Hero yet? After all, you just bought GH5, and Band Hero is right around the corner (beginning of November). So, just in this year, there will be two RB games (Lego and Beatles), and FIVE GH games (Metallica, Smash Hits, GH5, Band Hero, Van Halen).

404: Valid Point In BenSkywalker's Fanboism Not Found

Just for the record, I own all of the GH games, except for the recently released GH5 and Smash Hits. I only buy them when they hit the bargain bin, which happens quite quickly since they release a million games a year. So, I actually have an unbiased and informed opinion, since I own and have experienced both music game platforms.

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: Pheran
While I'm still firmly in the Rock Band camp as far as music games go, I was looking at a GH5 video and it seems they have fixed some of the problems with the craptastic interface that was in GHWT (at least there is textual feedback for vocals now). With import capability for GHWT and GHSH, I may actually consider picking up GH5 at some point. Does anyone know if GHVH will be importable?

I've been looking at this a bit more and so far the supposed import feature is pretty weak - only 35 of 86 songs from GHWT and 21 of 48 tracks from GHSH. At least the majority of the GHWT DLC can be used (save Hendrix). I'm going to ignore GH5 for a while and perhaps pick it up later cheap if the import situation improves.

http://hub.guitarhero.com/comm...iewtopic.php?f=5&t=940

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: Pheran
While I'm still firmly in the Rock Band camp as far as music games go, I was looking at a GH5 video and it seems they have fixed some of the problems with the craptastic interface that was in GHWT (at least there is textual feedback for vocals now). With import capability for GHWT and GHSH, I may actually consider picking up GH5 at some point. Does anyone know if GHVH will be importable?

I've been looking at this a bit more and so far the supposed import feature is pretty weak - only 35 of 86 songs from GHWT and 21 of 48 tracks from GHSH. At least the majority of the GHWT DLC can be used (save Hendrix). I'm going to ignore GH5 for a while and perhaps pick it up later cheap if the import situation improves.

http://hub.guitarhero.com/comm...iewtopic.php?f=5&t=940

:laugh:

So much for the "new GH platform".

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game.

There are only 3 songs from RB1 that won't export, and one of those three (Run to the Hills) has since been released as DLC.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game.

There are only 3 songs from RB1 that won't export, and one of those three (Run to the Hills) has since been released as DLC.

There's a rumor that the songs from LEGO Rock Band will be exportable as well.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game.

There are only 3 songs from RB1 that won't export, and one of those three (Run to the Hills) has since been released as DLC.

There's a rumor that the songs from LEGO Rock Band will be exportable as well.

Yes, I heard that as well, with them specifically mentioning the Queen song as an example of a song that could be exported. In fact, here is the link. It appears that all songs from Lego Rock Band will be exportable.

I thought it was five songs in RB1? I remember Run for the Hills, Enter Sandman, the Ozzy song, and I thought two others? I've been trying to look it up on Wikipedia, but haven't had any luck thus far.

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game.

There are only 3 songs from RB1 that won't export, and one of those three (Run to the Hills) has since been released as DLC.

There's a rumor that the songs from LEGO Rock Band will be exportable as well.

Yup, and the Lego setlist is looking totally awesome. I was going to get it anyway, but exportability makes it a must-have. It's a shame that the Beatles licensing terms are so obnoxious, I'm skipping that one.

EDIT: Though Apple Corps will probably think they are justified in those licensing terms when they see the ridiculous Kurt Cobain videos that are popping up from GH5.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: RyanPaulShaffer
I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game. Can you play all of the GH2 songs in GH5? GH3? What about the GH3 DLC?

I can understand not making anything from GH3 and prior available to anything from GHWT and beyond... the older games do not support every instrument. Sure, they could just include the guitar and bass sections and ignore drums and vocals, but that seems a bit hokey. I think they did right with the new Guitar Hero: Smash Hits, but it probably should've released at a lower price point.

EDIT:

Although to add... Amazon practically gave me free one-day shipping since I pre-ordered it the night before and selected release day shipping, which was free .

 

[BenSkywalker]

I can still play all of my RB1 songs (except five that couldn't get re-licensed), and all of my Rock Band DLC I've purchased since day one, in one game. Can you play all of the GH2 songs in GH5? GH3? What about the GH3 DLC?

What about Rock Band: Beatles? The difference between Neversoft and Harmonix- Neversoft never made a promise that it was a 'platform' that you could play all your music on. As of right now, you can export songs from two different games into GH:5, you can do that with one game using RockBand including everything they will have out by the end of the month, two by the end of the year. The non band specific games from GH:WT until now have at least partial exportability support.

And, do we really need to compare the number of Rock Band releases to the number of GH releases, in the same time frame? Really?

I have never been under the delusion that the franchise isn't being milked for money. It seems that those in Rock Band's camp haven't quite come to the same realization.

Just for the record, I own all of the GH games, except for the recently released GH5 and Smash Hits. I only buy them when they hit the bargain bin, which happens quite quickly since they release a million games a year. So, I actually have an unbiased and informed opinion, since I own and have experienced both music game platforms.

I own them all except for Smash Hits too(both series), although I'll probably be picking that up at some point. Smash Hiits for me is just a track pack, I just look at it like DLC only much cheaper on a per track basis when it hits a good price. I honestly have no issues at all with how they are doing RB:Beatles, it looks like it will be comparable to GH:M in terms of quality(which I thought was exceptional for the record), but I haven't been one of the people hammering for years how much Harmonix was committed to keeping it as a platform, something they dropped pretty damn quickly when the prospect of big money was flashed in front of them. Again, I have no issue with this, they are a business and they are offering a quality product at a reasonable price, no need for their to be an issue with it.

There's a rumor that the songs from LEGO Rock Band will be exportable as well.

Yes it will, but will it have something comparable to party mode? As a gaming genre GH5 is without a doubt a big step in the right direction. The options available in party mode and the ability to have multiple people play the same instrument is huge(woot, no more getting stuck playing bass ).

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
What about Rock Band: Beatles? The difference between Neversoft and Harmonix- Neversoft never made a promise that it was a 'platform' that you could play all your music on. As of right now, you can export songs from two different games into GH:5, you can do that with one game using RockBand including everything they will have out by the end of the month, two by the end of the year. The non band specific games from GH:WT until now have at least partial exportability support.

Reading is fundamental. I wrote an entire paragraph in my post specifically about The Beatles: Rock Band. Cliff Notes Version: the songs aren't exportable because of the extreme difficulty of even licensing the Beatles' music.

And, uh, I am very confused about your last statement about Rock Band. Every Rock Band product (except The Beatles: Rock Band) and DLC are completely exportable and playable on one Rock Band platform, with the already noted exception of a handful of songs from RB1, one of which has been re-released as DLC (and a master track even!). I buy Rock Band with the confidence of knowing that what I buy will still be usable in the future, and I won't have to switch discs a million times in order to play all of the songs I enjoy. I know that when I buy Rock Band DLC, it won't get stranded to a specific game that won't be supported in the future. You can't buy GH with that same confidence. Rock Band was just the better planned platform...that is a fact. It's not a surprise either, since it was Harmonix who created Guitar Hero, and Neversoft just took over the milking rights.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
I have never been under the delusion that the franchise isn't being milked for money. It seems that those in Rock Band's camp haven't quite come to the same realization.

Please. Two games a year VS five is hardly milking. Rock Band hasn't even released half of the games that GH has. Your fanboism is really showing here.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
I own them all except for Smash Hits too(both series), although I'll probably be picking that up at some point. Smash Hiits for me is just a track pack, I just look at it like DLC only much cheaper on a per track basis when it hits a good price. I honestly have no issues at all with how they are doing RB:Beatles, it looks like it will be comparable to GH:M in terms of quality(which I thought was exceptional for the record), but I haven't been one of the people hammering for years how much Harmonix was committed to keeping it as a platform, something they dropped pretty damn quickly when the prospect of big money was flashed in front of them. Again, I have no issue with this, they are a business and they are offering a quality product at a reasonable price, no need for their to be an issue with it.

Except for the fact that Smash Hits is very clearly NOT a track pack, because 1. it was $60 and 2. a very small selection of songs are actually exportable to GH5. But, keep on trying to justify in your head something that isn't true...

I still fail to see how "big money" has changed the Rock Band platform promise? There is one game, The Beatles: Rock Band, that won't integrate into the platform, and the reason for that is very specifically the nightmarish headaches of even trying to get permission to use the Beatles' licensed music. You have some delusions in your head that the entire Rock Band platform idea is out the window now simply because of The Beatles: Rock Band. You just assume something automatically without looking at the details and facts as to why The Beatles: Rock Band is the way it is. :roll:

Pro tip: The Beatles: Rock Band is an exception, not the norm.

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Yes it will, but will it have something comparable to party mode? As a gaming genre GH5 is without a doubt a big step in the right direction. The options available in party mode and the ability to have multiple people play the same instrument is huge(woot, no more getting stuck playing bass ).

That's cool, bro. I'm glad you like GH. It's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. My main issue is that you're trying to put Rock Band/Harmonix on the same blatant milking/cheesy rip-off level as Activision/Neversoft/GH, when all of the facts and data clearly show that not to be the case.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Well I sprung for GH5 because I needed a new fake guitar. I have to say, after hating GH3 and not liking GHWT, GH5 seems to be a huge improvement. All the improvements that were in GH: Metallica are in here and more.

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Well I sprung for GH5 because I needed a new fake guitar. I have to say, after hating GH3 and not liking GHWT, GH5 seems to be a huge improvement. All the improvements that were in GH: Metallica are in here and more.

That's good to hear since I'm mostly in the same camp as you with respect to GH3/GHWT. I will still wait to see if they sort out the lackluster import feature though.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Well I sprung for GH5 because I needed a new fake guitar. I have to say, after hating GH3 and not liking GHWT, GH5 seems to be a huge improvement. All the improvements that were in GH: Metallica are in here and more.

That's good to hear since I'm mostly in the same camp as you with respect to GH3/GHWT. I will still wait to see if they sort out the lackluster import feature though.

what do you mean?

 

[BenSkywalker]

Reading is fundamental. I wrote an entire paragraph in my post specifically about The Beatles: Rock Band. Cliff Notes Version: the songs aren't exportable because of the extreme difficulty of even licensing the Beatles' music.

Money>>>>Harmonix pledge. That is what it comes down to.

Please. Two games a year VS five is hardly milking. Rock Band hasn't even released half of the games that GH has. Your fanboism is really showing here.

They are releasing two games in one quarter- both full price games. So your stance at this point is that Harmonix is not milking their franchise as much?

Except for the fact that Smash Hits is very clearly NOT a track pack, because 1. it was $60 and 2. a very small selection of songs are actually exportable to GH5. But, keep on trying to justify in your head something that isn't true...

Did I ever say I'd pay $60 for GH:SM? $40 on sale, $5 off with the coupon in GH5, $35 total for 21 songs. A great deal? Not exactly, but considering normal DL songs are $2 each I'm not feeling too bad about it.

I still fail to see how "big money" has changed the Rock Band platform promise?

Having a hard time seeing it? Rock Band as a platform is over as soon as RB:Beatles ship. It was a marketing lie dropped at the potential of milking money out of the consumer. They are a business, that is there job.

You just assume something automatically without looking at the details and facts as to why The Beatles: Rock Band is the way it is.

Licensing issues are the reason every song in GH:WT and SH aren't exportable, does it change reality? No. Is their a good reason that Harmonix broke their promise? Yes, money. They knew that they weren't going to be allowed to keep their marketing promise if they made RB:B to start with, if they cared about keeping their promise they wouldn't have made it. They cared about money more which is their job.

My main issue is that you're trying to put Rock Band/Harmonix on the same blatant milking/cheesy rip-off level as Activision/Neversoft/GH, when all of the facts and data clearly show that not to be the case.

You are absolutely right there, Activision isn't breaking promises made to their customers.

 

[bl4ckfl4g]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker

Reading is fundamental. I wrote an entire paragraph in my post specifically about The Beatles: Rock Band. Cliff Notes Version: the songs aren't exportable because of the extreme difficulty of even licensing the Beatles' music.

Money>>>>Harmonix pledge. That is what it comes down to.

Please. Two games a year VS five is hardly milking. Rock Band hasn't even released half of the games that GH has. Your fanboism is really showing here.

They are releasing two games in one quarter- both full price games. So your stance at this point is that Harmonix is not milking their franchise as much?

Except for the fact that Smash Hits is very clearly NOT a track pack, because 1. it was $60 and 2. a very small selection of songs are actually exportable to GH5. But, keep on trying to justify in your head something that isn't true...

Did I ever say I'd pay $60 for GH:SM? $40 on sale, $5 off with the coupon in GH5, $35 total for 21 songs. A great deal? Not exactly, but considering normal DL songs are $2 each I'm not feeling too bad about it.

I still fail to see how "big money" has changed the Rock Band platform promise?

Having a hard time seeing it? Rock Band as a platform is over as soon as RB:Beatles ship. It was a marketing lie dropped at the potential of milking money out of the consumer. They are a business, that is there job.

You just assume something automatically without looking at the details and facts as to why The Beatles: Rock Band is the way it is.

Licensing issues are the reason every song in GH:WT and SH aren't exportable, does it change reality? No. Is their a good reason that Harmonix broke their promise? Yes, money. They knew that they weren't going to be allowed to keep their marketing promise if they made RB:B to start with, if they cared about keeping their promise they wouldn't have made it. They cared about money more which is their job.

My main issue is that you're trying to put Rock Band/Harmonix on the same blatant milking/cheesy rip-off level as Activision/Neversoft/GH, when all of the facts and data clearly show that not to be the case.

You are absolutely right there, Activision isn't breaking promises made to their customers.

I think almost everyone that cares except you would rather have a Beatles rockband than no beatles Rock Band.

Does anyone have a link to this promise?

 

[Pheran]

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g

Originally posted by: Pheran

Originally posted by: bl4ckfl4g
Well I sprung for GH5 because I needed a new fake guitar. I have to say, after hating GH3 and not liking GHWT, GH5 seems to be a huge improvement. All the improvements that were in GH: Metallica are in here and more.

That's good to hear since I'm mostly in the same camp as you with respect to GH3/GHWT. I will still wait to see if they sort out the lackluster import feature though.

what do you mean?

I'm just referring to the fact that less than half of GHWT and GHSH are importable for use in GH5.

 

[RyanPaulShaffer]

Originally posted by: BenSkywalker
Having a hard time seeing it? Rock Band as a platform is over as soon as RB:Beatles ship. It was a marketing lie dropped at the potential of milking money out of the consumer. They are a business, that is there job.

:laugh:

So, now you can predict the future AND read their minds, all because of one game that hasn't even shipped yet. Wow.

:roll:

Seriously, I'm done debating with you, because you are just delusional in your blind hatred of Harmonix and your crazy loyalty to Guitar Hero. I own both and have played both, and I prefer Rock Band by far because I analyze the facts and can objectionably see that Rock Band is the far greater value. You're off the ledge playing Cleo and using one unshipped game as "proof" of your prophecies of Rock Band doom and gloom! It truly is comical.

:laugh:

I just call it like it is, and I am tired of presenting facts to you, because the facts clearly don't matter to you. This is not a new trend.

 

[BenSkywalker]

I think almost everyone that cares except you would rather have a Beatles rockband than no beatles Rock Band.

I agree, but RPS has been utterly rabid in his preaching about how RB was vastly superior because of the 'platform' nature of the game. I wouldn't have brought it up if he hadn't thread crapped here(which I knew he was going to, he can't resist thread crapping whenever anything GH comes up).

So, now you can predict the future AND read their minds, all because of one game that hasn't even shipped yet. Wow.

Read their press releases is more like it. Harmonix stated that Rock Band Beatles won't support exporting. It has the Rock Band title. Once Beatles ships, Rock Band is no longer a unified platform. That is reality. That is according to Harmonix explicitly.

Seriously, I'm done debating with you, because you are just delusional in your blind hatred of Harmonix and your crazy loyalty to Guitar Hero.

Topic Title: Console Releases for week of 8/30
Topic Summary: Guitar Hero 5, Muramasa, Mini Ninjas, Section 8, Soul Calibur

Where do you see Rock Band love in/GH bashing thread? You thread crap to bash GH and post about your unfaltering admiration for RB, and I'm the fanboi?

I own both and have played both, and I prefer Rock Band by far because I analyze the facts and can objectionably see that Rock Band is the far greater value.

I'm a gamer. GH5's modes>>>>>>>>RB2. As of right now, those are the facts. We'll see what Beatles has to counter, but as of this moment Harmonix is behind in gameplay. Also, for all the talk about how great of a value is, I paid $72 and got 115 songs, how do I go about doing that with RB? I own the games, and I haven't seen anything remotely close to that level of value yet. You tell me how to do better since you have analyzed the "facts" and objectionably determined RB is the better value, heh. Where is it I can get these incredible deals that you are finding? I paid $1.28 per track for GH:M, $1.43 for GH:A, $0.62 for GH5, my DLC is still showing $1.99 per track from either RB or GH on PSN. Better value?

You're off the ledge playing Cleo and using one unshipped game as "proof" of your prophecies of Rock Band doom and gloom!

Looks back over thread...hmmm- where have I said that RB:B won't outsell GH5 5,000,000:1? Haven't, have I? You may be predicting the inverse, but I have not said anything remotely close to it. I laughed at them dropping the whole 'platform' thing mainly because of your nigh religious zeal over how important it was, until they dropped it for some cash(then it isn't very important at all).

I just call it like it is, and I am tired of presenting facts to you, because the facts clearly don't matter to you.

What 'facts' have you presented precisely? Facts need to be based in reality. Do I need to link your preaching about the 'platform' and how superior that makes the series? See, unlike you, I thought it was a nice feature, but far from crucial. I really don't think RB Beatles lacking it is a big deal at all, but I am not an ordained minister of Chruch Harmonix either

 

[brblx]

have you ever even played rock band?

it's such a vastly superior experience that i find it hard to to believe anyone who has played both would support GH so rabidly. i guess if you really place that much emphasis on throwaway music creator modes and being able to play four guitars at once, GH is 'better.'

but i fail to see how my DLC is now garbage because of beatles rock band. my solution is to just not buy beatles rock band, and continue to play rock band 2 and associated DLC, which will be fully compatible with RB3, whenever they decide it's time for that. that can't be done with GH. at all. (having a few random songs cross compatible falls under 'why even bother')

i love how you call people fanboys when 100% of your posts are blind support for something and dogged opposition of its competitors, even if what you're supporting isn't even out yet...