Discussion Considering upgrading 2500K business PC (UPDATED)

[Charlie98]

There's no 3700. There's only a 3700X and 3800X.

the 3700X is the best price/performance CPU that AMD offers in the 3*** series. $329 buys a while lot of performance for 95% of the users out there. There are plenty of reviews you can read to see how it compares to the 3900X, and you can decide if you're an user who would benefit from the extra cores.

No, I got you on the X part... I meant that as a group.

It looks like the 3700x is the best choice for me... I want moar cores, but not necessarily the significant upgrade of the 3900x, although I'm sure it's a nice chip.

Dumb question time:

1) Is the included AMD cooler any good? I will probably fool with OC'ing it a little, nothing spectacular.

2) For general desktop use, is swapping in my old GTX760 going to work, or do I need to look at a replacement?

3) My Seasonic PSU is fairly recent, is 620W going to be enough?

 

[Iron Woode]

There's no 3700. There's only a 3700X and 3800X.

if you are going to use an aftermarket cooler, there's little reason to get the 3800X (performance difference is too insignificant).

the 3700X is the best price/performance CPU that AMD offers in the 3*** series. $329 buys a while lot of performance for 95% of the users out there. There are plenty of reviews you can read to see how it compares to the 3900X, and you can decide if you're an user who would benefit from the extra cores.

The 3700X is a $450 CPU here in Canada. The R5 3600 is the best mid range CPU available. That costs $280 here. Just put an aftermarket HSF on it and there is no need for the 3600X. I am going to wait for a sale to grab the 3600. Then I shall wait for the 550 boards to show up.

 

[Markfw]

I'm a traditionalist... I still run 40GB WD HDD's...

Sorry, just kidding.

Jeepers, that thing smokes the M2 even...

Back to the CPU...



Just curious...

That is an M.2, just a PCIE4.0 M.2

As for the CPU, the 3700x is fine. I don't know if you can like with that video card, but I think your PSU is fine.

 

[Charlie98]

That is an M.2, just a PCIE4.0 M.2

As for the CPU, the 3700x is fine. I don't know if you can like with that video card, but I think your PSU is fine.

Well... maybe my terminology is rusty... but you see what I mean.

I know the 760 is dated. I have a 950Ti in the HTPC that works very well running 3 monitors, I'll probably just spring for whatever the new incarnation of that is.

 

[Markfw]

The 1660 or 1660ti would be a great choice. $220-$280

 

[BurnItDwn]

Recently upgraded one of my PCs here. Had an i5 2400 and upgraded to AMD ryzen 3600.
-- Still not liking Win 10, but I am getting used to it.

I also have a 4690K machine as well, running win 7.
Also have another Ryzen box that I had built for my wife around 2ish years ago (Ryzen 1600 IIRC)

If you decide to upgrade, it might be worth going with an NVME SSD to go with your future intel 9xxx or AMD Ryzen 3xxx box.

I have SATA 1tb SSD (Samsung 850) in 1 box and NVME 1TB SSD (Samsung 960) in another box, and the NVME loads things MUCH MUCH faster. Its most obvious when gaming since maps load in like 1/4 the time. But, loading a large spreadsheet or running an ETL tool or running any kind of DB would also follow the same performance improvements.

Intel and AMD both have good options out there ... both should have good options this fall.



Edit: Not sure why you even need to bother with a GPU if you are just running 2 displays and not doing gaming ... I'd expect the integrated GPU in AMD or Intel to handle that without any problems?

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Recently upgraded one of my PCs here. Had an i5 2400 and upgraded to AMD ryzen 3600.
-- Still not liking Win 10, but I am getting used to it.

I also have a 4690K machine as well, running win 7.
Also have another Ryzen box that I had built for my wife around 2ish years ago (Ryzen 1600 IIRC)

If you decide to upgrade, it might be worth going with an NVME SSD to go with your future intel 9xxx or AMD Ryzen 3xxx box.

I have SATA 1tb SSD (Samsung 850) in 1 box and NVME 1TB SSD (Samsung 960) in another box, and the NVME loads things MUCH MUCH faster. Its most obvious when gaming since maps load in like 1/4 the time. But, loading a large spreadsheet or running an ETL tool or running any kind of DB would also follow the same performance improvements.

Intel and AMD both have good options out there ... both should have good options this fall.



Edit: Not sure why you even need to bother with a GPU if you are just running 2 displays and not doing gaming ... I'd expect the integrated GPU in AMD or Intel to handle that without any problems?

Thank you for this. I’m planning a build and have been wondering if NVME drives are worth the extra heat and little bit extra cost.
Games are a good benefit.

 

[BurnItDwn]

im running radeon 290 in box with 3x1080p monitors, Nvidia 970 on a 1080p gaming box, and then wife has Radeon 470 on her 1080p gaming[media box. if you are goin micro tiny box scale, im not sure of the GPUs at that end, but I do agree with other posters that 1660, or 1661 TI are more than capable

 

[Charlie98]

-- Still not liking Win 10, but I am getting used to it.

I'm not real happy about having to go to W10. I upgraded my game rig to it, played with it a bit... and rolled it back. I understand all the reasons I have to go to it, blah, blah, blah...

The 970 in my game rig runs a single 1080 monitor, it doesnt even breath hard with the titles I run.

The idea of the NVME SSD is growing on me, even though I just upgraded everything to ~500GB SSD's... I can always use them as scratch disks.

 

[Flayed]

I would just use your GTX 760 it's more than capable of driving multiple monitors.

 

[Charlie98]

I would just use your GTX 760 it's more than capable of driving multiple monitors.

No issues with a newer platform or anything? The 760 is unremarkable, but it works very well and I've never had issues with it like I did the previous 560. I would have just put it in the HTPC, but it didn't support h.265.

 

[Flayed]

No issues with a newer platform or anything? The 760 is unremarkable, but it works very well and I've never had issues with it like I did the previous 560. I would have just put it in the HTPC, but it didn't support h.265.

It will work fine in a new platform. Its performance is roughly equivalent to a GTX 1050 in games. The only reason I see to buy a newer one is if you want higher 3D performance. If you won't be playing games then I don't see any reason to buy a new card.

 

[Charlie98]

Cool.

 

[Charlie98]

Last question would be memory... I have no experience with DDR4 memory or speeds. It looks like the price breaks at anything over 3600... almost double the cost for 4000. Am I missing anything by picking up 32GB of 3600?

 

[Flayed]

Last question would be memory... I have no experience with DDR4 memory or speeds. It looks like the price breaks at anything over 3600... almost double the cost for 4000. Am I missing anything by picking up 32GB of 3600?

No. It would likely take a lot of fiddling with setting and some luck to get ram to work at 4000Mhz

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Last question would be memory... I have no experience with DDR4 memory or speeds. It looks like the price breaks at anything over 3600... almost double the cost for 4000. Am I missing anything by picking up 32GB of 3600?

You would be missing e-peen bragging rights but otherwise you would be missing nothing.
I believe 3200 cas 14 ram is effectively the same as 3600 cas 16 ram.
May be able to save a little money being flexible on the type of memory.
Make sure the memory is certified to work with the motherboard. Ryzen is less bitchy about memory but it is still particular about memory.

at the same latency I do not believe there is much of a performance difference on anything past ddr3000.
Not saying it’s all the same performance, I am saying ddr3000 is like 96% of ddr3600

 

[Charlie98]

You would be missing e-peen bragging rights but otherwise you would be missing nothing.

Wellll... we can't have that. I'll be missing out on further extensions... I'm not getting RGB memory, either. gasp!

 

[Fanatical Meat]

Wellll... we can't have that. I'll be missing out on further extensions... I'm not getting RGB memory, either. gasp!

Close to impossible to avoid rgb today.
I’ll likely do 3600 ram for my upcoming build. You need some e-peen to measure.
Computer building is so funny, rationally I know ddr3000 is nearly identical for anything I’d use if for but there will be the “what if” question in my head for as long as I have that build. So easy to get obsessed about something trivial.

 

[VirtualLarry]

Newegg has been selling, and I'm currently using the same kit, a kit of GSKill Trident RGB DDR4-3600 "for AMD", CAS 18-22-22-xx, 1.35V, RGB, was like $115. Still more pricey than non-RGB RAM, and Crucial has some nice Micron E-die stuff fairly cheap (16GB kit for $70 or so), that runs good in Ryzen 3000-series CPUs and boards.

This GSKill DDR4-3600 kit, seems like it's not Samsung B-die (not 3200/CAS14, or 3600/CAS16, these are CAS18). Let me check CPU-Z, see if it can identify them.

Edit: These are identifying as "SK Hynix", F4-3600C18-8GTZRX, JEDEC timings to DDR4-2133, then an XMP timing at DDR4-3600. No XMP timings for 3200, looks like.

 

[Charlie98]

Close to impossible to avoid rgb today.
I’ll likely do 3600 ram for my upcoming build. You need some e-peen to measure.
Computer building is so funny, rationally I know ddr3000 is nearly identical for anything I’d use if for but there will be the “what if” question in my head for as long as I have that build. So easy to get obsessed about something trivial.

If you look at my builds... everything has, basically, been updated. What...? 2 empty RAM slots on the HTPC (that uses 2GB of RAM???) Well, we can't have that. I even found a almost matching set of Samsung DDR3 for the game rig... which is awesome... and completely unnecessary. Oh, well.

 

[Charlie98]

This GSKill DDR4-3600 kit, seems like it's not Samsung B-die (not 3200/CAS14, or 3600/CAS16, these are CAS18). Let me check CPU-Z, see if it can identify them.

Looks like Team has a set of 3200 that is B-die.

 

[Kyron71]

Change the OS

Puppy Linux

Yeet the mechanic hd and get ssd
Speeds should go up

 

[Charlie98]

Change the OS

Well, I have considered that. I fooled, briefly, with Linux Mint some years ago and it seems simple enough. I don't know how well it would play something like QuickBooks or some of the other software I use... I've not really researched it so I just don't know, and that kind of stuff is my Kryptonite... I need to install it, and it has to work.

 

[Charlie98]

Just an update...

I went ahead and threw some money at it... the pending Windows 10 update was upon me, and I didn't want to waste time installing it, then turning around and doing it again when I updated the hardware. I did get a little cheap on the CPU... I settled for the 2700X vs the 3700X, and I'm just continuing on with the conventional SSDs, since I have about 10 of them lying about.

New hardware:

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X,
ASRock B450M Pro4,
2x16GB Crucial Ballistic 3200 RAM
Windows 10.

It feels a little snappier in use, but it hangs sometimes when I'm opening something. Hopefully it will iron itself out as I continue to polish the W10 turd install.

 

[Markfw]

Just an update...

I went ahead and threw some money at it... the pending Windows 10 update was upon me, and I didn't want to waste time installing it, then turning around and doing it again when I updated the hardware. I did get a little cheap on the CPU... I settled for the 2700X vs the 3700X, and I'm just continuing on with the conventional SSDs, since I have about 10 of them lying about.

New hardware:

AMD Ryzen 7 2700X,
ASRock B450M Pro4,
2x16GB Crucial Ballistic 3200 RAM
Windows 10.

It feels a little snappier in use, but it hangs sometimes when I'm opening something. Hopefully it will iron itself out as I continue to polish the W10 turd install.

Sounds like IO. Maybe try an M.2 2280 SSD ? If you have the right software, you can use a disk copy. Boot partitions and all.