Conservatives: Why are you anti-science?

[Atreus21]

I shudder at the use of the word science as if it's interchangeable with religion. It betrays just how much people really know about either.

Science is sciencing. It's a method of systematic inquiry. To the extent that leftists talk about "belief" in science they are no different than the religious zealots they purport to debunk.

Science is not a philosophy or system of belief. It's a tool. There are some arenas where it works, and some where it does not.

 

[Macamus Prime]

I heard science uses facts and the reality of the situation to come up with an educated conclusion - we can't have any of that amongst those who the capitalist overlords lead in this country.

 

[Ausm]

I shudder at the use of the word science as if it's interchangeable with religion. It betrays just how much people really know about either.

Science is sciencing. It's a method of systematic inquiry. To the extent that leftists talk about "belief" in science they are no different than the religious zealots they purport to debunk.

If Science came before Religion there would be no need for Religion

 

[nick1985]

I heard science uses facts and the reality of the situation to come up with an educated conclusion - we can't have any of that amongst those who the capitalist overlords lead in this country.

 

[nick1985]

And which long-held beliefs are those?

Is that sound of silence the sound of ownage?

 

[JockoJohnson]

The super-religious, real anti-science wing of the republican party is a tiny minority. Just like the liberals that cancel high school science and math classes because they are heavily populated by whites and asians as opposed to blacks and latinos. Making everyone equally stupid is right up liberals' alley I guess.

As has been stated earlier, it's the dumbing down of America. Why should we let people succeed? Instead, bring them down to the level of those poor, poor students who don't give a fuck or who are just too stupid to learn. Stupidity and ignorance are not a racial thing. It exists across all races. However, some cultures breed the ignorance and want their children to "Stay stupid".

 

[sandorski]

Yes we can leave out Chernobyl, That was a very bad design to begin with and was being operating outside of design conditions.

Your attempt to move the Goalposts away from Japan has been noted. Sorry, but you're Failing.

 

[zsdersw]

And which long-held beliefs are those?

I don't know; the question was in-general.

 

[fskimospy]

The super-religious, real anti-science wing of the republican party is a tiny minority. Just like the liberals that cancel high school science and math classes because they are heavily populated by whites and asians as opposed to blacks and latinos. Making everyone equally stupid is right up liberals' alley I guess.

The anti-science wing of the Republican party is truly a tiny minority. With that in mind, lets take a look and see how many of their current presidential candidates accept the theory of evolution.

Michele Bachmann - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Rick Perry - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Rick Santorum - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Ron Paul - Doubts evolution! (and public schools for that matter)
Tim Pawlenty - Supports teaching creationism in schools, personally a full blown creationist.
Newt Gingrich - Not a creationist, doesn't support it in schools. (bravo!)
Mitt Romney - Not a creationist, dodged question on teaching creationism in schools (shocker)
Jon Huntsman - Full supporter of evolution. Opposes teaching creationism.

So, out of the 8 most prominent candidates for the Republican nomination for the most powerful office on planet earth, 62.5% of them don't accept the fundamental organizing principle of all modern biology.

According to this 2010 Gallup poll, a full 52% of Republicans are young earth creationists, almost 20 points higher than Democrats and Independents:

Truly a tiny minority!

The percentage of Democratic politicians that believe we should cancel high school science and math classes because there are too many whites in them? Zero. I am unaware of any candidate for the 2008 nomination that believed this either. So on one hand we have the standard bearers for one of the two major parties in the US rejecting science, and on the other hand we have some people at a high school acting dumb.

Yeah, both parties are totally the same. No false equivalence here! Thanks for another insightful post, QP.

 

[Atreus21]

The anti-science wing of the Republican party is truly a tiny minority. With that in mind, lets take a look and see how many of their current presidential candidates accept the theory of evolution.

Michele Bachmann - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Rick Perry - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Rick Santorum - Supports teaching creationism in schools, doubts evolution.
Ron Paul - Doubts evolution! (and public schools for that matter)
Tim Pawlenty - Supports teaching creationism in schools, personally a full blown creationist.
Newt Gingrich - Not a creationist, doesn't support it in schools. (bravo!)
Mitt Romney - Not a creationist, dodged question on teaching creationism in schools (shocker)
Jon Huntsman - Full supporter of evolution. Opposes teaching creationism.

So, out of the 8 most prominent candidates for the Republican nomination for the most powerful office on planet earth, 62.5% of them don't accept the fundamental organizing principle of all modern biology.

According to this 2010 Gallup poll, a full 52% of Republicans are young earth creationists, almost 20 points higher than Democrats and Independents:

Truly a tiny minority!

The percentage of Democratic politicians that believe we should cancel high school science and math classes because there are too many whites in them? Zero. I am unaware of any candidate for the 2008 nomination that believed this either. So on one hand we have the standard bearers for one of the two major parties in the US rejecting science, and on the other hand we have some people at a high school acting dumb.

Yeah, both parties are totally the same. No false equivalence here! Thanks for another insightful post, QP.

If that poll is true than those republicans are retarded. Young earth creationism is ridiculous.

 

[SammyJr]

Unless you would like to explain why private Christian schools are so much better than the Liberal Unionized public school system which is ranked 35th in the world.

Private schools have selective membership and can easily dismiss problematic or low ranking students. Private schools also have more interested parents who value education and take an interest in their children. Private schools have a relatively ideal subset of the population.

Public schools have to take anybody, regardless of class, intelligence, parental support, etc. and don't have the luxury of expelling poor students with crackhead/methhead parents.

Further, quality of public schools vary widely. I would put up the public schools in my District next to just about any private school and expect the students there to perform just as well or better than any private school. I wouldn't make the same claim about the urban school district down the road.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Your attempt to move the Goalposts away from Japan has been noted. Sorry, but you're Failing.

We have plenty of places we can build a nuclear power plant that isn't on a fault line so it couldn't be subjected to the kind of damage Japan's plants were.

Also,

NIMBY, that's what prevents it most and not for unfounded Reasons. Nuclear is *not* the only option either.

OK so give some examples of other options please. Reliable, consistent options.

I'm still waiting.

 

[soulcougher73]

Are you talking about conservatives or religious people? They are not always one in the same you know.

 

[Todd33]

The OT is easy to answer. Two parts.

1. The Bible. They don't like reality interfering with their delusion. See evolution, flat Earth, etc.

2. Big business and money. They don't like negative PR when it comes to their their major source of political money. See global warming, cigarettes and cancer, strip mining and other environmental disasters.

 

[sandorski]

We have plenty of places we can build a nuclear power plant that isn't on a fault line so it couldn't be subjected to the kind of damage Japan's plants were.

Also,



I'm still waiting.

Hydro and Geothermal.

 

[IGBT]

so now the Eco-THEISTS say aliens don't want us to drive SUV's or trucks otherwise they will attack.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I don't know; the question was in-general.

Here's a specific question...why do you feel compelled to single me out to ask that question?

 

[SparkyJJO]

Hydro and Geothermal.

OK cool. I'm in favor of those. Unfortunately, a lot of people on the "green" side of things don't like hydro because it messes with fish or something like that.

How much power can be generated from geothermal?

Hmm what we need is to find a way to make a power plan run from atmospheric CO2, it would keep everyone happy then

 

[sandorski]

OK cool. I'm in favor of those. Unfortunately, a lot of people on the "green" side of things don't like hydro because it messes with fish or something like that.

How much power can be generated from geothermal?

Hmm what we need is to find a way to make a power plan run from atmospheric CO2, it would keep everyone happy then

Geothermal is practically limitless, in certain locations.

 

[SparkyJJO]

Geothermal is practically limitless, in certain locations.

Sounds pretty promising. I'll have to do some digging into this. I suspect there are some negatives or something that is keeping them from building them everywhere they possibly can, but sounds good so far.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I shudder at the use of the word science as if it's interchangeable with religion. It betrays just how much people really know about either.

QFT...I'm sad to say.

 

[monovillage]

People are responding to this thread? I thought it was a throw away thread like "Why are leftist progressives all child molesters (if only in their thoughts)?"

 

[crashtestdummy]

It goes both ways... just on different topics. On climate change and evolution, the far right certainly has it backwards. However, the far left is just as messed up when it comes to certain aspects of modern medicine (vaccines, belief in homeopathic medicine) and environmental risk assessment (the dangers of nuclear power, BPA from water bottles, etc.). Nearly everyone, across the entire political spectrum, mis-associates correlation with causation as it suits them, leading to "A was done, then B happened, so A must have caused B" arguments.

A lot has been made of "pledges", particularly on the right, that candidates have been signing to take hard lines on certain issues. I wish instead that we'd get people to sign pledges to make rational decisions. It would be completely unenforceable, but I would like to see rational thought brought back into the discussion as a requirement for good governance.

 

[IGBT]

once you understand liberals are liars their motives and outcomes are predicable.

 

[zsdersw]

Here's a specific question...why do you feel compelled to single me out to ask that question?

Why not?