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Conservatives: Why are you anti-science?

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OneOfTheseDays

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Do you thinking dumbing down our nation, not funding public schools, disregarding the tireless efforts of thousands of scientists is going to put this country in the best position it can be going forward?

Do you think our children will be able to compete with the rest of the world if we continue to degrade their education by forcing them to learn about Creationism, intelligent design, instead of real scientific facts?

Explain yourselves. And for those that say you're not anti-science, if you've voted for Republicans in the last decade your opinion is automatically discarded IMHO.
 
OneOfTheseDays said:
Do you thinking dumbing down our nation, not funding public schools, disregarding the tireless efforts of thousands of scientists is going to put this country in the best position it can be going forward?

Do you think our children will be able to compete with the rest of the world if we continue to degrade their education by forcing them to learn about Creationism, intelligent design, instead of real scientific facts?

Explain yourselves. And for those that say you're not anti-science, if you've voted for Republicans in the last decade your opinion is automatically discarded IMHO.
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Democrats are just as every bit anti science as republicans are. They only choose science when it fits what they want.


As someone who deeply respect science, I find the climate change battle completely disgusting as it more about politics than money. Solutions are rejected because they are not the ones the left wants.
 
OneOfTheseDays said:
Do you thinking dumbing down our nation, not funding public schools, disregarding the tireless efforts of thousands of scientists is going to put this country in the best position it can be going forward?

Do you think our children will be able to compete with the rest of the world if we continue to degrade their education by forcing them to learn about Creationism, intelligent design, instead of real scientific facts?

Explain yourselves. And for those that say you're not anti-science, if you've voted for Republicans in the last decade your opinion is automatically discarded IMHO.
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I fully believe in science personally. But if I can keep the poor and stupid as they are, poor and stupid, it increases my own opportunities and makes it easier to stand on their backs.
 
I don't really think "conservatives" are anti-science. The anti-science movement in the US is way more about populism than conservativism. Populists (which includes a lot of Republicans, but not ONLY Republicans) don't really like the idea that training and education and expertise enables someone to speak with more authority on a particular topic. Everyone likes to think that they can just FEEL the answer to complex problems, and they don't like the idea that someone can come along and accurately tell them they are full of it.
 
charrison said:
Democrats are just as every bit anti science as republicans are. They only choose science when it fits what they want.


As someone who deeply respect science, I find the climate change battle completely disgusting as it more about politics than money. Solutions are rejected because they are not the ones the left wants.
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So you "deeply respect science", but this deep respect allows you to conveniently put all the blame on people you disagree with politically? Doesn't really sound like science is your primary motivation if you ask me...
 
Rainsford said:
So you "deeply respect science", but this deep respect allows you to conveniently put all the blame on people you disagree with politically? Doesn't really sound like science is your primary motivation if you ask me...
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Where did I say that? I guess you missed where I said BOTH sides do it.
 
OneOfTheseDays said:
Do you thinking dumbing down our nation, not funding public schools, disregarding the tireless efforts of thousands of scientists is going to put this country in the best position it can be going forward?

Do you think our children will be able to compete with the rest of the world if we continue to degrade their education by forcing them to learn about Creationism, intelligent design, instead of real scientific facts?

Explain yourselves. And for those that say you're not anti-science, if you've voted for Republicans in the last decade your opinion is automatically discarded IMHO.
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Liberals are the ones dumbing down the education system in America. They are taking everyone and bringing them down to the level of the very dumbest people.

Unless you would like to explain why private Christian schools are so much better than the Liberal Unionized public school system which is ranked 35th in the world.

America is stupid, because people with the same ideology as the OP here are the ones teaching our kids.
 
charrison said:
Democrats are just as every bit anti science as republicans are. They only choose science when it fits what they want.


As someone who deeply respect science, I find the climate change battle completely disgusting as it more about politics than money. Solutions are rejected because they are not the ones the left wants.
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:hmm: really?
 
I'm about as conservative as you can get sans the religion BS and I graduated first in my class with a science degree. I am not anti-science, I use it all the time, I am just old enough to have been in school when they actually taught science. The scientific method does not mean trying to fit the data and research to the outcome you want beforehand.
 
Ronstang said:
I'm about as conservative as you can get sans the religion BS and I graduated first in my class with a science degree. I am not anti-science, I use it all the time, I am just old enough to have been in school when they actually taught science. The scientific method does not mean trying to fit the data and research to the outcome you want beforehand.
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Examples of said research? Just curious.
 
charrison said:
Where did I say that? I guess you missed where I said BOTH sides do it.
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I'm talking about the climate change comment you made. You said...
As someone who deeply respect science, I find the climate change battle completely disgusting as it more about politics than money. Solutions are rejected because they are not the ones the left wants.
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I don't think you can claim to be pro-science and turn around and say "the left" is to blame for the stupidity of the climate change debate.
 
charrison said:
Yes really...

If the solution to climate change is reduced CO2, the answer right now is nuclear power. That has been largely rejected.

Also now that natural has become quite readily available, it is also being rejected. Really....
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That is only a part of the problem and it has more to do with Nimbyism than Political bent. I know you have brought up this aspect of the issue before, I think you're kinda fixated on it and blowing it out of proportion.
 
Rainsford said:
I'm talking about the climate change comment you made. You said...

I don't think you can claim to be pro-science and turn around and say "the left" is to blame for the stupidity of the climate change debate.
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I can the left has been parroting, what is in my opinion very bad science. I have been developing computer sim models for about the past decade and know quite a bit about how they work and how they can be abused. and it pretty obvious those climate models have been abused to get the desired answers. But hey, what do I know....
 
sandorski said:
That is only a part of the problem and it has more to do with Nimbyism than Political bent. I know you have brought up this aspect of the issue before, I think you're kinda fixated on it and blowing it out of proportion.
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Well if co2 is the problem and we are destroying our planet, it seems to be somthing that left should be embracing, rather than running away from.

The fact that the left does not embrace the solution, probably means the problem is more political than anything.
 
I know for a fact that the private Christian school I went to in 4th grade was substantially better than the public school system. They were teaching more advanced math and sciences.

Many kids in the 4th grade public school couldn't even multiply 8 X 4, and they were already up to working square roots of multiple digit numbers in the Christian school in 4th grade.

So I don't want to hear that bullshit about Christians and the "right wing" being to blame for the shitty education system that you Liberals control and brought down to the level it is currently at.

I think Darwin would be very disappointed to find out that in the future, the dumbest people of the human species are the ones who are having the most kids.
 
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charrison said:
funding? Do you think they get more funding if they find there is no problem?
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I think someone else raised the issue of conspiracy theories. I'm not sure how you can be pro-science if you think the scientific community could be so easily bought. That's not how science works. And if it was, do you really doubt industry wouldn't have bought their desired results decades ago?
 
Infohawk said:
I think someone else raised the issue of conspiracy theories. I'm not sure how you can be pro-science if you think the scientific community could be so easily bought. That's not how science works. And if it was, do you really doubt industry wouldn't have bought their desired results decades ago?
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Well any time industry says anything counter,they are disregarded because they are industry and have interests. People in science are just as easily bought as people anywhere else.
 
There is definitely an anti-intellectual contingent in the Republican party that I strongly disagree with. That being said, I am skeptical of much of the "science" generated around issues like global warming. We now have an entire of industry of climate scientists whose livelihoods are dependent of the global warming being real and being caused by humans. That's a pretty big incentive for them to skew their conclusions and we've seen evidence of this happening.

It's unfortunate because good science is essential to having good policy. We need to find a way to depoliticize it as much as possible and to make sure their aren't incentives or conflicts of interests
 
What gets me laughing every time is people who say Republicans are anti-science yet they themselves don't understand science.

Who do you think has a better understanding of science? Al Gore or an engineer working for the oil industry?
 
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charrison said:
Well any time industry says anything counter,they are disregarded because they are industry and have interests. People in science are just as easily bought as people anywhere else.
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If that's true then the majority of scientists would be saying CO2 is good for the planet since that's what industry would like.
 
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