Conservatives are for kneeling on the football field only for causes they approve

[darkswordsman17]

The absolute idiotic irony of it all is the party spreading these "vets before (insert racial boogieman here)" nonsense consistently votes AGAINST benefits for veterans and has done exactly fuck-all for homeless vets.

Yeah. And Turmp openly trashed multiple vets and their families and people think he gives a shit about the military. Thankfully the current leadership could see who Turmp was and made it clear they were not a pawn for him as he inevitably moved to attempting to keep power.

 

[soulcougher73]

This is the most alarming thing about the current SCOTUS. It’s not just that they rule in an extreme fashion based on the facts, it’s when the facts are indisputably against them they invent ‘facts’ to reach their desired outcome.

arent we supposed to have “checks and balances” by the other branches of government? especially when they are outright lieing.

 

[ivwshane]

arent we supposed to have “checks and balances” by the other branches of government? especially when they are outright lieing.

That’s the convenient part about it! The Supreme Court says they can’t be checked!

 

[pmv]

No, because as long as they were not coerced, pressured, persuaded, or forced students, players, staff, or other participants can participate of their own choosing.

Seems to me when it's an adult in a position of authority and power, doing this in front of children that they have power over, on the very playing field where their authority is directly relevant, there's an implicit pressure involved.

Would it be treated the same way if the guy had started singing The Internationale and waving a hammer-and-sickle flag? Or the previously mentioned case of a Muslim engaging in Islamic prayer?

 

[fskimospy]

Seems to me when it's an adult in a position of authority and power, doing this in front of children that they have power over, on the very playing field where their authority is directly relevant, there's an implicit pressure involved.

Would it be treated the same way if the guy had started singing The Internationale and waving a hammer-and-sickle flag? Or the previously mentioned case of a Muslim engaging in Islamic prayer?

This is exactly the principle enshrined in establishment clause law in the US - or at least was until SCOTUS decided to play some more Calvinball.

It doesn’t matter if they FORCED anyone - this behavior by government officials in the course of their official duties is inherently coercive.

 

[Gardener]

When I was young my dad took me and my little brother, every 3rd-4th Saturday afternoon, to at barbershop in Grand Haven Michigan. The guys would joke, and I would sit there soaking it all in while reading one of the well-worn Mad magazines which for this evangelical boy was mana from heaven.

Of the dozens of panels I still remember was a drawing of an old guy in a prison cell, building a model of the US Capitol out of bread crusts, an example of the human spirit versus the futility of the situation.

There was also a frontal drawing of Farrah Fawcett in a t-shirt, sitting on a toilet, surrounded by cherub angels flying through her farts. She was so hot back then.

 

[pcgeek11]

Not a problem. Now do you want to revisit your position?

https://scholarship.law.stjohns.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1754&context=lawreview

Was anyone coerced, pressured, persuaded, or forced to participate?
Has anyone claimed to have been?

No, I don't.

I think the SCOTUS made the right decision in this case.

 

[pcgeek11]

Seems to me when it's an adult in a position of authority and power, doing this in front of children that they have power over, on the very playing field where their authority is directly relevant, there's an implicit pressure involved.

Would it be treated the same way if the guy had started singing The Internationale and waving a hammer-and-sickle flag? Or the previously mentioned case of a Muslim engaging in Islamic prayer?

I disagree. It was also after the game was over.

It should be as we have a freedom of speech. I don't like the hammer and sickle thing, but I don't have to like it.

 

[HomerJS]

You mean like Kapernick was before the game started?

Whatever, hypocrite

 

[ch33zw1z]

You mean like Kapernick was before the game started?

Whatever, hypocrite

A private citizen kneeling to address obvious grievances against minorities? Out of bounds, can’t have that!

Government employee using their position to facilitate religious preferences at a school event? Totes cool cuz he’s in the tribe

 

[pmv]

arent we supposed to have “checks and balances” by the other branches of government? especially when they are outright lieing.

Seems to me, as I said before, that most of the problem comes back to the bad design of the Senate. The checks and balances don't work because the Senate doesn't work, and it doesn't work because the 2-senators-per-state thing is hopelessly unbalanced with the current distribution of population and demographics (plus the philibuster, another case of unintended consequences).
The only part of the system that functions in a reasonable manner is the House of Representatives.

 

[JD50]

Was anyone coerced, pressured, persuaded, or forced to participate?
Has anyone claimed to have been?

No, I don't.

I think the SCOTUS made the right decision in this case.

How many times are you going to repeat lies about this case? https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184...ton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch

One parent complained to the school district that his son “felt compelled to participate,” despite being an atheist, because the student feared “he wouldn’t get to play as much if he didn’t participate.”

 

[ch33zw1z]

How many times are you going to repeat lies about this case? https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184...ton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch

All the times.

 

[ivwshane]

How many times are you going to repeat lies about this case? https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184...ton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch

It’s called willful ignorance. It’s something the right loves to do on a lot of subjects. Your feels can’t be wrong if you are unaware of the facts that might contradict them.

 

[brycejones]

How many times are you going to repeat lies about this case? https://www.vox.com/2022/6/27/23184...ton-school-football-coach-prayer-neil-gorsuch

Even if he acknowledges the facts of the case he will just move the goalposts again and declare the ruling is still fine.

 

[JD50]

Even if he acknowledges the facts of the case he will just move the goalposts again and declare the ruling is still fine.

Yea, I mean the fact that players would feel pressured to join their coach and team on the field for a prayer should be obvious even without an individual player coming forward.

 

[darkswordsman17]

You two are talking about a man that hates women because they might uslurp seamen from him on a submarine. He's basically a white version of Clarence Thomas. Which, because of affirmative action, he was prevented from becoming the "pube on a Coke can" arbiter of Truth, Justice, and the American Way.