Conservative SC Rep. Doug Brannon to introduce bill to remove Confederate flag

[DrDoug]

I'm seeing a lot of people calling the stars and bars the "Dixie Swastika"...lol

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Rep. Brannon has forgotten the meaning of the Rebel flag, or the right of secession.

I support keeping it because it's part of their heritage, and rebellion - the right of secession - is the American spirit, plus I'm just stubborn that way.

There is no right to secession. It's not in the US Constitution, the Supreme Court has ruled that secession is not legal, and we fought a Civil War specifically to stop states from seceding from the Union. So flying a flag to honor the right of secession is like flying a flag to honor your right to mint your own currency; it's not just "not a right," it's specifically disallowed by our country's laws.

 

[werepossum]

The Southern States still individually exist, and remain home to the families whose ancestors died in that war. I support keeping it because it's part of their heritage, and rebellion - the right of secession - is the American spirit, plus I'm just stubborn that way.

That Americans have become polarized and too intolerant to accept the South after 150 years have passed... that's a damn shame, but whose shame is that? Even those who fought the Civil War allowed the South to fly their flag.

True, but let's remember - this is the battle flag. Yes, it's a beautiful flag. So is some Nazi symbolism. Personally I don't believe that flying the battle flag over a memorial really honors those killed any more than it would for Nazis or the SS, the majority of whom also committed no atrocities. At the end of the day, a noble fight for an evil cause is still a bad thing and should not be celebrated. Let's fly the state flags over our memorials and put the various Confederate flags where they belong - in cases, that we might see and remember.

 

[1prophet]

LMAO!!!! Says the guy who loves his veggies picked by modern day immigrant slaves.

Who said anything about slaves? I want them given documents and worker rights. Meanwhile the South has a serious perception problem, and Confederate flag reinforces that.

And a minimum wage of $15.00 hr plus unionization, which we are sure you will support by digging a little deeper in your pocket for your veggies.

 

[theeedude]

And a minimum wage of $15.00 hr plus unionization, which we are sure you will support by digging a little deeper in your pocket for your veggies.

If that's what it costs, that's what it costs. Of course there will be more incentive for automation on the farm at $15/hr labor.
But that's how you solve the illegal problem, not by making illegal labor cheaper by keeping it underground.

 

[HomerJS]

Comparing the two is a little silly to me. Mass genocide, killing about 11 million. One didn't. Other than the symbol they can't really be correlated. The civil war was also not about just slavery. I don't really care about what they do with the flag, I have no ties to it. The knee jerk reaction to take it down because of some nut job killing 9 innocent people seems silly to me though.

I think it was only 5-6 million. The numbers of blacks lynched/enslaved were less then that so I guess were just dicking around about numbers.

If you can't see why to blacks in this country that flag is synonymous to the Nazi flag your head is intentionally buried in the sand.

 

[Meghan54]

And a minimum wage of $15.00 hr plus unionization, which we are sure you will support by digging a little deeper in your pocket for your veggies.

Not much into ignorance laced hysteria, are you? While some workers in ag. are covered under minimum wage requirements, but never OT requirements (ag. is exempt from paying OT), it's the hand pickers you're implying would get that dreaded $15/hr minimum.

Guess what.....seasonal and migrant farm workers, you know, the workers who tend to work under piece work pay hand picking fruit, vegetables, etc., are *gasp* exempt from minimum wage laws, along with several other exemptions for ag. not having to comply with minimum wage laws. Imagine that. And this has been federal wage law for a long time, not something new.

 

[pcgeek11]

I think the east coast should have the British flag on all government buildings and the south west and california should also have the Mexican flag on government buildings, lastly, Hawaii should be flying the Japanese flag on their government buildings. Why? Heritage and shit.

The confederate flag still flies is because of one of the righties strongest mental traits, denial.

The confederate shouldn't be banned but there is zero reason why government building should have it flying.

Keep up, The Flag was removed from the capital building Years ago. It is flying over the Confederate soldiers memorial. and has been since about the year 2000.

 

[pcgeek11]

How? People are saying that flying symbols of racism and enslavement over your statehouse is a shitty thing to do, and it is.

Telling people who are doing something terrible that they are terrible people for doing it is not just reasonable, it should be expected. I for one am baffled that anyone WOULDN'T be calling these people out for being shitheads.

I mean why haven't you?

It isn't flying over the Statehouse. It was removed in 2000 to the Confederate Soldiers Memorial.

 

[ivwshane]

Keep up, The Flag was removed from the capital building Years ago. It is flying over the Confederate soldiers memorial. and has been since about the year 2000.

Oh, silly me! That's what I get for reading the news!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederat...na-capitol-grounds-provokes/story?id=31863705

 

[Bitek]

How do you think the United States flag looks to Native Americans? Should we take that down as well? It represents a racist genocide that went on for a century.

I find it interesting how some take offense to some flags and not to others. I got into it with somebody who was offended by the Rhodesia flag because of what it represents. I asked them what the rebel flag represents and they lost it.

I'd support taking it down because it represents a nation that doesn't exist anymore. We wouldn't fly the flag of Nazi Germany in this country on our public institutions. Why the rebel flag? Both share a similar trait. Both are destroyed nations relegated to history books.

1.) You can't solve all the world's problems, so solve none of them ? Could say more, but point #2 makes it irrelevant.

2.) The "rebel" flag was never a national flag of the Confederacy.
This was the first:

This was the next

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flags_of_the_Confederate_States_of_America


The flag evolved over time for various reasons, some pragmatic (1st flag too easily confused with the US flag on the battlefield) and others symbolic.
The designer of the 2nd flag:

As a people we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.

Neither of which are flown over SC, but other southern states have imitations of it.

Trivia: When did the current battle flag begin to appear at the SC state capital?
1861?
1880?
1961?

1961. Gee, what else was going on at that time in race relations? Hmmm...
What could have they and the other revivalists been trying to say?


Better said than I:

Southern historian Gordon Rhea further wrote in 2011 that:


It is no accident that Confederate symbols have been the mainstay of white supremacist organizations, from the Ku Klux Klan to the skinheads. They did not appropriate the Confederate battle flag simply because it was pretty. They picked it because it was the flag of a nation dedicated to their ideals: 'that the negro is not equal to the white man'. The Confederate flag, we are told, represents heritage, not hate. But why should we celebrate a heritage grounded in hate, a heritage whose self-avowed reason for existence was the exploitation and debasement of a sizeable segment of its population?

 

[fskimospy]

It isn't flying over the Statehouse. It was removed in 2000 to the Confederate Soldiers Memorial.

They fly the flag on state capitol grounds. They shouldn't.

 

[Bitek]

It isn't flying over the Statehouse. It was removed in 2000 to the Confederate Soldiers Memorial.

Oh, silly me! That's what I get for reading the news!

http://abcnews.go.com/US/confederat...na-capitol-grounds-provokes/story?id=31863705

That's correct. They started flying it as a big "Fuck you" when the uppity negros wanted to go to schools and have voting rights in the 60's.

Forty years later, after much complaining about it's racism and offensiveness, SC agreed to take it off the dome and "move it over there a bit"

 

[pcgeek11]

They fly the flag on state capitol grounds. They shouldn't.

It still isn't on the capital building as you and iw stated. It was moved to a confederate memorial in the year 2000.

Just correcting your incorrect information.

 

[fskimospy]

It still isn't on the capital building as you and iw stated. It was moved to a confederate memorial in the year 2000.

Just correcting your incorrect information.

Okay, but again that is irrelevant.

South Carolina should stop flying symbols of racism on state grounds. It is crazy that this even has to be said. What is wrong with South Carolina?

 

[MongGrel]

I'm seeing a lot of people calling the stars and bars the "Dixie Swastika"...lol

There is a reason for that, obviously.

 

[MongGrel]

Heh, Mexican Nazi's ????

I'd never even heard of that one

 

[HomerJS]

That's correct. They started flying it as a big "Fuck you" when the uppity negros wanted to go to schools and have voting rights in the 60's.

Forty years later, after much complaining about it's racism and offensiveness, SC agreed to take it off the dome and "move it over there a bit"

and prominent conservatives today still refer the presidential family as upppity

 

[KK]

I'm so glad we found the guilty culprit that leads to killings, guns and flags. I'm sure if we do away with both of them the hate will go away. I'm so glad we finally got to the root of the issues and now are dealing with them. No more killings, yeeh haw...

 

[Jimzz]

For those that keep saying "history..." you are full of BS and do not even know history if you think this "Confederate flag" has any real history behind it...

That flag was never adopted by the Confederate Congress, never flew over any state capitols during the Confederacy, and was never officially used by Confederate veterans' groups. The flag probably would have been relegated to Civil War museums if it had not been resurrected by the resurgent KKK and used by Southern Dixiecrats during the 1948 presidential election.


This was the first national flag of the Confederate States of America.

This flag has history, not that of the KKK so maybe that is why when I grew up in the south I only saw this flag at museums and text books.

 

[MongGrel]

I was going to mention that one myself, but has been many times.

It's kind of just beating your head against the wall these days.

 

[HomerJS]

I'm so glad we found the guilty culprit that leads to killings, guns and flags. I'm sure if we do away with both of them the hate will go away. I'm so glad we finally got to the root of the issues and now are dealing with them. No more killings, yeeh haw...

You know even modern Germany wouldn't go along with your logic that's why there is no chance of this coming back...

 

[waggy]

It still isn't on the capital building as you and iw stated. It was moved to a confederate memorial in the year 2000.

Just correcting your incorrect information.

have to say that the only place on government property it should fly is the Confederate Memorial.

 

[Blanky]

For SOME southerners, the flag is a way to be just a tiny bit racist but say "It's not about racism, it's about southern pride *wink wink*."

Not all, but some.

1st amendment protects anybody's right to wave this thing. As far as it being at government buildings? It's harder to defend that these days.

 

[Jaskalas]

There is no right to secession.

Assuming US law applies is to assume people ask for permission to revolt.
King George would love to hear how all he had to do was say no...