DrDoug, I found one that I know is black. I didn't even notice it when I first read the article. Look at the video in the middle of http://www.cnn.com/2015/06/23/politics/confederate-flag-symbols-capitol-hill-reaction/index.html. Called "Black student: Why I support the Confederate flag" I will watch it when I get home, so I am only going on the title and have no clue what he says. Just kinda of LOL'ed when I read it and thought of you.
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His rationale. Relative who fought for the South and they paid him a pension. Kinda low bar since other soldiers got one also.
He chooses to ignore slavery aspect/white superiority aspect and displays it at home.
There will always be outliers. Can probably find one Jewish person who remembers concentration camps fondly. They have that right.
Neither flag should have public support.
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I'm just going to leave you to your wide-eyed-innocent-kind of Where's Waldo game of hunting for people who aren't white and support that flag. I will say that I would be interested to know if you ever meet a white person who is racist. It's very rare that someone can make it to adulthood in America like you have and have never met a racist person except for one racist Mexican (that they rented property to).
So if you ever meet a white racist, do let me know...lol
I was reading it the other way, Interesting watching people make 'water is wet' statements in opposition to the CSA flag when it in fact means different things to different people. Worse, they base their entire position on the CSA flag being accepted by All/Nearly All as the basis for why anyone else is insane/racist/whatever for not wanting it to go. It actually reminds me of the Illegal Invasion debate and how people who want Open Borders must insist we start from that position and make a case for why that can't happen rather than the other way around...and then insist those that aren't pro-Open Borders are racist/xenophobic/etc. Very interesting how peoples indoctrination manifests itself...
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I'm sure some folks like the flag for non racist reasons, I have never met one however.
Ever person I have known with one of these hanging in their garage or car has been a straight up racist.
Doesn't belong in the public domain flying over government buildings, if folks want to tattoo it on their ass be my guest.
You keep saying I was hunting. It was in a large article on CNN. I think I need a new Where's Waldo, book because they forgot to hide him. Or maybe I shouldn't be reading CNN. He is an outlier, that is for sure.
At 37 I have only meet that one racist person. Maybe others were closet racist, I don't know, LOL. And this in the South to, I know hard to believe but true. Maybe I need to get out more and meet some racist, LOL. I am not really the social butterfly though so probably not.
Not from the South so I couldn't really say for sure either way. Comments from people I know from the South though would lead me to believe it's far more about Southern pride/identity than reminding those darkies who runs things (not that they need reminding, they should know Whites do, and soon, Mexicans...certainly won't be them except for perhaps locally). I think what you see from these folks insisting it must be about racism is just them pushing forth their ideology at an opportune moment, nothing more. Of course Politician will Politician, and Media will Media, none of that is new. Basically this is a continuation of how much of someones ideology can be pushed by however means they need to push it, for their benefit. If the people in those states want to allow that/agree with it, so be it, no skin off my teeth. Pretending though their opinion is Truth though is laughable...it literally is like watching a comedy.
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Ahem...
Haha, what a clueless twofer; anti-Muslim and anti-black rhetoric disguised as simple "fairness", despite it being completely irrelevant to the Confederate flag issue at hand. Another fail for the knuckledraggers who'll never understand minorities, the up-and-coming new majority.
How is it not relevant? You want to discuss how the Confederate flag should be taken down, so we point the finger to a million other examples where you turn a blind eye.
Please make a more worthwhile post than saying my post is irrelevant... Without actually saying WHY it isn't relevant. How it isn't relevant is beyond me, but I guess it takes a lot for some of you guys to get out of your 1 dimensional box train of thought. Never thinking outside the box, as per usual.
lotus503
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Not from the South so I couldn't really say for sure either way. Comments from people I know from the South though would lead me to believe it's far more about Southern pride/identity than reminding those darkies who runs things (not that they need reminding, they should know Whites do, and soon, Mexicans...certainly won't be them except for perhaps locally). I think what you see from these folks insisting it must be about racism is just them pushing forth their ideology at an opportune moment, nothing more. Of course Politician will Politician, and Media will Media, none of that is new. Basically this is a continuation of how much of someones ideology can be pushed by however means they need to push it, for their benefit. If the people in those states want to allow that/agree with it, so be it, no skin off my teeth. Pretending though their opinion is Truth though is laughable...it literally is like watching a comedy.
Well this will be decided by the respective states. Doesn't mean I don't have an opinion that its a symbol of hate and general ignorance.
Take a look at what our great capitalistic leaders are doing. Pulling it from the shelves. Because they know it will impact the bottom line, because its becoming a socially unacceptable symbol of hate and racism.
It's not relevant because liberals don't think the government should put Islamic symbolism on government buildings either.
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Nobody but 80-year old "get off my lawn" white men think or care all that much about how blacks wear their pants. Drawing up an analogy of low pants to the Confederate flag is, um, let's just say wildly misplaced, haha.
Ironic, given you seem pretty simple-minded. For one, the Koran, like any religious text, can be taken literally or not, just as the Bible can. Why is the Koran fingered as the cause of 9/11 instead of the depraved minds of terrorists themselves? The Confederate flag's purpose was originally very clear; white supremacy and slavery, and nothing that has occurred since (Reconstruction, Jim Crow) has changed the origins or overall meaning of the Confederate flag enough to keep it flying on gov't property. If you have trouble answering those comments cogently, you'll only confirm what everyone here already knows; you don't get it.
O RLY?
Let's get one thing straight: the issue being discussed on the media and the public is NOT bringing down the Confederate flag. It is about demanding the flag stop being produced altogether, let alone simply flying one on a building or in a yard.
lotus503
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however the issue being discussed in context in the OP is about flying it over government buildings.
Yes, exactly!
The need to sidestep the 150 year history of post Civil War bigotry and violence against blacks in order to promote the idea of the heroic history behind the flag is ... stupefying!
It is with no small irony that the the individual who's actions may ultimately result in the removal of the Stars & Bars will have been one of the very folks promoting the Stars & Bars --
Dylann Storm Roof.
I wonder what the "Storm" stands for?
CU and others can "claim" they support the confederate flag while not being racist, but I fail to see how that's even possible.
Brian
No, not exactly broceritops.
There are plenty of people such as myself that would never buy nor fly such a flag (or bumper sticker). But God damn will I always defend your right to do so.
Also if you fail to see how that is possible you more close minded than you realize. Which is typical amongst your group.
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Fail. That is not what is being discussed by most people save for isolated fringes. Back up your claim, source it.
Fact is, most people, both sides of the aisle now (welcome to last century, conservatives), agree that they shouldn't be on gov't building/property. If someone wants to wear Confederate symbolism on their person, in their home certainly, they are free to do it and I've heard no public officials or media say that Confederate symbolism should be banished everywhere in the country. Walmart banning confederate symbolism is a business decision that itself was a good one if not just for PR reasons, but certainly I haven't heard Walmart call for laws preventing confederate symbolism in people's homes. They are two different things.
That is most certainly not what is being discussed, either in the media or in this thread. I hope we were able to clear up your misunderstanding.
lotus503
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Problem is your trying to equate what is done in public space as a matter of government with individual rights.
They aren't the same thing, anyone has the right to own and fly it. It simply doesn't belong on a government building.
Its tiring listening to people blather on about the first amendment and apply it incorrectly. Its also tiring thinking you have the right to say whatever you want without social consequence.
Nowhere there does she say people should be prevented from flying that flag, just that it shouldn't be flown. There is a frankly gigantic difference.
My guess is you think the Nazi flag shouldn't be flown anywhere. (I certainly do) that does not mean I think people should be stopped from doing it if they want to.
Your examples were total failures because you don't understand the difference between private and government speech.
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Lifer
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Quote where someone says it should be illegal to, as you stated, "be produced altogether, let alone simply flying one on a building or in a yard."
I'll wait.
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