When so many people all in one place prove my theories to be 100% correct, it's hard to stay away :thumbsup:
When so many people all in one place prove my theories to be 100% correct, it's hard to stay away :thumbsup:
Steeplerot
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irishScott
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Regardless of whether the study in the OP is valid or not (IMO it is not, or is at most a much more minor finding being over-generalized), this thread has pretty much proved that liberals see what they want to see. Not that conservatives don't, just saying, as a moderate, it's yet another example of two extremes having a jerk-off-squirt-off and leaving satisfied. Meanwhile it's up to the occasional moderate who slips through the political cracks to clean up the crusty carpet.
Scotteq
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Or, you're displaying the 'moderate fallacy' as you start with the conclusion that nothing either side says can be right, and so you comment on a scientific study as being 'wrong' for no scientific reason at all, no admission you don't know because you don't understand the science so you're neutral, rather you say the science is wrong because you are spouting your own ideology which needs both sides to be 'equal', mostly wrong.
If Democrats push the START treaty or ending an insane tax reduction for the most rich or an end to discrimination against gays, and Republicans oppose them, you can't say one side is right - somehow the right answer can't be either side, each has to be 'partly right', no matter how right one side might be on an issue.
So clearly any science against one side, the science is flawed, you just know it.
You are a sucker for the 'move the goalposts' approach the right uses - since you always are for 'the middle', just move the goalpost, and the old right is the new middle.
irishScott
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Actually I can and have stated my support in this very forum for both sides when I believe they are right. However I also recognize that my beliefs are solely based on my moral code and what I believe to be right via my own observation. Extremist political views, such as many of yours, are usually so intertwined and mixed with the person's moral code that they become central to the persons identity. Hence the reason extremists have the motivation to be more politically active.
ie: I believe in looser gun laws because I believe in my right to judge my own worth. If I'm mugged, or my home is invaded, in that moment my life is worth more than that of my attacker according to my moral code. Given the current state of technology and availability, it is likely that my attacker may be armed. A gun and the skill to use it are central to an adequate defense in that scenario. Note: Not turning this into a gun thread, just an example.
A gun rights extremist may believe in gun rights in part due to something similar to the above, but there's always the political factor. The competitive factor. The fact that the extremist gets off on having his/her views because it helps him/her to alienate others and thus more firmly establish the extremist's identity. Why this identity is not firmly established in the first place is often a personal issue. Suffice to say "us and them" is appealing to the extremist. It's the easy way out and simplifies things. You craig exhibited this exact behavior when you just falsely assigned me the trait of "moderate fallacy" as you call it. And a "sucker for the move-the-goal-post strategy". You sought to pidgeonhole me into a profile you could comprehend and deal with as opposed to even admitting the possibility that your beliefs could be wrong, and that I apparently don't fit any of your neat little profiles.
For my part, I'd point out that there is almost never one singular "right" answer to any political question. The variables are many, the law is never perfect regardless of whom you support, and even if something is 99% right there is always the 1% where it fails. Therefore, literally speaking, the answer is always somewhere in the middle. It's comforting to think of things in "right" and "wrong", but humanity doesn't function on that basis. There are multiple "right" ways to do things and multiple "wrong" ways that happen to fall on all points of the political spectrum.
You are right in that I will almost never state any party as being absolutely "right" on any given issue, but it is because I have considered my position as best I could and arrived at a conclusion that is in the relative center. Rest assured that should the extremes shift for whatever reason, barring new convincing information that position would not change. And if the extremes shifted so as to make me an extremist, at least I would, in logical, moral, and personal detail, know why I was there. And be one of the rare breed of extremists who are actually adults.
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xj0hnx
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fucking republicans ruining shit because of fearful brains.
You bump a three month old thread, a stupid one at that, for that? Brilliant
wuliheron
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fucking republicans ruining shit because of fearful brains.
Don't worry, with modern psycho-pharmacology and the new Obama care we should have these paranoid retards straightened out within a couple of decades.
xj0hnx
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JSt0rm
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Political views are reflected in brain structure
We all know that people at opposite ends of the political spectrum often really can't see eye to eye. Now, a new report published online on April 7th in Current Biology, a Cell Press publication, reveals that those differences in political orientation are tied to differences in the very structures of our brains.
Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say.
"Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual's political orientation," said Ryota Kanai of the University College London. "Our study now links such personality traits with specific brain structure."
Kanai said his study was prompted by reports from others showing greater anterior cingulate cortex response to conflicting information among liberals. "That was the first neuroscientific evidence for biological differences between liberals and conservatives," he explained.
There had also been many prior psychological reports showing that conservatives are more sensitive to threat or anxiety in the face of uncertainty, while liberals tend to be more open to new experiences. Kanai's team suspected that such fundamental differences in personality might show up in the brain.
And, indeed, that's exactly what they found. Kanai says they can't yet say for sure which came first. It's possible that brain structure isn't set in early life, but rather can be shaped over time by our experiences. And, of course, some people have been known to change their views over the course of a lifetime.
It's also true that our political persuasions can fall into many more categories than liberal and conservative. "In principle, our research method can be applied to find brain structure differences in political dimensions other than the simplistic left- versus right-wingers," Kanai said. Perhaps differences in the brain explain why some people really have no interest in politics at all or why some people line up for Macs while others stick with their PCs. All of these tendencies may be related in interesting ways to the peculiarities of our personalities and in turn to the way our brains are put together.
Still, Kanai cautioned against taking the findings too far, citing many uncertainties about how the correlations they see come about.
"It's very unlikely that actual political orientation is directly encoded in these brain regions," he said. "More work is needed to determine how these brain structures mediate the formation of political attitude."
We all know that people at opposite ends of the political spectrum often really can't see eye to eye. Now, a new report published online on April 7th in Current Biology, a Cell Press publication, reveals that those differences in political orientation are tied to differences in the very structures of our brains.
Individuals who call themselves liberal tend to have larger anterior cingulate cortexes, while those who call themselves conservative have larger amygdalas. Based on what is known about the functions of those two brain regions, the structural differences are consistent with reports showing a greater ability of liberals to cope with conflicting information and a greater ability of conservatives to recognize a threat, the researchers say.
"Previously, some psychological traits were known to be predictive of an individual's political orientation," said Ryota Kanai of the University College London. "Our study now links such personality traits with specific brain structure."
Kanai said his study was prompted by reports from others showing greater anterior cingulate cortex response to conflicting information among liberals. "That was the first neuroscientific evidence for biological differences between liberals and conservatives," he explained.
There had also been many prior psychological reports showing that conservatives are more sensitive to threat or anxiety in the face of uncertainty, while liberals tend to be more open to new experiences. Kanai's team suspected that such fundamental differences in personality might show up in the brain.
And, indeed, that's exactly what they found. Kanai says they can't yet say for sure which came first. It's possible that brain structure isn't set in early life, but rather can be shaped over time by our experiences. And, of course, some people have been known to change their views over the course of a lifetime.
It's also true that our political persuasions can fall into many more categories than liberal and conservative. "In principle, our research method can be applied to find brain structure differences in political dimensions other than the simplistic left- versus right-wingers," Kanai said. Perhaps differences in the brain explain why some people really have no interest in politics at all or why some people line up for Macs while others stick with their PCs. All of these tendencies may be related in interesting ways to the peculiarities of our personalities and in turn to the way our brains are put together.
Still, Kanai cautioned against taking the findings too far, citing many uncertainties about how the correlations they see come about.
"It's very unlikely that actual political orientation is directly encoded in these brain regions," he said. "More work is needed to determine how these brain structures mediate the formation of political attitude."
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http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2011-04/cp-pva040511.php
Maybe it wasnt jesus after all. Huh xjohnx.
Maybe it wasnt jesus after all. Huh xjohnx.
xj0hnx
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JSt0rm
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First thing is first. We must send them to gay marriage conditioning consoling and then marry them into same sex marriages. We then must send them to war with a gay person (themselves) and then have them work at planned parenthood serving muslim women contraceptive devices and then finally they will be cured of their paranoia. Unfortunately they were correct all along and osama bin llama will have taken over the entire eastern seaboard by that time and north korea will have nuked the west coast. Liberal atheist scum will have finally realized our stated goals of destroying the country and all will be well.
JSt0rm
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You bump a three month old thread, a stupid one at that, for that? Brilliant
I am assuming he followed the link to this thread from the new thread on the same subject... and got lost in thought....
Jaskalas
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Now all we need is a drug to promote growth in the anterior cingulate cortexes while shrinking the amygdalas and science will have produced the perfect sheep. Of course party members need not apply for such treatment.
wuliheron
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Too much work man. In the sixties it was psychedelics, but now we're on to bigger and better things with psycho-pharmacology! Psychedelics were cool for getting laid and paying your way through college, but psycho-pharmacology is where the real money is at. It's cheaper and easier then all that behavior mod shit and already a runaway best seller. It's just a no-brainer.
WelshBloke
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So your saying theres this shadowy global conspiracy thats managed to keep itself secret.
So why do you think they are organising murals showing their intentions and making their buildings vaguely swastika like?
werepossum
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I think we can guarantee that thought is the last thing he could get lost in! Lost in hate, sure. Lost in platitudes, yeah. Lost in thought? Couldn't get his feet wet.I am assuming he followed the link to this thread from the new thread on the same subject... and got lost in thought....
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