Conservatism grows, negatively correlates with, well... everything

[Steeplerot]

There is more then NYC and here, but 99% of it is the same carbon copy retail chain/fast food wasteland. Acting like the USA is some vibrant multicultural place is foolish. Most folks in this country are miserable and trapped with their lot in life whether they admit it or not and do not/cannot leave.

 

[ElFenix]

AFAIK the best granularity is census tracts, but they're kind of arbitrary. The best would be a dot for each resident showing income, education, race, gender, sexual orientation, political affiliation, marital status, job, and religion but that's not going to happen.

census tracts can be sort of ridiculous. when the census info for texas was released the chronicle latched on to some huge % gains in hispanic population for a couple census tracts. several of them had basically no one living there in 2000 and apartment complexes now. of course there's large gains by some racial group or another.


you'd have to use separate maps. the dot maps showing race/hispanic origin for various cities were really interesting. NYT updated that for the whole country with 2010 census data

There is more then NYC and here, but 99% of it is the same carbon copy retail chain/fast food wasteland. Acting like the USA is some vibrant multicultural place is foolish. Most folks in this country are miserable and trapped with their lot in life whether they admit it or not and do not/cannot leave.

and here i thought conservatives were the ones with negative outlooks.

 

[Steeplerot]

Since you hate America so much maybe you should look into joining the Republican Party.

I think this country is amazing, but people here do not exactly build interesting places to go. How many closed down shopping centers do I need to see? How many rusty watertowers? How many endless rows of boring houses made out of styrofoam shit must blight the landscape?

As far as the natural beauty we are unrivaled in many areas. We are a big country.

 

[Throckmorton]

There is more then NYC and here, but 99% of it is the same carbon copy retail chain/fast food wasteland. Acting like the USA is some vibrant multicultural place is foolish. Most folks in this country are miserable and trapped with their lot in life whether they admit it or not and do not/cannot leave.

Most folks in San Francisco are miserable and trapped in their lot in life whether they admit it or not. Hell, a full 1/4 of your gay men have HIV as of 2006. Yeah, SF is a real utopia.

 

[ProfJohn]

Especially amusing that conservatives are all, "Mah taxes ar too high because dem demcrats ar givin' away all mah money," when...

The Nascar Nation ain't even close to paying for themselves, yet they think it's their taxes that pay for everything. A cute little delusion that their political masters are never going to correct.

Most misused chart in this forum.

The reasons for the tax difference has almost nothing to do with left and right and everything to do with cost of living and our progressive tax system.

Simply put, someone making average income in Mississippi pays very little in income tax compared to someone making average income in NYC. Yet when it comes to standard of living both people would be living a similar life style.

 

[Steeplerot]

Most folks in San Francisco are miserable and trapped in their lot in life whether they admit it or not. Hell, a full 1/4 of your gay men have HIV as of 2006. Yeah, SF is a real utopia.

Gays generally do not breed. Our gay population are refugees from a abusive violent intolerant highly damaged culture from the rest of America. They being here are but a reflection of the rest of the USA really. Take that as you will.
By the way, gay folks live in one neighborhood mainly. We have far more then the Castro as its only a couple dozen blocks on the side of potereo hill.

And no, we are not trapped, it is hard as hell to live here as everyone and their dog wants to. We also have the highest COL in the USA.

 

[FDF12389]

I made a map a couple years ago showing the state redistribution, to point out the hypocrisy of bashing redistribution and "socialism"... But you have to keep in mind there are reasons for that redistribution. Look at which states are on the right side of that chart, and ask yourself what they have in common.

I'm stumped.

 

[ProfJohn]

There is more then NYC and here, but 99% of it is the same carbon copy retail chain/fast food wasteland. Acting like the USA is some vibrant multicultural place is foolish. Most folks in this country are miserable and trapped with their lot in life whether they admit it or not and do not/cannot leave.

You're an idiot.

I have lived in Maine, Florida, Alabama, Virginia, Hawaii and North Carolina as an adult and every one of them had a different feel to them.

It is not the Walmarts and McD's that make the places, it is the people inside that make them.

 

[Steeplerot]

It is not the Walmarts and McD's that make the places, it is the people inside that make them.

And the people are a reflection of what they have been raised with around them. Ignorant, short-sighted, and not a clue about anything outside their little world/TV. Which is why they are so susceptible to bullshit propaganda from talk radio/cable news. They have no other life.

There are good folks out there who got stuck breeding or without the personal courage to actually leave.

Most folks who know better, more adventurous and are more intelligent come to the cities when of age.

That is how America grows.

 

[ElFenix]

And the people are a reflection of what they have been raised with around them. Ignorant, short-sighted, and not a clue about anything outside their little world/TV. Which is why they are so susceptible to bullshit propaganda from talk radio/cable news. They have no other life.

 

[jonks]

Stop throwing a tempter tantrum. Economic difficulties leading to shifts in politics have a long history, hence a plausible causal mechanism, a vital component of any reasonable statistical analysis. I presume you do not deny this.

Ice cream does not have a long history of drowning people, thus it lacks a plausible causal mechanism, a vital component of any reasonable statistical analysis. I presume you do not deny this.

You were of course attempting to falsely relate the two types of variables, which is a bit ironic considering what you were accusing the article of.

Exploring the correlation between current political ideological shifts and economic effects is an interesting and valid topic for discussion, and flailing attempts to try and make the article state the exact opposite of what it did in order to protect the Good Name of Conservatism are a waste of everyone's time.

People often respond poorly to information that they feel reflects negatively on them. In a history class in college a black woman stormed out of the room when the professor brought up the historic trend of 'white flight' from urban areas following the movement of lower socio-economic blacks into those neighborhoods. She was muttering about how the prof was a racist. Better to just ignore that these things happened than even consider them.

 

[ProfJohn]

As always, our analysis only points to associations between variables; we do not make any claims about causation and note that other factors that we have not looked at might come into play. Still, a number of intriguing findings cropped up.

Liberalism, which is stronger in richer, better-educated, more-diverse, and, especially, more prosperous places,

Wow a bunch of liberals writing in a liberal magazine come to the conclusion that liberals are better, anyone surprised?

Someone ask these guys to explain the black population to me. Or maybe they could explain why the largest and most concentrated liberal areas in this country are failing.

The only large liberal areas that are thriving are ones that have outside factors that contribute to their success.

 

[fskimospy]

Wow a bunch of liberals writing in a liberal magazine come to the conclusion that liberals are better, anyone surprised?

Someone ask these guys to explain the black population to me. Or maybe they could explain why the largest and most concentrated liberal areas in this country are failing.

The only large liberal areas that are thriving are ones that have outside factors that contribute to their success.

By all means pro-jo, explain which 'concentrated liberal areas are failing'. It doesn't mean that all people who are liberal are prosperous or that liberalism necessarily leads to prosperity, it's again... a correlation. (and one that can't really be denied)

Cities are the centers of wealth in this country, and they are overwhelmingly liberal. You're going to have to learn to deal with it.

 

[ProfJohn]

And the people are a reflection of what they have been raised with around them. Ignorant, short-sighted, and not a clue about anything outside their little world/TV. Which is why they are so susceptible to bullshit propaganda from talk radio/cable news. They have no other life.

There are good folks out there who got stuck breeding or without the personal courage to actually leave.

Most folks who know better, more adventurous and are more intelligent come to the cities when of age.

That is how America grows.

Actually they move to the suburbs which tend to be overwhelmingly conservative, especially compared to the urban city areas.

 

[jonks]

Wow a bunch of liberals writing in a liberal magazine come to the conclusion that liberals are better, anyone surprised?

Interesting that you designate "less religious", "more diverse" and "more white collar jobs" as "better"...

Why do you hate religious homogeneous blue collar workers?

 

[Steeplerot]

Actually they move to the suburbs which tend to be overwhelmingly conservative, especially compared to the urban city areas.

Some folks make a decision that "dealing with others and real life" is too hard and run for it thinking they will be a better person if they hide. Caucasian folks epically tend to be idealogical cowards like that.

Like raising your kids to be ignorant and isolated is "saving " them from the real world somehow. Sad thing is you can spot these folks a mile away, they play catchup most of their lives socially.

Ever wonder why small-town america breeds so many fucked up people like serial killers, child molesters, violent alcoholics and republicans? Because the culture is a 100% mindfuck that breeds damaged and apathetic individuals whos sociopathic tenancies are fed by tvs artificial idea of US culture instead of having those ideas constantly challenged by real life.

 

[Throckmorton]

Gays generally do not breed. Our gay population are refugees from a abusive violent intolerant highly damaged culture from the rest of America. They being here are but a reflection of the rest of the USA really. Take that as you will.
By the way, gay folks live in one neighborhood mainly. We have far more then the Castro as its only a couple dozen blocks on the side of potereo hill.

And no, we are not trapped, it is hard as hell to live here as everyone and their dog wants to. We also have the highest COL in the USA.

My point isn't that you have a lot of gays. It's that you have an entire class of people that is in serious trouble. And apparently they're ghettoized in Castro? Sounds familiar.

But you San Franciscans are too busy partying at electro-trance clubs and shooting rainbows out of your asses and being proud of yourselves for being "more European" and riding trolleys to acknowledge your own serious problems.

 

[ProfJohn]

By all means pro-jo, explain which 'concentrated liberal areas are failing'. It doesn't mean that all people who are liberal are prosperous or that liberalism necessarily leads to prosperity, it's again... a correlation. (and one that can't really be denied)

Cities are the centers of wealth in this country, and they are overwhelmingly liberal. You're going to have to learn to deal with it.

Detroit, New Orleans, St Louis, DC and many other northern liberal cities.

And it isn't the cities that are the wealth centers, it is the suburbs around the cities.

Look at a city like Charlotte with all its banking down town. Sure all the banks are located in the city center, but the people who own and run the banks all live in the suburbs.

With the exception of a few cities like NYC and Boston you see this across the country. Business have their HQs located in down town urban areas, but the people who own and run those companies live out side of the urban areas.

And conservative vs. liberal becomes far more complicated when you get away from city centers or rural America. When you start looking at the beltway areas around cities the lines between liberal and conservative become very blurry.

 

[Matt1970]

Cities are the centers of wealth in this country, and they are overwhelmingly liberal. You're going to have to learn to deal with it.

So the Liberals are richer, yet they constantly complain that the rich are getting richer.

 

[GodlessAstronomer]

Not much to see outside the city but a endless wasteland of walmarts/parking lots/fast food joints and boring clusters of crackerbox houses.

The rest of the USA is a sad place. (NYC is nice, whats not been gentrified into submission)

You're ignorant. I could name a thousands places I would love to visit in USA and NYC isn't on that list.

Edit - actually NYC is on that list, but my point still stands.

 

[fskimospy]

Detroit, New Orleans, St Louis, DC and many other northern liberal cities.

And it isn't the cities that are the wealth centers, it is the suburbs around the cities.

Look at a city like Charlotte with all its banking down town. Sure all the banks are located in the city center, but the people who own and run the banks all live in the suburbs.

With the exception of a few cities like NYC and Boston you see this across the country. Business have their HQs located in down town urban areas, but the people who own and run those companies live out side of the urban areas.

And conservative vs. liberal becomes far more complicated when you get away from city centers or rural America. When you start looking at the beltway areas around cities the lines between liberal and conservative become very blurry.

You don't appear to understand what a center of wealth is. The transactions that generate the wealth take place in the city, if someone commutes in to work to do it is utterly irrelevant because those transactions by and large wouldn't take place in the suburbs. If you work in a factory but live outside it, you don't try and claim that the focus of widget production is your living room.

Your ability to try and bend reality to fit your preconceived notions is pretty amazing sometimes.

 

[Steeplerot]

My point isn't that you have a lot of gays. It's that you have an entire class of people that is in serious trouble. And apparently they're ghettoized in Castro? Sounds familiar.

Actually, the Castro is known for being the most uptight, cop calling, "get off my lawn you kids!" group. They picked the Castro themselves to set up as a "safe place" from middle american bullshit. And they run it like the places they came from in many ways you can tell. We have a huge HIV+ population for a number of reasons, but no, most are not getting the disease here. They come from elsewhere as we have the infrastructure to keep them from being sick and support from fellows who can help them ease their plight.

The Castro is a fascinating place, a microcosm of middle american dysfunction taken to extremes culturally as they were oppressed by where they came from and come here to "act out" now that they have freedoms.

It's like the freshly 21 year old girl hitting the bar on birthday night. You can see the inhibitions melt away and the person acts a total fool at times.

This is what happens when you raise your kids to be trogolytes in suburbia to "protect" them.

 

[fskimospy]

So the Liberals are richer, yet they constantly complain that the rich are getting richer.

Right. If you think about the meaning of the word 'richer' as opposed to the word 'rich' I'm sure you can think yourself out of what you seem to think is a contradiction.

 

[fskimospy]

You're ignorant. I could name a thousands places I would love to visit in USA and NYC isn't on that list.

Edit - actually NYC is on that list, but my point still stands.

You would have fun here! It's an amazing city.

 

[Matt1970]

Right. If you think about the meaning of the word 'richer' as opposed to the word 'rich' I'm sure you can think yourself out of what you seem to think is a contradiction.

Nice stab at making no sense whatsoever. I guess the only problem is when Conservatives get richer. The Liberal Elite is immune to such criticism.