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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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shira said:
If I'm only a piece of shit, I'm in good shape. Sarah Palin is a cesspool.
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Give it a fucking rest already. Yeah we get it, you have a hard on for Palin. However she has nothing to do with this shooting and yet you keep mentioning her over and over again.

I can't stand the woman either, but unlike you I'm not a mouth breather and can separate reality from shit house rat craziness.
 
William Gaatjes said:
because i think and i am hoping i am wrong, there will be always people like you who want to hurt other people just for fun and because you enjoy kicking against the powers that be. Instead of going with the flow, the situation that 99.99% of people who do not have any problem with it, you remain difficult for no reason other then that being difficult gives you pleasure. And you are not alone.
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I want to hurt people? That's news to me.

As for "going with the flow", I'm not at all interested in "going with the flow" for its own sake. I go with whatever flow is enjoyable, profitable, and healthy for me. Since a large part of increasing my enjoyment depends on good relationships with others I don't do certain things at certain times in certain places... and I didn't need the government to tell me what those things, times, or places are.

Another reason is that once the people are steered in the right direction which they themselves have seen is the better way because of the increase in a happy life, because of the reduction of costs which relates to more savings for a good old retirement day, for sooner repaying of that loan, it is to make sure that it stays that way. And not that some loony goon starts to think that it is hip and trendy to introduce cars that have the efficiency of a T-ford model. People similar like glue sniffers.
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This "loony goon" you speak of wouldn't be able to do anything significant because he wouldn't have a market for his inefficient vehicle. Why is government action needed to correct a problem that wouldn't occur?

The law is needed if one person decides that the other person has no "god given" rights on a happy life.
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First, there is no right to a "happy life".. there's the right to life. Only the ability to pursue happiness is a right.

Second, how, exactly, is either the smoker or the asthma sufferer deciding that the other person has no right to life.. happy or otherwise?

Is it really that hard to understand ? Do you prefer a bed or a plasma tv to sleep on ? Do you want food on your table or do you want an xbox to eat ?
Things you need to be able to live as a bare minimum. Ahd if you want to hang you house for example full of 20 1kW plasma tv's then that is fine, but you are going to be charged for it. You will be paying that electric bill and better not be complaining about a conspiracy of the electrical company working together with the government to steal your "god given right" of having 20 tv's in your house and moaning that the bill is too high. You will pay the same price for electricity as everybody else does.
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Well, we're not really talking about beds, plasma TVs, Xboxs or food on the table. When zealous people get the power of government behind them they can do a great deal of damage. Necessities can become luxuries, luxuries can be banned "for your own good", and individual liberties can be reduced considerably.
 
shiner said:
Political forum, yes.

This thread should not be about partisan politics though.
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Yes, I am sure rush and friends will spin this tomorrow so the people shot were inhuman liberal vermin again and they will have gotten theirs. Then we can resume partisanship, and only then. :whiste:
 
matt0611 said:
I didn't say anything that disagreed with what you responded with. The guy was talking about EM radiation and shit. I said that stuff is banned because it effects other people. Pollution effects other people etc.

Nothing more.

I agree with what you're saying about potential harm, we don't allow people to have WMDs, rocket launchers, etc

There is a balance and the constitution states where that line is drawn when it comes to arms, don't like it? Change it (or go somewhere else)
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Peace. I apologize for not understanding your point and then jumping all over what I thought you meant.
 
zsdersw said:
Any potential negative impact on the lives of others is dependent upon the actions of others.. which makes those who take such actions responsible only if and when those actions occur.
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You live in a dream world utopia.

I think your idea is foolish, naive, too trusting of government, and destined to fail.

Guns/bullets don't kill people or cause harm, people do. Punish the people who commit crimes, not everyone else.
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People commit crimes but with guns it is a lot easier.
You are living in a dream world utopia.

That is all that i can say. This young man that has shot 13 people today would not have killed so much people if my idea was reality. He might have, he could have been the always existing exception. But those thousands of other people would not have been to shoot people. Because on average it does make a difference. And that is the problem of you people. You see one situation and immediately you assume that that is the only possible situation.
That there is no other way. You think to much black and white. You should learn to see different shades of grey. All the people who made the US so great and wonderful where on average people who could see different shades of grey. It is those that can only think in black and white that has caused the harm and the negative image of the US.
 
William Gaatjes said:
No it is not. Because you mentioned about guns and grenades for a second,
now, i like physics and radiation and all that stuff. And it is my god given right to persuade my happiness and you have no right to tell me what to do in my own home. And that my EM radiation is your problem i do not care. Because it is my god given right to to what i want. And you and the government of republicans want to take it away. You people have dictatorial ideas. Dictators nazi's are you. But you want your guns but i cannot have my weapon of choice. You are disturbing my god given right. You enforce on me your laws. You force me to take down my antenna's and tesla coils on my own property, to remove my nulcear setup to process uraniaum i myself have aquired from nature and processed to have a little more kick :'🙂'🙂'(


🙄

(ps. i over exaggerated a bit but you understand i hope what i try to say.)
Not about the uranium, only about the antenna's :colbert:

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There's nothing you didn't exaggerate.
 
TheRedUnderURBed said:
Yes, I am sure rush will spin this tomorrow so the people shot were inhuman liberal vermin again and they will have gotten theirs. Then we can resume partisanship, and only then. :whiste:
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WTF is wrong with you?

Who cares what that vicodin riddled fat ass has to say? I know I don't. Let him and others on both sides blow it out their ass all they want. It shouldn't influence anyone with even 1/4 of a functioning brain and only matters slightly more to the continuing orbiting of the Earth around Sol than the fact that I saw corn in my shit earlier but I haven't eaten corn in at least a week.
 
I guess I haven't been drinking enough tonight...thought I had been, but obviously I need to shut down some more brain cells tonight before I can begin to think down to the level some of you on here are.
 
matt0611 said:
Typo..., and yes, "arms" (not firearms, because its not in the constitution) means what it meant at the time, its a class of weapons that includes pistols and other arms that a soldier would carry. Someone with more knowledge may be able to explain it better than me, but thats how I understand it.
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My bad. Yes, "arms."

So you're saying that "arms" meant "the class of weapons called arms, however that class definition may evolve into the future" to the founders? Is that what you REALLY claim "arms" meant to them?
 
shiner said:
WTF is wrong with you?

Who cares what that vicodin riddled fat ass has to say? I know I don't. Let him and others on both sides blow it out their ass all they want. It shouldn't influence anyone with even 1/4 of a functioning brain and only matters slightly more to the continuing orbiting of the Earth around Sol than the fact that I saw corn in my shit earlier but I haven't eaten corn in at least a week.
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Doesn't matter if you hook up from the supplier himself or dealer. It's all the same dope you guys buy into.
 
shiner said:
I guess I haven't been drinking enough tonight...thought I had been, but obviously I need to shut down some more brain cells tonight before I can begin to think down to the level some of you on here are.
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I recommend 101 Wild Turkey. Damn, I think I'm making a trip to the State Liquor Store. I need to lighten up.
 
Hayabusa Rider said:
I didn't know that reaching for such equivalency was a sought after goal. Congrats, you're about one dumb ass post away.
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YOU started the "piece of shit" dialogue, junior. So if you ban me, I assume you're going to ban yourself, too. Or does the word "principle" have any meaning to you?

And by the way, I'm outta this thread whether you ban me or not.
 
shira said:
My bad. Yes, "arms."

So you're saying that "arms" meant "the class of weapons called arms, however that class definition may evolve into the future" to the founders? Is that what you REALLY claim "arms" meant to them?
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Thats how I've always understood it, certain weapons more clearly fall into arms than others, and ones that are questionable we as a society should have a discussion about.

If its an bomb or explosive device than it would not be considered arms.

Artillery and Cannons are not considered arms to the founders.

Modern pistols I think fall clearly under arms as do rifles.

Grenades would not, rocket launchers would not, poison gas would not, nukes would not.

If we come up with a more futuristic weapon in the future, phasers or something crazy than I think we need to have a discussion as a society about where that would fall under.

We already sort of do this in that we don't allow people to have fully-automatic guns, and you know? I'm fine with this, I'm fine with drawing the line there.
 
William Gaatjes said:
People commit crimes but with guns it is a lot easier.
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Cars make it a lot easier to kill/harm people, too... so why don't we keep all the cars locked up in a big huge vault where they can be rented, but ONLY for going to/from work or getting groceries/clothing. 🙄

That is all that i can say. This young man that has shot 13 people today would not have killed so much people if my idea was reality. He might have, he could have been the always existing exception. But those thousands of other people would not have been to shoot people. Because on average it does make a difference. And that is the problem of you people. You see one situation and immediately you assume that that is the only possible situation.
That there is no other way. You think to much black and white. You should learn to see different shades of grey. All the people who made the US so great and wonderful where on average people who could see different shades of grey. It is those that can only think in black and white that has caused the harm and the negative image of the US.
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The fact remains that in spite of gun/ammunition ownership being allowed... and someone carrying one concealed... the perpetrator is the only one who caused all that death and injury.

Bad/irresponsible people are a minority. You do not curtail the freedoms of the majority to attempt to prevent crimes committed by the minority. That is neither smart nor constitutional.
 
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shira said:
YOU started the "piece of shit" dialogue, junior. So if you ban me, I assume you're going to ban yourself, too. Or does the word "principle" have any meaning to you?

And by the way, I'm outta this thread whether you ban me or not.
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Principle? Hoping someone did something because of a politician? As far as being banned, sorry I won't do that because I think you've been a disgrace. I have principle.
 
zsdersw said:
I want to hurt people? That's news to me.

As for "going with the flow", I'm not at all interested in "going with the flow" for its own sake. I go with whatever flow is enjoyable, profitable, and healthy for me. Since a large part of increasing my enjoyment depends on good relationships with others I don't do certain things at certain times in certain places... and I didn't need the government to tell me what those things, times, or places are.
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Can you accept that what is enjoyable , profitable and healthy for you is not the same for another person ? We are not clones from each other. I may not like what you do for fun. Are you now going to enforce upon me that i have to do what you like ? I am turning this around for a few minutes.

This "loony goon" you speak of wouldn't be able to do anything significant because he wouldn't have a market for his inefficient vehicle. Why is government action needed to correct a problem that wouldn't occur?
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And how would you know that for certain ? An example, people are wearing pants that is at least 3 sizes to small for their body. Or they wear pants that looks like they have taken 10 dumps of shit in it. Both pants seem uncomfortable to me yet they do wear them. And since it is hip and media advertised... Girls like to wear slingshots and now it is also for men hip to wear thongs on the beach. Now since other then the desire to claw my eyes out after seeing that, it is no real danger their is no law needed. Until someone finds it hip to wear crotchless pants openly. You forget the effects media and social networks have.


First, there is no right to a "happy life".. there's the right to life. Only the ability to pursue happiness is a right.

Second, how, exactly, is either the smoker or the asthma sufferer deciding that the other person has no right to life.. happy or otherwise?
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I advice you to read about the p53 gene and benzopyrene.
And read about asthma sufferers. How fun it is to suffocate and thinking you are going to die every time you have an attack.

Well, we're not really talking about beds, plasma TVs, Xboxs or food on the table. When zealous people get the power of government behind them they can do a great deal of damage. Necessities can become luxuries, luxuries can be banned "for your own good", and individual liberties can be reduced considerably.
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When people who cannot have respect for other people have no laws to prevent them from harming other people, and when these people refuse to solve issues in a democratic way, they do a great deal of damage. It is not that they can do it, it is that they will do it.
 
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