Congress set to make most of Patriot Act PERMANENT.

[techs]

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/polit...a511fdda18232&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Basically all of the Patriot Act is about to become permanent. The congress is to vote that 14 of 16 provisions will become permanent and 2 will be extended seven years.
Just like a third world banana republic which institutes regrettable "temporary" restrictions on freedom but then keeps them forever so has the U.S.
I won't go into the most egregious parts of the law. Even most of its ardent supporters say its pretty drastic but that it was necessary for the war on terrorism. Now it is to be the law of the land, forever.
Pardon me while shed a tear for America.

 

[dmcowen674]

Originally posted by: techs
http://www.nytimes.com/2005/11/17/polit...a511fdda18232&ei=5094&partner=homepage

Basically all of the Patriot Act is about to become permanent. The congress is to vote that 14 of 16 provisions will become permanent and 2 will be extended seven years.

Just like a third world banana republic which institutes regrettable "temporary" restrictions on freedom but then keeps them forever so has the U.S.

I won't go into the most egregious parts of the law. Even most of its ardent supporters say its pretty drastic but that it was necessary for the war on terrorism. Now it is to be the law of the land, forever.

Pardon me while shed a tear for America.

Vote for me and I will do everything that I possibly can to restore America to it's glory.

That is simply my Campaign and my Promise.

 

[JackStorm]

Heh...Is anyone really surprised? Once ANY government has given itself power, it is VERY unlikely to give it up. This is just how things are, doesn't matter what form of government you have, these kind of things always happen in the end.

 

[Strk]

Lame 🙁

 

[Czar]

ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Anyone who thought this would only be temporary is either naive and too trusting of the government or just ignorant of history.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Anyone who thought this would only be temporary is either naive and too trusting of the government or just ignorant of history.

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Anyone who thought this would only be temporary is either naive and too trusting of the government or just ignorant of history.

maybe but this is how it was accepted, people thought it would never go through congress

but it did

people never thought it would become permanent

but it probably will


and I'm talking just about everyone of all sides of the political spectrum

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Anyone who thought this would only be temporary is either naive and too trusting of the government or just ignorant of history.

maybe but this is how it was accepted, people thought it would never go through congress

but it did

people never thought it would become permanent

but it probably will


and I'm talking just about everyone of all sides of the political spectrum

Most of the people in this country don't even know what it is. You've seen the video of people putting a north korea pin on the aussieland

 

[Czar]

Originally posted by: halik

Originally posted by: Czar

Originally posted by: JackStorm

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Anyone who thought this would only be temporary is either naive and too trusting of the government or just ignorant of history.

maybe but this is how it was accepted, people thought it would never go through congress

but it did

people never thought it would become permanent

but it probably will


and I'm talking just about everyone of all sides of the political spectrum

Most of the people in this country don't even know what it is. You've seen the video of people putting a north korea pin on the aussieland

true but I'm talking about this forum

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: Czar
and I'm talking just about everyone of all sides of the political spectrum

Of course, there would be no point in singling out and blaming Republicans, Democrats or for that matter, Bush, for this disaster in the making. The cause of this has to do with people being naive, thinking the government can be trusted with this much power. When in reality they should be forever vigilant of their governments actions.

Moral of the story: Don't give a government powers you don't want them to keep.

 

[ahurtt]

Nothing is truly permanent. This can be undone. But it doesn't make any sense to have the patriot act expire in the middle of the war on terror. . .Now just how long will the war on terror go on is anybody's guess. I think they are just making it "permanent" until it is truly no longer needed so they don't have to worry about going through the effort of renewing it every couple of years as long as there is still a "war on terror." But the war on terror is one that I'm not sure we will ever know if we have won . . .we will only be told that as long as terror strikes continue in the world the war has not been won. Is it truly a war that is winnable?

 

[JackStorm]

Originally posted by: ahurtt
Is it truly a war that is winnable?

No, it isn't. You can't win a war against an idea or belief. Not within a generation anyway. There will always be some that will commit "acts of terror". Which is the reason why the PATRIOT ACT and it's legacy will never be truly undone. This is just an excuse to expand the governments power over the people.

 

[sonoma1993]

now that they are working on making the patriot pernamanet, what kind of power will this give the goverment?

 

[phillyTIM]

Not surprised at all here. We knew this all was coming. It is a classic form of tyranny as handed down through history.

It's just so friggin' damn sad that Americans can't see the forest despite the trees right in front of them.

Bush's Regime reworks itself based upon historical and analytical resources; when are the American people going to do the same?????

 

[laFiera]

heh! way back when this happened i told my friends 9/11 was just an excuse to say it was a temporary act, and it would later become permanent; they all made fun of me and told me to go watch conspiracy theories. 4 years later and voila, and my supposed conspiracy came true. it wont be long before we have foreign troops arresting american citizens here in usa soil, but hell, i'm crazy and that's just another conspiracy theory....

 

[phillyTIM]

the sad part is that this PROVES that there REALLY are enough DUMB Americans to allow this to happen...for putting Bush's Regime into office...and for not writing their congressional representatives to repeal the Act.

 

[Medicine Bear]

So exactly what freedoms have you lost due to the Patriot Act?

 

[Helenihi]

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Well actually a lot of people said it really wasn't that big of a deal and doesn't change nearly as much as people think it does, and most of the troublesome portions have been changed in the proposed legislation.



Everyone here is overreacting and probably doesn't actually know much or anything about what it actually changes.

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Wasn't the Patriot Act passed in the Senate by a something like a 98-1 vote? Damn those conservatives and bush supporters!

 

[Mean MrMustard]

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Wasn't the Patriot Act passed in the Senate by a something like a 98-1 vote? Damn those conservatives and bush supporters!

What does that have to do with them saying 'not to worry it's only temporary'?

I always thought these so-called conservatives were for smaller gov't, with all of them voting for it, obviously not.

 

[Starbuck1975]

So exactly what freedoms have you lost due to the Patriot Act?

Well actually a lot of people said it really wasn't that big of a deal and doesn't change nearly as much as people think it does, and most of the troublesome portions have been changed in the proposed legislation. Everyone here is overreacting and probably doesn't actually know much or anything about what it actually changes.

:thumbsup:

But, but, but...we can't go a day without at least one thread on "OMG Bush is teh Hitler and a fascist."

 

[cKGunslinger]

Originally posted by: Donny Baker

Originally posted by: cKGunslinger

Originally posted by: Czar
ahhh, and I remember all the conservatives and all the bush supporters when the patriot act was first proposed, they all said it was ok, it was only temporarly

Wasn't the Patriot Act passed in the Senate by a something like a 98-1 vote? Damn those conservatives and bush supporters!

What does that have to do with them saying 'not to worry it's only temporary'?

I always thought these so-called conservatives were for smaller gov't, with all of them voting for it, obviously not.

Don't get me wrong, I think the Patriot Act is a total abomination, but the post to which I was reply sounded an awful lot like "Golly! Those mean old Republicans told us it was only temporary, so all us innocent, honest Democrats were duped into voting for it," which is both stupid and naive.

And in a mirrored response to you absurd allegation: "I always thought the so-called liberals were all about personal freedoms and liberties, with all of them voting for it, obviously not." :roll:

 

[Starbuck1975]

Those mean old Republicans told us it was only temporary, so all us innocent, honest Democrats were duped into voting for it,"

"We were duped" is apparently the new platform of the Democratic Party.

 

[techs]

Originally posted by: Medicine Bear
So exactly what freedoms have you lost due to the Patriot Act?

Without a warrant or probable cause, the FBI can now search your private medical records or access your library records. Your doctor or local library is forbidden from notifying you when these searches take place. The government may search your home while you are away and in some cases even confiscate your property. Judicial oversight of these measures is virtually nonexistent. These are only a few of the PATRIOT Act's provisions that compromise our civil liberties.

One of the wackiest provisions is the authorization to collect secret information including wiretaps on American citizens if requested to do so by a foreign government. Even governments with no treaties with the US. In other words if Saudi Arabia or Israel or China asks the US to gather information on an individual than the US can choose to ignore virtually all constitutional protections to obtain such information.