Congress May Extend Daylight-Saving Time

[miri]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's an idea...build some nuclear power plants! That would reduce the amount of oil we use for power generation. Not all 20billion gallons of oil goes to cars.

Only 3% of our power comes from oil. What are you going to do with spent nuclear rods? We have 2000 tons of spent nucear rods a year that need long term storage.

3% = 600million barrels of oil a day. And our power needs are ever expanding. Every little bit helps.

As for nuclear rods, I seem to recall a giant storage facility under a desolate mountain in the Nevada desert that has been under construction but is continuously blocked from use by the enviro lobby.

We use 20 million barrels a day total. Care to explain how you got the 600 million barrels a day figure just for power? Also you know how dangerous it is to transport spent fuel rods?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: GhettoPeanut
nuclear power is a stupid idea, it doesn't actually solve the problem. and the waste created from the plants is far worse then burning oil.

Who said anything about it solving the problem? It's only part of the solution not the whole solution. And, it makes a whole lot more sense, IMO, than playing around with DST.

The latest generation of nuclear power plants are much safer today than we stopped building them in the 80s. Those enviro-conscience Euros haven't seemed to have had a problem with them.

the actual solution is the research into better methods of energy use and the outlaw of worthless sh!t like race car driving and SUV's.

Only part of the solution, not the whole solution.

 

[JulesMaximus]

Originally posted by: Trevelyan

Originally posted by: JeffCos
Can't we just shut down the entire country for a week. No cars allowed on the roads at all. Only public transportation and emergency vehicles. Who wouldn't want a week off from work. That would probably save about 15million barrels a day x 5 = lots of oil!

Sooo what? We gain an extra week before the apocylypse?

I think its a good idea to extend it... frankly, anytime our government pushes a bill to CONSERVE ENERGY I think its a splendid idea... we don't get to see a lot of those bills reallly. Hopefully this is a first step in a serious of energy conservation measures. I think that is simply the smartest thing our government can do to deal with higher energy costs.

At least they aren't debating whether or not to keep a vegetable alive anymore. :roll:

 

[Jzero]

Originally posted by: SelArom
well then WTF do we Fing do it?!!

According to CBS News Sunday Morning (I state this because it's not like news media is never wrong) it was first posed by an English golf enthusiast at the end of the 19th century who honestly did want to increase his time on the links.

But it was embraced politically for a variety of reasons in a pre-electric age. In particular, it meant stores and businesses and markets could stay open later since they had an extra hour of daylight.

Not everyone liked it. Farmers in particular never went for it. The rooster crows as the sun comes up no matter what your clock says. They worked from sun up to sun down all along.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's an idea...build some nuclear power plants! That would reduce the amount of oil we use for power generation. Not all 20billion gallons of oil goes to cars.

Only 3% of our power comes from oil. What are you going to do with spent nuclear rods? We have 2000 tons of spent nucear rods a year that need long term storage.

3% = 600million barrels of oil a day. And our power needs are ever expanding. Every little bit helps.

As for nuclear rods, I seem to recall a giant storage facility under a desolate mountain in the Nevada desert that has been under construction but is continuously blocked from use by the enviro lobby.

We use 20 million barrels a day total. Care to explain how you got the 600 million barrels a day figure just for power? Also you know how dangerous it is to transport spent fuel rods?

Gah...600k. My mistake. I went off of billion for some reason.

And you prefer to do what with the fuel rods? Sitting in communities?

 

[miri]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's an idea...build some nuclear power plants! That would reduce the amount of oil we use for power generation. Not all 20billion gallons of oil goes to cars.

Only 3% of our power comes from oil. What are you going to do with spent nuclear rods? We have 2000 tons of spent nucear rods a year that need long term storage.

3% = 600million barrels of oil a day. And our power needs are ever expanding. Every little bit helps.

As for nuclear rods, I seem to recall a giant storage facility under a desolate mountain in the Nevada desert that has been under construction but is continuously blocked from use by the enviro lobby.

We use 20 million barrels a day total. Care to explain how you got the 600 million barrels a day figure just for power? Also you know how dangerous it is to transport spent fuel rods?

Gah...600k. My mistake. I went off of billion for some reason.

And you prefer to do what with the fuel rods? Sitting in communities?

No, but each new powerplant will produce more and more spent fuel rods. We have enough of them as is, do we need to add more?

 

[SelArom]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: GhettoPeanut
nuclear power is a stupid idea, it doesn't actually solve the problem. and the waste created from the plants is far worse then burning oil.

Who said anything about it solving the problem? It's only part of the solution not the whole solution. And, it makes a whole lot more sense, IMO, than playing around with DST.

The latest generation of nuclear power plants are much safer today than we stopped building them in the 80s. Those enviro-conscience Euros haven't seemed to have had a problem with them.

the actual solution is the research into better methods of energy use and the outlaw of worthless sh!t like race car driving and SUV's.

Only part of the solution, not the whole solution.

it's a much better solution than just "meh there's plenty of oil left, why bother conserving and researching better methods of energy?" and about the nuclear rods, why don't we shoot em into the sun or something? that may sound naive (and it is, I don't know sh!t about sh!t) but wouldn't it make more sense NOT to keep them here once we don't need them any more?

-SelArom

 

[NuclearNed]

Originally posted by: GhettoPeanut
nuclear power is a stupid idea, it doesn't actually solve the problem. and the waste created from the plants is far worse then burning oil. the actual solution is the research into better methods of energy use and the outlaw of worthless sh!t like race car driving and SUV's.

if you want to know more, read this, its prolly the only inteligent thing to come out of rollingstone in about 10 years.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/st...?pageid=rs.Politics&pageregion=single1

they do not howerver mention that he middle east doesn't really care about oil, their main usage for it in the future will be to trade for clean water, as their population grows their need for it will ever so increase, but as we all know, its a desert out there, and they dont have allot. its the main reason the palistine conflict is happening, its only partly religious, its also majorly water greed. that and this article doesn't mention the oil in Russia and the newly descovered South China sea oil.

This post is full of nothing but opinions, fear-mongering, and misinformation. Nuclear power is by far cleaner and safer than anything else out there, including petroleum. Until hydrogen becomes economical to produce, nuclear power is our best option by a long shot.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's an idea...build some nuclear power plants! That would reduce the amount of oil we use for power generation. Not all 20billion gallons of oil goes to cars.

Only 3% of our power comes from oil. What are you going to do with spent nuclear rods? We have 2000 tons of spent nucear rods a year that need long term storage.

3% = 600million barrels of oil a day. And our power needs are ever expanding. Every little bit helps.

As for nuclear rods, I seem to recall a giant storage facility under a desolate mountain in the Nevada desert that has been under construction but is continuously blocked from use by the enviro lobby.

We use 20 million barrels a day total. Care to explain how you got the 600 million barrels a day figure just for power? Also you know how dangerous it is to transport spent fuel rods?

Gah...600k. My mistake. I went off of billion for some reason.

And you prefer to do what with the fuel rods? Sitting in communities?

No, but each new powerplant will produce more and more spent fuel rods. We have enough of them as is, do we need to add more?

Yes, we do. Nuclear power generates cleaner energy than either coal or oil. Only hydrogen, solar, and wind generate cleaner but they don't generate near enough energy. Like I said before, those enviro-conscience Euros don't seem to be having a problem with their nuclear power plants...

 

[Stark]

i absolutely love daylight savings. being able to go on a bike ride after work without lights is wonderful.

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SelArom
it's a much better solution than just "meh there's plenty of oil left, why bother conserving and researching better methods of energy?" and about the nuclear rods, why don't we shoot em into the sun or something? that may sound naive (and it is, I don't know sh!t about sh!t) but wouldn't it make more sense NOT to keep them here once we don't need them any more?

-SelArom

Never said there was no need to conserve or do research into better energy generation. However, it is naive to ignore the current realities and go off on a pipe-dream about a utopian future with clean renewable energy and everybody riding mass transit. You've got to have something that bridges that gap and we currently don't have that yet despite all the research efforts.

 

[SunnyD]

Has nothing to do with the farmers.

 

[StageLeft]

That won't save sh*t. It's like pissing on a bonfire.

 

[SelArom]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SelArom
it's a much better solution than just "meh there's plenty of oil left, why bother conserving and researching better methods of energy?" and about the nuclear rods, why don't we shoot em into the sun or something? that may sound naive (and it is, I don't know sh!t about sh!t) but wouldn't it make more sense NOT to keep them here once we don't need them any more?

-SelArom

Never said there was no need to conserve or do research into better energy generation. However, it is naive to ignore the current realities and go off on a pipe-dream about a utopian future with clean renewable energy and everybody riding mass transit. You've got to have something that bridges that gap and we currently don't have that yet despite all the research efforts.

well then i agree with you, except to say that maybe we should spend more money on reasearching these things instead of funding say oh a war that kills lots of people and really dumb movies like Alone in the Dark that cost $20 million to make and don't return even a quarter of that back... yeah it's a pipe dream, but it is definitely better than the dumb state we're in now.

-SelArom

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Has nothing to do with the farmers.

Another perceived benefit of DST is increased opportunities for outdoor activities. Most people plan outdoor activities during the increased hours of sunlight.

QFT. I'm able to go home and play ball with my son outside. I'm teaching him how to hit left and right-handed right now.

 

[Ryan]

I say give it a go Hell, why not make daylight savings time all year?

 

[Kyteland]

Originally posted by: miri
No, but each new powerplant will produce more and more spent fuel rods. We have enough of them as is, do we need to add more?

I say we build schools out of them. Not only does that solve the disposal problem but it makes inroads on the education problem. Two birds with one stone.

Won't anybody think of the children?

 

[Queasy]

Originally posted by: SelArom

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SelArom
it's a much better solution than just "meh there's plenty of oil left, why bother conserving and researching better methods of energy?" and about the nuclear rods, why don't we shoot em into the sun or something? that may sound naive (and it is, I don't know sh!t about sh!t) but wouldn't it make more sense NOT to keep them here once we don't need them any more?

-SelArom

Never said there was no need to conserve or do research into better energy generation. However, it is naive to ignore the current realities and go off on a pipe-dream about a utopian future with clean renewable energy and everybody riding mass transit. You've got to have something that bridges that gap and we currently don't have that yet despite all the research efforts.

well then i agree with you, except to say that maybe we should spend more money on reasearching these things instead of funding say oh a war that kills lots of people and really dumb movies like Alone in the Dark that cost $20 million to make and don't return even a quarter of that back... yeah it's a pipe dream, but it is definitely better than the dumb state we're in now.

-SelArom

Ignoring the war part because I don't want to go into P&N territory. But for the rest, we can always spend our money on something better. That $20 million spent on Alone in the Dark was paid out to alot of people behind the scenes and so it was a benefit to them and their families if not to the enterprise as a whole. I imagine trillions of dollars have already been spent on various energy research project both privately and federally.

 

[Rogue]

I know it doesn't contribute a lot to the discussion, but fvck Daylight Savings Time. It's never done anything for me but screw up my sleep patterns and make me miserable until I adjust.

 

[SelArom]

Originally posted by: Queasy

Originally posted by: SunnyD
Has nothing to do with the farmers.

Another perceived benefit of DST is increased opportunities for outdoor activities. Most people plan outdoor activities during the increased hours of sunlight.

QFT. I'm able to go home and play ball with my son outside. I'm teaching him how to hit left and right-handed right now.

thanks for the link!! very informative! I have a whole new outlook on it, but it is STILL DUMB! the above idea of getting up with the morning and ending the day with the evening is a good one. screw clocks, they're just another way of locking us into routine.

-SelArom

 

[MisterCornell]

Dumbest idea I've ever heard of. Do these people in Washington think they control the sun?

 

[SelArom]

Originally posted by: MisterCornell
Dumbest idea I've ever heard of. Do these people in Washington think they control the sun?

no they control the clocks! "CLOCK STAND STILL!!"

-SelArom

 

[deftron]

I love DST but only when it's warm out.

The new plan doesn't sound bad...




BTW... doesn't it only extend it for 1 month and 1 week ... not 2 months?

Current DST is first Sunday of April to last Sunday of October

New plan is last Sunday in March to last Sunday in November

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: miri

Originally posted by: Queasy
Here's an idea...build some nuclear power plants! That would reduce the amount of oil we use for power generation. Not all 20billion gallons of oil goes to cars.

Only 3% of our power comes from oil. What are you going to do with spent nuclear rods? We have 2000 tons of spent nucear rods a year that need long term storage.

Nuclear power is an efficient way to create hydrogen, and hydrogen can burn in a passenger car with a simple retrofit of the fuel delivery system that costs roughly $1000 dollars.

Only irrational people are afraid of nuclear power. I'm serious. Modern plants are safe, reliable, and efficient. Not one person was so much as injured at 3 Mile Island -- it was pure media hype -- but not one new plant has been built since.

As for DST, it is a crock. Wake up a fscking hour earlier, eh? It would be the same thing.

 

[oog]

i would hate to update all those computer systems that have the time change built into them. i'm not just talking about the OS either.