ok i just bought 2 246 opterons and was going pick up the pny nvidia quadro fx 1100 card until i saw this wicked nvidia geforce 6800 ultra card. now im going to primary use this system for use with maya, 3D modeling animation rendering and stuff but would like to play games as well. the fx 1100 came out like a year ago costs $630.00 this new 6300 ultra costs around 500.00. i would like to know what benefit is there to get the fx. can this 6300 do the same things the fx can and be utilized with new demanding games? if the 6300 cant come close to what the fx can do "maya" wise then ill have to stick with the fx. anybody know about the difference in card types in general? thanks yall.
confused on game card or workstation card
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for those types of 3d programs(mya,3dsmax, ect) the 6800 will work great. programs like pro e or inventor would work better with the 1100 once you start working with huge assemblies. i would go with the 6800 all day. they do have a quadro version of the 6800 in the works is you want to wait and see how much thats gonna cost.
JBlaze
JBlaze
guys... you cannot buy the 6800 yet anyway. both the ATi X800 and Nvidia 6800 are gonna be available at the same time. Also, you might want to look at ATi's next-gen fireGL cards (based off the R420)
dont even mention ati cards when talking real 3d software anyways. i use my 9800 here and there but they just dont compare to nvidia cards.
JB
JB
im definatly not going for the fire gls. period. i would like to see how "game" cards compare to "workstation" cards. especially low to mid range professional workstation cards like the fx 1100 to something similarly priced. does that exist? a comparison like that. i almost feel like i would be wasting my money on a mid range card for 630.00 when this killer 6800 is cheaper and i may get more bang for my buck. i think this workstation card thing is a marketing ploy crazy prices and whatnot. but its something id very much like to be sure on.
very true...people talk about ati being so much better than nvidia right now, but when it comes to workstation cards...ATI has been behind (to such a degree it's almost laughable) for a long time...
Really makes me wish IBM would start putting quadro go1000s in xxxP serries laptops... I love my T41p, but a quadro would make it perfect. this Firegl T2 thing falls short of quadro cards from a couple generations ago..
if you're only using windows and don't mind a lack of support for hardware AA lines (ugs/proE), you can hack (software- rivatuner) a 5900 to get most of the functionality of the FX3000. Really the best bang for your buck as far as a workstation card goes. A 5800 ultra is fully moddable to an FX2000 if you need the AA lines. The 6800 may or may not be moddable to a quadro 4000, but it will be some time before anyone figures that out and/or writes the software for it.
also, with a modded card, you could dual boot two installations of windows, one for working, one for gaming. gaming could run as a geforce, quadro for working.
Really makes me wish IBM would start putting quadro go1000s in xxxP serries laptops... I love my T41p, but a quadro would make it perfect. this Firegl T2 thing falls short of quadro cards from a couple generations ago..
if you're only using windows and don't mind a lack of support for hardware AA lines (ugs/proE), you can hack (software- rivatuner) a 5900 to get most of the functionality of the FX3000. Really the best bang for your buck as far as a workstation card goes. A 5800 ultra is fully moddable to an FX2000 if you need the AA lines. The 6800 may or may not be moddable to a quadro 4000, but it will be some time before anyone figures that out and/or writes the software for it.
also, with a modded card, you could dual boot two installations of windows, one for working, one for gaming. gaming could run as a geforce, quadro for working.
wow....thats sounds like a dream come true. im not sure but isnt there a certain advantage to having the quadro type like for software or drivers and stuff. but i will definatly look into the modding thing. thats new to me.
didn't see your post before submitting.
to answer: the hardware is nearly identical (at least for nvidia, I believe ati as well). For alot of the cards, moving a resistor or two and/or some software patching often enables most of the pro functionality, which is crippled in the gaming versions of the cards. Pretty much you're paying for advanced driver development, garanteed compatibility with pro apps, and (maybe) a higher level of quality control. If you work in a mission critical environment, that stuff is worth the moolah. if not...dig around, the hacks are pretty easy
obviously Nvidia doesn't like this, and they've implemented new protections in recent drivers... however, there are workarounds for just about everything (except the 6800).
to answer: the hardware is nearly identical (at least for nvidia, I believe ati as well). For alot of the cards, moving a resistor or two and/or some software patching often enables most of the pro functionality, which is crippled in the gaming versions of the cards. Pretty much you're paying for advanced driver development, garanteed compatibility with pro apps, and (maybe) a higher level of quality control. If you work in a mission critical environment, that stuff is worth the moolah. if not...dig around, the hacks are pretty easy
obviously Nvidia doesn't like this, and they've implemented new protections in recent drivers... however, there are workarounds for just about everything (except the 6800).
not sure I understand what you mean... I didn't mean to imply that the modded cards weren't up to snuff.
the modded cards perform as well or better than real quadros, with the quadro features, with a few exceptions (aa lines on the 5900 and 5950). The downside is: no linux (bad if your big into pro level maya), and if you have trouble, you can't whine to Nvidia about it. you're also somewhat limited in the drivers you can use. I helped a friend set up a PNY 5900 Ultra>FX3000 on his 3.2 Ghz dell using the 45.28 drivers. The modded setup got better specviewperf scores (except in Ugs, which was abysmal) than a dual 3.2 ghz xeon running a real quadro 3000 (his was slightly overclocked). hitting 28 on specviewperf 3dsmax on a $220 card is pretty darn good bang for the buck. But if you want that kind of performance without any extra work and the option to have nvidia tech support available (what I meant by "mission critical"), the only option is a real quadro...and yes, the 1100 looks like the best buy for that line at the moment, but the 2000 or 3000 might get more reasonable when the 4000 hits this summer.
the modded cards perform as well or better than real quadros, with the quadro features, with a few exceptions (aa lines on the 5900 and 5950). The downside is: no linux (bad if your big into pro level maya), and if you have trouble, you can't whine to Nvidia about it. you're also somewhat limited in the drivers you can use. I helped a friend set up a PNY 5900 Ultra>FX3000 on his 3.2 Ghz dell using the 45.28 drivers. The modded setup got better specviewperf scores (except in Ugs, which was abysmal) than a dual 3.2 ghz xeon running a real quadro 3000 (his was slightly overclocked). hitting 28 on specviewperf 3dsmax on a $220 card is pretty darn good bang for the buck. But if you want that kind of performance without any extra work and the option to have nvidia tech support available (what I meant by "mission critical"), the only option is a real quadro...and yes, the 1100 looks like the best buy for that line at the moment, but the 2000 or 3000 might get more reasonable when the 4000 hits this summer.
i was just commenting on your name. Dubb..dubious as in doubtful which you are not as in you know what you are talking about. i looked up rivatuner which you mentioned before and found an interesting forum conserning videocard modding called guru3D. i hope to learn what you have done for your friend and set up a PNY 5900u to a fx3000 and be able to boot up for working or gaming. there is some decent info on that site. hope i dont screw anything up. hmm you wouldnt happen to live in chicago suburbs wouldya....ha jk. but thanks again.
so if its useless in the end all im left with is a sorry. and maybe some gas money. how bout if i get to break what you got. hey now that sounds like fun. equal value of course.
guru3d is a great forum. I was digging around for the link, but my wireless connection has been in and out all night. wasn't having much luck getting past the main page. I thought maybe the forum was down.
that's where I found out about the FX mod (before that, only up to the GF4 4600 was moddable...I still have my old desktop running a softquadro'd 4200>700xgl) Unwinder is a mod there, he wrote rivatuner and the softquadro patch scripts...smart guy, pay attention to any of his posts.
heck, you could softquadro your 4600 to a 900xgl if you wanted to play around with it.
anyway, if you want to try it, scan through that sticky'd thread in the rivatuner forum on guru3d. someone named bluefire or bluesmoke (or something like that) gives complete instructions for the 5900 ultra>FX3000 mod using the 45.28 drivers. (coincidentally, that happens to be alias' recomended driver for maya...) Those instructions work for ~90% of people I've talked to/helped...and I'm fairly certain the people it doesn't work for have some no name card that's been flashed from 5900 se to 5950 ultra, then softmodded...though apparently that works for some people as well.
and just softmodding, you can't hurt your card as far as I know. worst case you get crashes in openGL apps and you have to uninstall the hacked drivers. It gets risky when you start hardmodding resistors and trying to flash to a FX3000 bios. last time I checked guru3d (some time ago, deadlines, sigh...), a couple people were still trying to get that to work...now THAT would be great to get working, then we could use the card as a quadro under linux (but kill the gaming install option)
oh, dubb comes from it's audio useage...sound recording, live audio. dubbing cassettes from dat masters for clients. Us multimedia folks wear lots of hats (or used to, at least)
feel free to PM if you have any trouble/questions
that's where I found out about the FX mod (before that, only up to the GF4 4600 was moddable...I still have my old desktop running a softquadro'd 4200>700xgl) Unwinder is a mod there, he wrote rivatuner and the softquadro patch scripts...smart guy, pay attention to any of his posts.
heck, you could softquadro your 4600 to a 900xgl if you wanted to play around with it.
anyway, if you want to try it, scan through that sticky'd thread in the rivatuner forum on guru3d. someone named bluefire or bluesmoke (or something like that) gives complete instructions for the 5900 ultra>FX3000 mod using the 45.28 drivers. (coincidentally, that happens to be alias' recomended driver for maya...) Those instructions work for ~90% of people I've talked to/helped...and I'm fairly certain the people it doesn't work for have some no name card that's been flashed from 5900 se to 5950 ultra, then softmodded...though apparently that works for some people as well.
and just softmodding, you can't hurt your card as far as I know. worst case you get crashes in openGL apps and you have to uninstall the hacked drivers. It gets risky when you start hardmodding resistors and trying to flash to a FX3000 bios. last time I checked guru3d (some time ago, deadlines, sigh...), a couple people were still trying to get that to work...now THAT would be great to get working, then we could use the card as a quadro under linux (but kill the gaming install option)
oh, dubb comes from it's audio useage...sound recording, live audio. dubbing cassettes from dat masters for clients. Us multimedia folks wear lots of hats (or used to, at least)
feel free to PM if you have any trouble/questions
i should be paying for this kind of feedback. dont get any ideas. i cant pm you cause you dont have that allowed. there isnt the lock icon i can click. im thinkin i want the stability and drivers, but was thinking if it was possible to go quadro to geforce. what kind of performance would i get on the games side from a fx 1100? im thinkin i can do without games for awhile, its just hard when the reason yer doin maya is cause you love games.
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