Conflict of interest in game journalism.

[blake0812]

Morally ? Not really but it's not a big deal. They are both adults they can do what they want. I've slept with woman for less

Maybe this has been blown all out of proportion because a lot of gamers are young and have not been exposed to what goes on between men and woman in the real world

Having sex for pleasure and having sex to get ahead in a business are two different things. Regardless, it's not about her, it's about Grayson not keeping to the ethics of journalism.

 

[Subyman]

Without gamer gate, Zoe would have been long forgotten. Her game would have come and gone without many noticing. Now, she's probably gotten hundreds of thousands of downloads from people trying to support her. If she really slept with five men to get a few rewards then that's nothing compared to her sleeping with five men coming out as a headline.

 

[davie jambo]

Having sex for pleasure and having sex to get ahead in a business are two different things. Regardless, it's not about her, it's about Grayson not keeping to the ethics of journalism.

No such a thing pal

 

[Topweasel]

The revelation she f*&*&ed herself into an award STARTED gamersgate. It went from there to a general complaint about reviews being bought, with people basically saying only reviews from people like Totalbiscuit are worth going to. If you think this is ALL about Zoe Quinn, you missed the point.

This is rewriting history. Just look at the earlier pages on this thread. It wasn't well into GG's life before Arnett got attached to Zoe and even there I haven't seen anything but conjecture based on him being around her a couple of points and threw out support as GG got going. Grayson never reviewed her products at all and only had a single article. Which was apparently when they met. That was pointed out within a day on this thread.

Also, Quinn was such an issue because she also took down a charity a while ago because they ran a event that would take entries for a game idea from women, then would implement the winner with proceeds going back into charity. Quinn got pissy she wouldn't get proceeds, and accused the charity of harassment, or something. Quinn is no stranger to controversy - which is all the more reason for the gaming community to revile her.

What perspective are you reading on that? I have to ask. Because everything I have read said it broke down when a sponsor pushed people to hard and tried to stir up controversy. While from everything I have seen Zoe seems to be short tempered and easily to set off into one of her causes. The consensus from people there seem to be that Zoe was difficult but not the problem there.

Gamersgate, as a whole, isn't about the slut shaming. That was a spark. Nor is GG about death threats. Some people in GG might very well be (and I doubt the validity of some of these threats...) GG is further extended by the complaint that some of the problems in gaming journalism is people like Leigh Alexander who seem to just use their pulpit to write articles trying to shame them 'white male gamers' into feeling like shit.

But isn't that just as bad as what GG is supposed to stop. Instead of having the advertisers pay to influence the news and review gamers receive. Now they want to turn around and any site that posts an article that they don't like, pressure their sponsors to drop them. Don't you see the Irony?

 

[Subyman]

Having sex for pleasure and having sex to get ahead in a business are two different things. Regardless, it's not about her, it's about Grayson not keeping to the ethics of journalism.

What if they happen to merge? Having sex for pleasure and it happens to get you ahead too? Do you refuse to sleep with someone you genuinely like because it may morally be wrong that it gets you ahead? Conundrum!

 

[blake0812]

No such a thing pal

Are you even trying?

 

[davie jambo]

Are you even trying?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias

How old are you pal ? Everyone has their own agenda in media , be it a game review or just plain reporting news

Also I'd imagine the men involved in this pursued her rather the other way about. It's what men do. Not always but 99% of the time it is

 

[blake0812]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_bias

How old are you pal ? Everyone has their own agenda in media , be it a game review or just plain reporting news

Also I'd imagine the men involved in this pursued her rather the other way about. It's what men do. Not always but 99% of the time it is

Bias is not the same as corruption.

 

[davie jambo]

Bias is not the same as corruption.

The only thing corrupted here are the minds of young people

Years ago I slept with a woman from one of our suppliers after a boozy charity event we both attended
I had an order to place the next day and I had quotes from the woman's company and one of their rivals. The rival company was cheaper. Who do you think got the order ?

In my eyes the men that slept with Zoe have done the same thing as me. Is it corruption ? No of course it's not.

If they had bribed me , then that would have been

 

[blake0812]

The only thing corrupted here are the minds of young people

Years ago I slept with a woman from one of our suppliers after a boozy charity event we both attended
I had an order to place the next day and I had quotes from the woman's company and one of their rivals. The rival company was cheaper. Who do you think got the order ?

In my eyes the men that slept with Zoe have done the same thing as me. Is it corruption ? No of course it's not.

If they had bribed me , then that would have been

That wasn't the right thing to do. Just because you weaseled out of it doesn't make it right for everyone else.

Gamergate is MADE by young people, for young gamers.

 

[davie jambo]

That wasn't the right thing to do. Just because you weaseled out of it doesn't make it right for everyone else.

Gamergate is MADE by young people, for young gamers.

It was the right thing to do though. I had a personal connection with the woman and I wanted to help her. Giving her the order made her happy and there was a chance of a repeat performance

This is how things work in the real world , the person I blame in all of this is her ex for writing about her. He should have swallowed his pride and moved on

 

[blake0812]

It was the right thing to do though. I had a personal connection with the woman and I wanted to help her. Giving her the order made her happy and there was a chance of a repeat performance

This is how things work in the real world , the person I blame in all of this is her ex for writing about her. He should have swallowed his pride and moved on

"Oh yeah, so what if you've been cheated on, be a man and move on!"

He made the blog to vent, can you blame him?

 

[master_shake_]

i've noticed something very peculiar about all this gamergate stuff.

every time someone questions the credibility or the opinions of any of the woman who made stupid or uneducated opinions they are automatically condoning sexual or violent crimes that have been twitted? (is that the word?) to these women.

it seems like they are hiding their ineptitude behind a wall of bs...

kinda makes you think they threatened themselves to remain innocent.

it happens everywhere. cracked, kotaku, here, ocn, youtube, twitter, gamespot....

there isn't one place where it doens't.

you can predict it as soon as someone says that any of them were wrong you can damn sure bet on it that the next person will call you a misogynist or a rape apologist.

 

[davie jambo]

"Oh yeah, so what if you've been cheated on, be a man and move on!"

He made the blog to vent, can you blame him?

Yes he should have kept his mouth shut. If I were him I'd be embarrassed more than anything else. Thankfully stuff like that does not happen to me as I am not a wet blanket of a man

 

[blake0812]

Yes he should have kept his mouth shut. If I were him I'd be embarrassed more than anything else. Thankfully stuff like that does not happen to me as I am not a wet blanket of a man

He expressed his opinion of her, as he had bad experiences in the relationship. That's a bad thing? Even when he never said "Hey guys go after her she's a bitch"?

 

[smackababy]

Yes he should have kept his mouth shut. If I were him I'd be embarrassed more than anything else. Thankfully stuff like that does not happen to me as I am not a wet blanket of a man

And here is the problem: Him crying about being cheated on, or even Zoe cheating on him, have nothing to do with gamergate. The problem is a journalist had sex with a developer he was able to write about. Whether or not the journalist did give any kind of special, or detrimental, treatment is moot. He willingly participated in a situation that put the entire credibility of the site he writes to in question.

That is the issue everyone is trying to bury and hide from behind the idiot (or idiots, who even knows at this point) that threaten people on twitter. Some of which has been proven as completely fake and for marketing.

 

[davie jambo]

He expressed his opinion of her, as he had bad experiences in the relationship. That's a bad thing? Even when he never said "Hey guys go after her she's a bitch"?

Personally I would not have said a word about it to anyone but say it to your close friends , don't post about it on the internet. Makes you look weak

 

[blake0812]

Personally I would not have said a word about it to anyone but say it to your close friends , don't post about it on the internet. Makes you look weak

The internet is an easy access way to vent. It wasn't when people found it until the Wizardchan controversy surrounding her.

 

[davie jambo]

The internet is an easy access way to vent. It wasn't when people found it until the Wizardchan controversy surrounding her.

He should have done it anonymously if he really must post about it on internet

Why dirty her name ? what's the point ? Lick your wounds and move on son. Plenty of woman out there and not all of them will cheat on you. I think it will happen to him again though

This isnt watergate and he is not deep throat ffs

 

[Nebor]

It was the right thing to do though. I had a personal connection with the woman and I wanted to help her. Giving her the order made her happy and there was a chance of a repeat performance

This is how things work in the real world , the person I blame in all of this is her ex for writing about her. He should have swallowed his pride and moved on

Please move to central America or eastern Europe where systemic corruption of this sort has been widespread for years.

It wasn't the right thing to do, and no one here is going to say that it is. You wasted your company's money in exchange for sex.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Having sex for pleasure and having sex to get ahead in a business are two different things. Regardless, it's not about her, it's about Grayson not keeping to the ethics of journalism.

How did Grayson not keep to the ethics of journalism? He didn't write a single word about her or her game after they started their relationship. That seems like the ethical approach to take. If he had been writing rave reviews about her product, yes, that's a tremendous conflict of interest, but he didn't. So where exactly is the ethical dilemma?

 

[blake0812]

He should have done it anonymously if he really must post about it on internet

Why dirty her name ? what's the point ? Lick your wounds and move on son. Plenty of woman out there and not all of them will cheat on you. I think it will happen to him again though

This isnt watergate and he is not deep throat ffs

He wasn't out to dirty her name. He even blamed himself and stood up for her when she was "harassed" about it. Even after all of that he was still looked down upon.

 

[blake0812]

How did Grayson not keep to the ethics of journalism? He didn't write a single word about her or her game after they started their relationship. That seems like the ethical approach to take. If he had been writing rave reviews about her product, yes, that's a tremendous conflict of interest, but he didn't. So where exactly is the ethical dilemma?

This was the article in question I believe.

 

[davie jambo]

Please move to central America or eastern Europe where systemic corruption of this sort has been widespread for years.

It wasn't the right thing to do, and no one here is going to say that it is. You wasted your company's money in exchange for sex.

Well no , it was entirely my decision, As I said if I had taken money then yes that is corruption and totally wrong. That would be crossing the line

Sleeping with the girl swayed me but that is not why she slept with me. I suspect Zoe did not sleep with those men to get goods reviews but simply that they pursued her as I pursued the woman

 

[blake0812]

Well no , it was entirely my decision, As I said if I had taken money then yes that is corruption and totally wrong. That would be crossing the line

Sleeping with the girl swayed me but that is not why she slept with me. I suspect Zoe did not sleep with those men to get goods reviews but simply that they pursued her as I pursued the woman

With what i've seen of her, I doubt it was the guys idea.