Conflict of interest in game journalism.

[davie jambo]

He wasn't out to dirty her name. He even blamed himself and stood up for her when she was "harassed" about it. Even after all of that he was still looked down upon.

He did dirty her name though

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Gamersgate, as a whole, isn't about the slut shaming. That was a spark. Nor is GG about death threats. Some people in GG might very well be (and I doubt the validity of some of these threats...) GG is further extended by the complaint that some of the problems in gaming journalism is people like Leigh Alexander who seem to just use their pulpit to write articles trying to shame them 'white male gamers' into feeling like <poop>.

Wait, so the point of gamergate is to silence critics who post a viewpoint you disagree with? How is that a noble cause? "No, seriously, we aren't about the slut-shaming which started everything or a couple of silly death threats, what we're REALLY about is censorship of ideas that upset us." I don't care if Leigh Alexander is the Ann Coulter of games reporting, it's a small mind who thinks the only way to approach negative criticism is to silence it.

 

[davie jambo]

With what i've seen of her, I doubt it was the guys idea.

You'd be very surprised with what a few drinks can do

 

[Atomic Playboy]

This was the article in question I believe.

Ah, so you missed that part of my post where I said "He didn't write a single word about her or her game after they started their relationship." That article was from March, and they apparently started dating in April. Are you arguing that one should never write about people that one might hook up with at some future date?

 

[Nebor]

Well no , it was entirely my decision, As I said if I had taken money then yes that is corruption and totally wrong. That would be crossing the line

Sleeping with the girl swayed me but that is not why she slept with me. I suspect Zoe did not sleep with those men to get goods reviews but simply that they pursued her as I pursued the woman

Do you not know what a conflict of interest is? What do you think your employer would think if they knew you chose to spend their money on a higher bid because of your personal relationship with the bidder's employee?

Even if you have the best of intentions (and you don't,) an ethical professional must always watch out for conflicts of interests and even the perception of impropriety.

 

[Nebor]

Wait, so the point of gamergate is to silence critics who post a viewpoint you disagree with? How is that a noble cause? "No, seriously, we aren't about the slut-shaming which started everything or a couple of silly death threats, what we're REALLY about is censorship of ideas that upset us." I don't care if Leigh Alexander is the Ann Coulter of games reporting, it's a small mind who thinks the only way to approach negative criticism is to silence it.

Get real. The feminist\SJWs way is to silence people. They pioneered it in the internet age. They dox people constantly, call for boycotts, make up stories in order to involve the authorities and generally do whatever they can to shame and silence their opposition.

I find it pretty delightful to see their tactics used against them by people who are much, much more skilled with them than the SJWs.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Get real. The feminist\SJWs way is to silence people. They pioneered it in the internet age. They dox people constantly, call for boycotts, make up stories in order to involve the authorities and generally do whatever they can to shame and silence their opposition.

I find it pretty delightful to see their tactics used against them by people who are much, much more skilled with them than the SJWs.

Oh, OK, so the official stance is "They did it first!"? Jesus Christ this is some childish nonsense.

 

[davie jambo]

Do you not know what a conflict of interest is? What do you think your employer would think if they knew you chose to spend their money on a higher bid because of your personal relationship with the bidder's employee?

Even if you have the best of intentions (and you don't,) an ethical professional must always watch out for conflicts of interests and even the perception of impropriety.

Stop being a clean shirt

My boss at the time would have approved in fact I think he knew. Having good relations with your suppliers can be more important that price. It's not always about getting the best price you know , service was better for example

 

[davie jambo]

Oh, OK, so the official stance is "They did it first!"? Jesus Christ this is some childish nonsense.

Yup I am beginning to think everyone involved is aged 13 and I have had enough

Goodnight people :thumbsup:

 

[Nebor]

Oh, OK, so the official stance is "They did it first!"? Jesus Christ this is some childish nonsense.

I'm not a representative of gamergate. Like I said, this seems like a fight between two groups of people with a lot of free time on their hands. I do, however, hate SJWs with a passion, and there is no limit to the amount of bad things that I hope happens to them.

 

[Mai72]

She's nasty.

I'd have a better time with my right fist!



This is not OT; save those kinds of comments for that forum. If you want to actually discuss the topic, then feel free to do so here.

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[0roo0roo]

A couple things:

First, the source of that rumor was the same jilted ex-lover, so I both take his claims with a grain of salt and question the motivation for posting her sexual history in the first place. All we have is the illusion of impropriety, and that's reason enough for total strangers to start discussing this woman's sexual past? That's fairly absurd, and it's all based on claims which remain unsubstantiated.

Second, even if that's true, so what? You're telling me that people are basically fine with Gamespot and IGN being paid shills for companies like EA and Activision, but as soon as a single independent game developer sleeps with a single judge at a gaming festival, WHOA, THAT'S OVER THE LINE! If you want to tackle a very worthy subject of impropriety in media and the conflict of journalistic ethics with regards to the gaming industry, that's a worthy discussion, but NOT if your only concern is about the sexual history of a single woman. People jumped on this because it was titillating, not because they gave a damn if it was indicative of some broader trend of corruption. "What's that, a developer we never heard of slept with a reviewer on the tenth most popular gaming blog on the internet, allegedly for a good review even though he never reviewed her game? SAUCY."

The movement has been based on bull**** from the beginning. Find a new movement to talk about the conflict of interest in gaming journalism and I'm right there with you. Wrap it up in slut-shaming and death threats and you've completely lost me.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Hollyw...agging-Zoe-Quinns-Sex-Life-into-the-Spotlight

Yea no, sorry it was the corrupt who hid behind this woman and others like her. You miss the big picture and the reality of the situation. She was dismissed in Internet Aristocrats very first video on this issue, 2 months ago. It was the people who wanted to smear and discredit gamers and misogynists who constantly dragged that person back in.

Just the reality.

Sargon of Akkad The Emperor Has No Clothes #GamerGate #NotYourShield
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HqwQqrlClbY

SJW leftists Ep.1 - Excuse me princess on TEDx
SkepTorr
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0SgKtDeSjM

 

[MeldarthX]

Top; interesting.........


but she's still not a decent human being; specially after what she did to Wizchan.. now that really was screwed up.......

 

[0roo0roo]

GamerGate Update, Video Games & The NSA, Hatred Trailer Impressions, FGC Raises Over 15k + More!
EventStatus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-NonqT6SZY


Gamer Feminists
En Arg Blatte Talar
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP_TynmzRD8#t=146

Threedog's #Gamergate News Radio Ep 3
Oliver Campbell
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_OWMqA2Uv4

 

[PrincessFrosty]

Ah, so you missed that part of my post where I said "He didn't write a single word about her or her game after they started their relationship." That article was from March, and they apparently started dating in April. Are you arguing that one should never write about people that one might hook up with at some future date?

If we're to believe the timeline they present that is. We've already established these people are liars.

There's also the issue that human interaction is not binary 0/1, they likely had some kind of close friendship and build up towards a sexual relationship which by itself is a problem because it's still a conflict of interest if they're friends.

No matter how you cut it the behaviour is pretty disgraceful across the board, we'll only get better from these people if we EXPECT better, not just as/when they get caught but get the message across that it's expected all the time.

These people aren't professionals, she's barely a game developer who used a basic text story game builder to put some emo text in, and these reviewers have never written for anything even remotely professional in their entire lives, likely never in any kind of print or well respected sites, gaming is the bottle of the barrel and they're keeping themselves firmly there with these ridiculous ethics.

10 gaming news articles released within 48 hours of each other all bashing the same thing, coordinated from a secret list all the authors are on where they're discussing how best to handle the situation. It's just a face at this stage, none of these people or those they're associated with have any integrity what so ever, that's obvious now.

 

[Topweasel]

If we're to believe the timeline they present that is. We've already established these people are liars.

There's also the issue that human interaction is not binary 0/1, they likely had some kind of close friendship and build up towards a sexual relationship which by itself is a problem because it's still a conflict of interest if they're friends.

Notice in your Quotes where he said "wrote about her". It's not a review. It wasn't even a fluff piece. He wrote about being at an event that Zoe was apart of where he does mention her because she became a focal point of the collapse of the even. Even if they were seeing each other I am not sure how much conflict exists there and how it even affects us.

GG should be past this and past Zoe. Their hatred off her flows through their actions. There is a lot of finger pointing Feminists for faking outrage for no reason to push their agenda. It happens all the time. But again patient 0 was found negative of the disease while showing some base symptoms. Why does GG continue to play it to be much bigger then it really was. Digging through history, making stuff up, assuming that stuff happened because well they are already crappy people. All to keep it relevant to what they are trying to accomplish. This is what the SJW's and Feminists do, isn't this what GG is trying to get away from.

 

[RampantAndroid]

Wait, so the point of gamergate is to silence critics who post a viewpoint you disagree with? How is that a noble cause? "No, seriously, we aren't about the slut-shaming which started everything or a couple of silly death threats, what we're REALLY about is censorship of ideas that upset us." I don't care if Leigh Alexander is the Ann Coulter of games reporting, it's a small mind who thinks the only way to approach negative criticism is to silence it.

Alexander was writing a piece trying to shame gamers; Intel backed off, because a decent portion of their revenue does come from gamers.

Mercedes, BMW and now Adobe have backed away from Gawker not because of GG trying to censor, but because people associated with Gawker have advocated bullying multiple times...and whether Merc, BMW and Adobe agree with GG isn't the point there. They cannot do anything to defund GG - they can however do something to prevent large media groups from advocating bullying.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

Alexander was writing a piece trying to shame gamers; Intel backed off, because a decent portion of their revenue does come from gamers.

Mercedes, BMW and now Adobe have backed away from Gawker not because of GG trying to censor, but because people associated with Gawker have advocated bullying multiple times...and whether Merc, BMW and Adobe agree with GG isn't the point there. They cannot do anything to defund GG - they can however do something to prevent large media groups from advocating bullying.

Felicia Day, the nerdy gamer actress from things like The Guild, expressed her concern about speaking out on the gamergate controversy for fear that she would be made a target. But she did end up writing a blog post which is actually very conciliatory and talks about how we need to use games as a conduit for creating community, not hatred. So what happens? She immediately gets doxxed by someone claiming to represent the interests of GG.

So, tell me again, who's bullying who here?

 

[Jodell88]

So, tell me again, who's bullying who here?

Both sides are bullying each other if you haven't figured that out.

 

[BoberFett]

Someone claimed to represent Gamergate?

Well of course.

As we all know, if it's on the internet, it must be true.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

I actually have been very impressed with GG's ability to stage a boycott in this day and age. It's not easy to get a coordinated group effort off the ground, and even if you have one, it rarely achieves anything, so that they've been able to get advertisers to pull out of some major sites is genuinely impressive (even if I disagree with the censorship angle). I just wish they'd engage their efforts towards a rhetorical critique of their opponents and outline what they believe the state of gaming and gamership should be about. The tactics they've used belie any sense of gaming as a community activity and makes it seem incredibly insular and unwelcoming.

 

[BoberFett]

And of course, douchenozzles like Kluwe join in and prove that his "side" is able to act just like the cockgobblers that he's claiming the "other side" is.

https://***********/the-cauldron/why-gamergaters-piss-me-the-f-off-a7e4c7f6d8a6

 

[Nebor]

I actually have been very impressed with GG's ability to stage a boycott in this day and age. It's not easy to get a coordinated group effort off the ground, and even if you have one, it rarely achieves anything, so that they've been able to get advertisers to pull out of some major sites is genuinely impressive (even if I disagree with the censorship angle). I just wish they'd engage their efforts towards a rhetorical critique of their opponents and outline what they believe the state of gaming and gamership should be about. The tactics they've used belie any sense of gaming as a community activity and makes it seem incredibly insular and unwelcoming.

Because it is. It's not like you can just walk into a store, buy a video game and play it. That doesn't make you a gamer, and it never will.

 

[Jodell88]

Because it is. It's not like you can just walk into a store, buy a video game and play it. That doesn't make you a gamer, and it never will.

What's a gamer by your definition?

 

[BoberFett]

Check your sarcasm meter.