Confirmed by AMD & Intel - Rivals Intel and AMD Team Up on PC Chips to Battle NVidia

[Glo.]

I will NOT be staggered if this is the real reason why Intel changed the power delivery in Socket 1151.

 

[tamz_msc]

Apple falling out with NVidia and kicking them out of every product they make? The enormous lawsuits between Intel and NVidia?

But they haven't confirmed it being exclusive for use by Apple?

 

[formulav8]

What prevents NVIDIA from asking the same treatment from Intel in the future?

They probably tried and talks or something didn't work out. Or Apple is pushing it with AMD.

 

[tamz_msc]

I will NOT be staggered if this is the real reason why Intel changed the power delivery in Socket 1151.

They ain't fitting 460 mm^2 on 1151.

 

[Ancalagon44]

I will NOT be staggered if this is the real reason why Intel changed the power delivery in Socket 1151.

Not coming to desktop as far as I know.

 

[PeterScott]

Not coming to desktop as far as I know.

Definitely not. This is an expensive niche solution, you are really going to be paying a lot to save a couple of square mm.

46 Comment into it and no mention of Apple.

I think this is Apple wanted Intel CPU and AMD's GPU on Laptop.

It definitely does seem tailor made for an Apple laptop. It has Apples favorite CPU and favorite GPU in a smaller package.

But I expect it will be EXTREMELY expensive niche solution that doesn't get much usage beyond Apple.

As far as the wider market, I don't think the advantage is that large, no one else is quite as obsessed with spending more to shave every square mm as Apple. The overall package is quite large, most of the space saving are from HBM. NVidia could deliver a GPU+HBM solution for laptops that when combined with a separate CPU would still come in at similar size.

 

[NTMBK]

Not coming to desktop as far as I know.

Unless you count the iMac as a desktop

 

[LTC8K6]

How well would HD630 perform if plonked onto this die with HBM2?

 

[formulav8]

Kyle @ HardOCP took a lot of flack over the AMD/Intel rumor months ago. He was correct all along.

 

[SPBHM]

this makes a lot of sense for some products, even Iris Pro is still very limited compared to the GPUs AMD can deliver, but probably not a very high volume thing.

 

[Kenmitch]

Interesting partnership. Not really sure what to make of it yet. I'd imagine both parties made a deal they can both live with in the end.

 

[PeterScott]

Unless you count the iMac as a desktop

It wouldn't actually be a good fit there. This is really a high priced niche solution paying big money to shave a few square mm.

The iMac is thin, but it really isn't in laptop territory, and this would just unnecessary drive up desktop costs without any real advantage.

 

[dacostafilipe]

This sounds good for FreeSync support on those devices ...

 

[Yuriman]

I'm excited to see this in a NUC. 4c8t Intel + Optane/NVMe SSD + GTX 1050Ti/1060 performance in this form factor? Count me in.

 

[Glo.]

Unless you count the iMac as a desktop

*cough* Mac Mini *cough*

 

[sirmo]

I think some folks on here owe me an apology. The ones who thought an HBM based APU was a ridiculous idea.

 

[PeterScott]

*cough* Mac Mini *cough*

Sure because Adding $200 to the BOM, so you can make a desktop thinner, lighter and have better battery life makes sense.

 

[PeterScott]

I think some folks on here owe me an apology. The ones who thought an HBM based APU was a ridiculous idea.

Actually what most of said was pair HBM with Raven Ridge makes no sense. That isn't happening.

It also isn't and an HBM based APU. It's HBM based dGPU packaged up with a separate CPU.

 

[eek2121]

I think a bunch of people are reading WAAY too deeply into this. This has nothing to do with AMD's CPU division at all. This is all about getting Radeon graphics into EVERY machine out there. It's an ingenious move by AMD as it effectively kneecaps things like gameworks and the like...IF it works like intended. There may also be things in the license agreement between AMD/Intel that help AMD out...things like an x86 license modification...

 

[LTC8K6]

I think a bunch of people are reading WAAY too deeply into this. This has nothing to do with AMD's CPU division at all. This is all about getting Radeon graphics into EVERY machine out there. It's an ingenious move by AMD as it effectively kneecaps things like gameworks and the like...IF it works like intended. There may also be things in the license agreement between AMD/Intel that help AMD out...things like an x86 license modification...

If it's an expensive niche application, then it's not going to get Radeon out there much more.

 

[PeterScott]

I think a bunch of people are reading WAAY too deeply into this. This has nothing to do with AMD's CPU division at all. This is all about getting Radeon graphics into EVERY machine out there. It's an ingenious move by AMD as it effectively kneecaps things like gameworks and the like...IF it works like intended. There may also be things in the license agreement between AMD/Intel that help AMD out...things like an x86 license modification...

What license agreement? Talk about reading too much into it. This is getting a part, not licensing technology.

 

[Glo.]

Sure because Adding $200 to the BOM, so you can make a desktop thinner, lighter and have better battery life makes sense.

I think you will be pretty surprised about next generation Mac Mini .

 

[PeterScott]

I think you will be pretty surprised about next generation Mac Mini .

It's going to be a laptop?

 

[Udgnim]

I don't think this is bad for AMD

the high end PC gaming mobile market probably has a small TAM resulting in AMD not having a desire to devoting their limited resources towards making their own CPU + GPU + HBM based processor for the consumer market (at least not in the near term)

so selling Vega chips to Intel that is intended to be used in a market that AMD does not see as a high priority is a win for generating some revenue and profit

 

[Atari2600]

I don't think this is a good move. At all.

What was stopping AMD from doing this with a completely in-house design?

EMIB? Nah. Its a very expensive solution, so the incremental build cost would more than be compensated for by the pricing profile.

It would have given AMD a solution far above anything Intel could provide - meaning they are the headline act - grabbing mindshare and with that, additional marketshare elsewhere.


Unfortunately they are walking into a boxing ring thinking like an also-ran rather than a hungry lean challenger looking to cut the lethargic complacent champ to shreds.


Does anyone really think a high-powered APU has no market in CAD workstations? Or even HPC?