Confessions of a Cybermule

[John_Dillinger]

That seems like an awful lot of work for only $150k...

you know there was way more to that story than what was published. I was convicted for stealing 2.5 million, they got back back just over 1.3 million.
I have no regrets, the thing is I'm glad I did my time and I moved on
I'm working with publisher for a book and I was looking stuff up and I ran into this forum because of what the OP posted. I think he might be someone I'm looking for a guy named David.

 

[John_Dillinger]

Whoa, this thread is turning awesome.

Just out of curiosity, what are the job prospects post-incarceration like this? One one hand, you obviously have a felony on your record, on the other it lends credence to you consulting others in the topic (as per your work for IT security firm).

and thank you for being civil...

 

[JEDI]

you know there was way more to that story than what was published. I was convicted for stealing 2.5 million, they got back back just over 1.3 million.
I have no regrets, the thing is I'm glad I did my time and I moved on
I'm working with publisher for a book and I was looking stuff up and I ran into this forum because of what the OP posted. I think he might be someone I'm looking for a guy named David.

yeah.. white collar crimes do pay.

steal X million. pay back a fraction of that and spend a couple of years in jail.

Get out and be retired. No care in the world about a criminal record cause you're no longer looking for a job unlike the rest of us smucks out there.

if only I had the opportunity to embezzle millions...

 

[John_Dillinger]

yeah.. white collar crimes do pay.

steal X million. pay back a fraction of that and spend a couple of years in jail.

Get out and be retired. No care in the world about a criminal record cause you're no longer looking for a job unlike the rest of us smucks out there.

if only I had the opportunity to embezzle millions...

I work an 8 hr job just like everyone else & I'm grateful that I have that, there are so many out there who don't have what we have. over 9 million children die every year before the age of 5... and IMO crime doesn't pay.

 

[CZroe]

why are you so upset over something that happened years ago?

I'm not. I'm upset that our justice system doesn't truly fix anyone and I still have to deal with the criminals inspired and motivated by it today. You may not be stealing anymore, but others are. You aren't ashamed of what you did. Saying "but I like working for money now. to be honest doing what I was doing really sucked" doesn't change that.

The people I caught were here only months ago. Obviously, what happened to you wasn't a significant deterrent. Better examples need to be made.

you know there was way more to that story than what was published. I was convicted for stealing 2.5 million, they got back back just over 1.3 million.
I have no regrets, the thing is I'm glad I did my time and I moved on
I'm working with publisher for a book and I was looking stuff up and I ran into this forum because of what the OP posted. I think he might be someone I'm looking for a guy named David.

If you read carefully you will see that the OP is reporting a Wired article. This "David" is obviously the Wired correspondent you spoke with, not the OP. The OP is just some guy who wanted to share the story with us after reading it himself.

And having no regrets only means that the punishment was not enough. Regret should be a requirement for being considered "reformed."

 

[John_Dillinger]

Jedi I like your tagline... pretty cool mate.

 

[Kaido]

you know there was way more to that story than what was published. I was convicted for stealing 2.5 million, they got back back just over 1.3 million.
I have no regrets, the thing is I'm glad I did my time and I moved on
I'm working with publisher for a book and I was looking stuff up and I ran into this forum because of what the OP posted. I think he might be someone I'm looking for a guy named David.

Have you done an AMA on Reddit?

 

[JEDI]

I work an 8 hr job just like everyone else & I'm grateful that I have that, there are so many out there who don't have what we have. over 9 million children die every year before the age of 5... and IMO crime doesn't pay.

so if you were convicted of stealing $2.5M, why did the govt only want 1.3M back?!

heck, why is it usually that you pay back only a fraction of what you stole?

ie: Howard Lederer (part owner of Full Tilt poker)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Lederer#U.S._Department_of_Justice_lawsuit

stole $42 million but paid $2.5M
hm.. ok.. bad example since he wasn't convicted of the theft. it was settled out of court

but again, BIG white collar crimes do pay apparently

 

[CZroe]

so if you were convicted of stealing $2.5M, why did the govt only want 1.3M back?!

heck, why is it usually that you pay back only a fraction of what you stole?

ie: Howard Lederer (part owner of Full Tilt poker)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Howard_Lederer#U.S._Department_of_Justice_lawsuit

stole $42 million but paid $2.5M
hm.. ok.. bad example since he wasn't convicted of the theft. it was settled out of court

but again, BIG white collar crimes do pay apparently

He probably didn't have it to give back. It probably went to his foreign benefactors or was spent/wasted.

 

[CZroe]

Have you done an AMA on Reddit?

Bad idea if your goal is selling a book.

 

[John_Dillinger]

I'm not. I'm upset that our justice system doesn't truly fix anyone and I still have to deal with the criminals inspired and motivated by it today. You may not be stealing anymore, but others are. You aren't ashamed of what you did. Saying "but I like working for money now. to be honest doing what I was doing really sucked" doesn't change that.

The people I caught were here only months ago. Obviously, what happened to you wasn't a significant deterrent. Better examples need to be made.



If you read carefully you will see that the OP is reporting a Wired article. This "David" is obviously the Wired correspondent you spoke with.

And having no regrets only means that the punishment was not enough. Regret should be a requirement for being considered "reformed."

no David was "NOT" the person that did the interview. and me not having any regrets is not saying that I didn't learn anything. you seemed to be upset about something I mean you came in and just started with insults. It's okay not to have regrets, actually the only regret I would have is if I didn't learn from my past. I'm glad I went to prison and paid for what I did, and prison wasn't that bad either. prisons are supposed to be about reform, that's what I got out of it...anyways I have to run have a great day.

 

[Kaido]

but again, BIG white collar crimes do pay apparently

Provided the guys you stole from don't hire a hitman to get you

 

[CZroe]

no David was the person that did the interview. and me not having any regrets is not saying that I didn't learn anything. you seemed to be upset about something I mean you came in and just started with insults. It's okay not to have regrets, actually the only regret I would have is if I didn't learn from my past. I'm glad I went to prison and paid for what I did, and prison wasn't that bad either. prisons are supposed to be about reform, that's what I got out of it...anyways I have to run have a great day.

As I said: This "David" person you are looking for did the interview for Wired. The OP just reposted the resulting Wired article. The OP is not "David." I clarified that in an edit, but it should be pretty clear that we were just swapping interesting stories we came across when this thread was started in 2006.

I am upset because it is my job for this stuff to upset me. I monitor systems to identify this stuff as it happens 12 hours a day. I had to work 7 days a week open to close for over a year because they couldn't find anyone as as dedicated as me to give me a day off. Of course I am upset. I'll also probably be first in line to buy your book.

 

[Kaido]

Bad idea if your goal is selling a book.

There was an excellent AMA by a professional social engineer the other day:

http://bestofama.com/amas/295uru

http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/295uru/iama_professional_social_engineer_i_get_paid_to

 

[Kaido]

As I said: This "David" person you are looking for did the interview for Wired. The OP just reposted the resulting Wired article. The OP is not "David." I clarified that in an edit, but it should be pretty clear that we were just swapping interesting stories we came across when this thread was started in 2006.

LOL I didn't even notice the date!

 

[John_Dillinger]

I'm not. I'm upset that our justice system doesn't truly fix anyone and I still have to deal with the criminals inspired and motivated by it today. You may not be stealing anymore, but others are. You aren't ashamed of what you did. Saying "but I like working for money now. to be honest doing what I was doing really sucked" doesn't change that.

The people I caught were here only months ago. Obviously, what happened to you wasn't a significant deterrent. Better examples need to be made.



If you read carefully you will see that the OP is reporting a Wired article. This "David" is obviously the Wired correspondent you spoke with, not the OP. The OP is just some guy who wanted to share the story with us after reading it himself.

And having no regrets only means that the punishment was not enough. Regret should be a requirement for being considered "reformed."

David was not the one who did the interview...

 

[John_Dillinger]

As I said: This "David" person you are looking for did the interview for Wired. The OP just reposted the resulting Wired article. The OP is not "David." I clarified that in an edit, but it should be pretty clear that we were just swapping interesting stories we came across when this thread was started in 2006.

I am upset because it is my job for this stuff to upset me. I monitor systems to identify this stuff as it happens 12 hours a day. I had to work 7 days a week open to close for over a year because they couldn't find anyone as as dedicated as me to give me a day off. Of course I am upset. I'll also probably be first in line to buy your book.

I left out the word "not" and david was not the one who did the interview, it was Kim Zetter. The David I'm looking has nothing to do with Wired.com..

 

[John_Dillinger]

hey CZroe you wanna know something really messed up?
The feds gave me over 200 debit card data sets with pins from US Bank able withdrawal 2000 dollars per 24 hrs, so to find out what city I was living in. I learned this in my indictment.. The thing was that I was using my cashers too... the article was very chopped and a lot of stuff was cut, like I never claimed to be some ultra hacker bigwig yet they throw that in there. I gotta tell you man, doing all that crap really sucked, I couldn't tell anyone anything, it was very very stressful, and I'm so glad I'm doing that anymore..

 

[RelaxTheMind]

there gonna be a lifetime movie? jk

movies make some lifestyles look a lot more lavish than they really are. in my opinion, people generally do things out of necessity, both good and bad.

 

[John_Dillinger]

there gonna be a lifetime movie? jk

movies make some lifestyles look a lot more lavish than they really are. in my opinion, people generally do things out of necessity, both good and bad.

LOL there could be Bro

 

[Ns1]

did not expect this from a necro.

 

[allisolm]

Somehow I don't see him getting a lot of sympathy here because stealing $2.5 million from people like us instead of earning his own was "very stressful."

 

[Wyndru]

:twisted:

 

[1sikbITCH]

Howdy. I have nothing for you. I have actually caught cashers in the act at a national retailer and sent them to jail. You might not want to try it on my watch.

How many are you not catching? :ninja:

 

[CZroe]

How many are you not catching? :ninja:

Enough to keep me angry.