Confederate Flag Waving Racist Gets Put To Sleep

[MrPickins]

darkswordsman17 pretty much won this thread. I'm not sure there is really anything to add. :thumbsup:

 

[CZroe]

But alien doesn't have an avatar.....:hmm:....that must be the problem. Ban the rat.


So what are you trying to fix with yours being upside down?

Keep talkin'...

 

[highland145]

Hey, that's trademarked, damn it.

 

[CZroe]

Hey, that's trademarked, damn it.

Fixed.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

While I don't agree with their stance, and I really don't like what the flag stands for, I don't think anyone is right when they want to strip away a person's personal freedom to display what he likes. As long as he's not breaking any laws, or harming anyone, that's what make this country great - the freedom afforded to us.

This. First reply from the video says it all:

Cause you don't delete something out of history, you learn from it and become more humble. Why don't people focus on stopping heroin?

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

This is for you:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yIlX5ZKHRU
Maddox is so awesome. :wub:

While I am not a fan of that flag, what it stood for, or what people claim it stands for now, I find the self-righteousness of others opposing it to be amusing. Don't delude yourself into thinking that this is even a step toward our goal of ending racism. If anything, it's fanning the flames.

I especially like that part where Maddox implies that you might be making things worse by angering people with your BS. Seems... applicable.

Can't help but agree.

The same can be said for every retard that changes their picture to... a RAAAAAAAINBOW picture... oooooooooooooooohhhhh - Boy you sure made a difference in gay rights! Good job!

 

[SP33Demon]

No, I got the point you think you were making. A horrible thing happened and people in that area rallied in support, including whites. And that considering the racial issues on other parts of the country, that South Carolina handled it much better. That's great, but the problem is the point you think you're making is bullshit. It's the same horseshit that Southerners have been trying to claim for decades to pretend that much of their history was incredibly different and that race relations aren't just fine they're better in the South (when that is total and complete bullshit; which is not to say that it is better everywhere else).

And furthermore, because of their wanton willful ignorance there's a large portion of the population that has been trying to downplay the awful things in our history. That's why people trying to say "just because this one racist piece of shit killed people doesn't make the flag about that!" are wrong because they've been deluding themselves about what that flag has stood for all along. They think this singular act triggered all of this against the Confederate flag, when that isn't the case at all. And you were missing out on why this has become a major issue once again (and it rings especially hollow for someone to say "South Carolina is better at dealing with race, people should mind their own business" when history shows that to be an incredibly absurd thing to say).



I'm not really sure why you quoted me in that post since yours has very little to do with mine (basically other than the word racism it has almost nothing). It's like you think all racism is on the same level. Don't you think there's just a little bit of a difference in the racism those hint at and the enslavement and subjugation of a race?

That first study is about much more than racism too by the way, hope you realize that.

As for that second link, I'm guessing if we charted populations over time we'd find more segregation going back (with there being historical instances where there was intentional segregation that would throw a kink in things and setting things back). So really it might be that over time we see natural integration (or at least maybe racial, I'm guessing social class would still occur, although that's also kinda the point is that certain races have been shown to have disadvantages achieving more diversity in that regard).

What you're missing out is that overall, we're actually trending towards people having more in common with each other. So if people gravitate towards similar people, and we trend towards everyone being more similar, what is the end result?

Racism is still an issue, but I'd guess most discrimination is more about socio-economic class now. Of course that goes back to things like the Civil War and mass immigrations and the growing pains we've experienced from that. The fact that we had a certain specific race held back in that regard is kinda one of the points of why the Confederate flag is total bullshit. People keep talking about the Civil War and slavery like that was all that it was and thus the Civil War ended that but that's not even remotely close to being true. And no, it wasn't just the South doing that either, but again, most of the nation started to move away from it while the South dug in their heels and demanded that they should have the right to be racist and they used that flag as a symbol for that as well. Maybe if some of you people stopped and realized that for more of American History that blacks were secondary citizens denied the same rights as whites than they weren't, you might understand why people are still hypersensitive about it, even with the vastly improved relative state that things are in now.

We're "inherently" animals as well, yet somehow we've moved beyond that. Plus your belief about inherent racism is less about race and more about a natural aversion to differing creatures and other things that can get baked into our genetics and that takes a long time to overcome. And even in spite of that, we've absolutely outright proven that it can be overcome (hell the fact that you're talking about how people tend to accumulate in populations of similar race and class alone kinda shows how far it has come in this country), so acting like nothing can and thus should be done about it is just plain wrong.

Of course there's a lot of other things that could be discussed about all of that, although I'm not sure why you're acting like me condemning the enslavement and subjugation of blacks warrants you bringing up attempts at integration of communities like somehow your "we're inherently racist" argument made slavery ok or justifies racism in general. But none of that is frankly really relevant to this thread.

The point completely flew over your head in your diarrhea thesis on racism. We will never be diverse, and multiple studies from esteemed institutions are now verifying this fact. The country's racial factions are simply coexisting with one another, yet still voluntarily self segregating. What neighborhood do you live in? Why did you choose to live there (assuming you actually have the smarts to own a house)? You will probably be shocked by your answers unless you're a total egalitarian. In fact, your claims that a certain race is still "held back" is hilarious while simultaneously preaching your "people are becoming more similar" egalitarian mantra (especially socioeconomically). The stats show exactly the opposite, the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer. Racially, if you think black/white relations are sensitive now, wait until they both have to learn Espanol in 50-75 years when Latinos become the majority and Catholicism becomes the dominant religion. Quite frankly, I welcome it because at least this country will actually give a fuck about nuclear families (the lifeblood of a stable society) again and actually become God fearing again. Want to know what causes certain neighborhoods to increase in crime, drugs, and poverty? The lack of nuclear families, i.e. a mom and dad. Hispanics, despite their leading teen pregnancy rates, are still incarcerated at a rate almost half of blacks and yet still respect the nuclear family. That is why they are the future of this country, because they actually don't have a negative birthrate (like whites) and can still support their population boom with social stability (nuclear family, religion). It is an exciting time for this country, and regardless of what whites or blacks think about x or y will matter a lot less in 50-75 years. Zoom out from your myopic and sensitive view of just black and white, and see the big picture.

 

[highland145]

Fixed.

D:

 

[Jaskalas]

I'm going to change the meaning of the nazi flag to mean love for jews!

We'll see how well that goes.

The Confederate Battle Flag was the symbol of a group of people fighting to maintain their right to keep slaves. Any one of these hicks that sits there claiming "Southern Pride" just isn't man, or woman, enough to just come out and either admit that a.) they are too stupid to grasp why the flag is offensive as hell. or b.) they are supremely racist.

Yes, the Rebel flag isn't even the flag of the CSA. It's of some of the soldiers who fought.

Part of the reconstruction process was the good will gesture of reconciling with your fellow Americans, to bring them back into the fold and to honor all who sacrificed in America's bloodiest war.

Ever since, part of this Union has been to recognize the Civil War was fought between Americans, that there is honor and dignity to be given to all, so as to mend old wounds and allow the nation to move past its violence. Bigotry and hatred against the South is nothing more than attempting to open up old wounds and spark new violence.

It may be too late, there may not be enough of the South remaining to stand up for itself when you incline to !@#$ all over it, but don't be surprised if one day you find that those who would have been the first to shoot the Charleston racist are now instead rallying against their attackers.

Charleston should have been a rallying cry for unity. Instead, many Americans have chosen a different path. A path fueled by division and hatred of their fellow Americans. A path well traveled by the shooter himself. He'd be happy with you.

 

[Phoenix86]

It may be too late, there may not be enough of the South remaining to stand up for itself when you incline to !@#$ all over it, but don't be surprised if one day you find that those who would have been the first to shoot the Charleston racist are now instead rallying against their attackers.

Charleston should have been a rallying cry for unity. Instead, many Americans have chosen a different path. A path fueled by division and hatred of their fellow Americans. A path well traveled by the shooter himself. He'd be happy with you.

You preach unity but support north/south divisions while saying we should have rallied around a flag who's two meanings are both incredibly divisive (southern pride or slavery, take your pick).

Why can't we fight for American pride?

 

[Ichinisan]

..., the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.

I grew up in poverty and I'm puzzled when people say this. I think people believe it's true because they keep repeating it. I still live in the same area where I grew up. Even the poorest in town have waaaaay higher quality of life than my family (and those around us) had in the '80s and '90s.

 

[HomerJS]

I grew up in poverty and I'm puzzled when people say this. I think people believe it's true because they keep repeating it. I still live in the same area where I grew up. Even the poorest in town have waaaaay higher quality of life than my family (and those around us) had in the '80s and '90s.

 

[s0me0nesmind1]

In yet these charts keep continuing into 2015... Who is to blame? Certainly not our president amirite?

 

[Ichinisan]

..., the rich are getting richer and the poor poorer.

I grew up in poverty and I'm puzzled when people say this. I think people believe it's true because they keep repeating it. I still live in the same area where I grew up. Even the poorest in town have waaaaay higher quality of life than my family (and those around us) had in the '80s and '90s.

Of course, my (overwhelming) anecdotal observations are of quality-of-life. I do not know the comparative inflation-adjusted income of those around me. I just see that the people around me overwhelmingly have high-speed Internet, subscription cable/satellite TV, Netflix, HBO, current-gen game systems, big screen TVs, nice smartphones, nice cars, etc. I didn't have a color TV until 1996 [and that was found discarded by a dumpster]. My mother raised my twin brother and me by herself -- at least half of those years on food stamps. Most of the poor people around me were lucky to have home phone service through the '80s and '90s. Now, people seem to have way more property / services than they had back then, even though more of them are on government assistance or receiving a greater amount of government assistance.

 

[CZroe]

Of course, my (overwhelming) anecdotal observations are of quality-of-life. I do not know the comparative inflation-adjusted income of those around me. I just see that the people around me overwhelmingly have high-speed Internet, subscription cable/satellite TV, Netflix, HBO, current-gen game systems, big screen TVs, nice smartphones, nice cars, etc. I didn't have a color TV until 1996 and my mother raised my twin brother and me by herself, half of those years on food stamps. Most of the poor people around me were lucky to have home phone service through the '80s and '90s. Now, people seem to have way more property / services than they had back then, even though more of them are on government assistance or receiving a greater amount of government assistance.

...and that TV came from the dumpster.

The problem is that the poor are automatically considered "poorer" if the rich are comparatively "even richer" because the whole "rising tide raises all boats" thing simply can't be true.

I knew plenty of people with no home phone and no TV and perpetually with no car growing up. I can't say I know anyone like that now. I know a few people who have momentary transportation issues or who drive around a mess that shouldn't be driven, but that's the closest it gets.

 

[SP33Demon]

...and that TV came from the dumpster.

The problem is that the poor are automatically considered "poorer" if the rich are comparatively "even richer" because the whole "rising tide raises all boats" thing simply can't be true.

I knew plenty of people with no home phone and no TV and perpetually with no car growing up. I can't say I know anyone like that now. I know a few people who have momentary transportation issues or who drive around a mess that shouldn't be driven, but that's the closest it gets.

I drive a hot mess that is a 90's GM but am 93 percentile in national income. Not quite 1% yet but working on it, maybe that's part of why I actually have money - the ability to invest in things that don't automatically depreciate.

If we're talking about standard of living, of course it's gone up in this country. But comparatively speaking, the top 1% (and possibly 10) are acquiring money at a much faster rate than the other classes. This creates the rich get richer scenario.