MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
That was exactly my point. A lot of daycares are SH!T. We saw the type you are talking about with the kids lined up in the swings being left alone. And of course we didn't send our son there. But that is not how all of them are. If you take the time to go to 5-10 diferent places, and listen to recommendations, etc, I'm sure you'll find one that is good. Like I said before our daycare is great! Everytime I walk in there the kids are all smiling laughing and playing. My son is 1 year old and has been coming home with art projects for months now. He loves to be read to because they read at the daycare. He is learing new things all the time. So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
JulesMaximus
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Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
I agree, we looked around quite a bit and found a daycare that isn't one of those places where nobody cares about my child. He is in good hands, they have very little turnover and the women working there genuinely care about my child. They take time and read to him, he gets to go outside and play, they have plenty of safe things to play with inside as well. It is very structured and he is learning valuable social skills. I saw places where there are two disinterested fat women and a room full of screaming babies. My daycare isn't one of those places. The ratio of teachers to children is like 4 to 1 and sometimes less (my son is almost 2 now) and there are generally only 4-5 children in his "class."
Any time you get a bunch of young children together they are going to pass germs around. School is the same way. I look at it this way, when he goes off to school in a couple years he won't be nearly as susceptible to the usual illnesses as the other children who haven't been in daycare and he won't have as hard a time adjusting to school either (nor will we).
There are positives and negatives to daycare but I don't think it is fair to say that all daycare settings are horrible.
Homerboy
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Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
Ok I obviously agree that there some that are better than others. I guess my main point being that as a parent... when I CHOSE to be a parent, I realized it was my job as a parent to raise my children. Period. I sacrificed the large screen TVs, the cars, the toys the trips etc so I could raise my children.
HomeBrewerDude
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- Jan 18, 2001
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Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
Ok I obviously agree that there some that are better than others. I guess my main point being that as a parent... when I CHOSE to be a parent, I realized it was my job as a parent to raise my children. Period. I sacrificed the large screen TVs, the cars, the toys the trips etc so I could raise my children.
lol you crack me up.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Good for you. My point is that I've CHOSEN to be a parent too. But neither me or my wife wants to give up our jobs, our nice house, our cars or our big screen TV. Why should we? Our son gets 100% of our attention when he is with us and 100% attention when he is at daycare. He plays all day long and is happy as a clam.
Your way works for you, my way works for me. And I really don't think either of us can say our children are going to be "Better Off" for having lived their childhood one way or another.
StageLeft
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How come?Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
Ok I obviously agree that there some that are better than others. I guess my main point being that as a parent... when I CHOSE to be a parent, I realized it was my job as a parent to raise my children. Period. I sacrificed the large screen TVs, the cars, the toys the trips etc so I could raise my children.
lol you crack me up.
I agree with you Mooby. Every time I pick up my son from day care he's smiling and laughing and alert. He's not four months old and loves to just sit and watch the other kids playing.
It's all about the service you choose for your kids. If you're going to put them in a terrible daycare center then they're going to get terrible service. Shop around, do your research. You're looking for someone to care for your child.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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Skoorb, I pay $450 a MONTH for the best day care in the city. I'm sure it depends a lot on where you live, but that's ridiculous.
Like I said above, I'm sure it depends on where you live, but around here you could hire a nanny for less than that.
So if I interpret this thread correctly, most people think daycare is good for the child's immune system?
LOL, my son's immune system is not as important to me as having him healthy, polite, and having all the qualities that I value in a person. I don't think they get the attention they need in day care, and my personal experience proves it. I got tired of paying $250 a week to drop my son off, just to pick him up 8 hours later with a full diaper, hungry, with bruises, bite marks, scratches, etc.
It's not worth it, even without the problems I had. Only my wife and I can raise our son like we want, so we made the difficult choice and she quit work to take care of him. I agree with the other poster that said many of our society's ills are caused by letting people who can't get a better job raise our kids until they can be dropped off at school. I wasn't going to risk it, and my son is well-mannered, socially balanced, and intelligent. Oh yeah, he's not sick as much either. He's now 6 y.o. and has not been in day care since just before his first birthday.
I know it's a sensitive subject and I'll probably get flamed, but my opinion is that the only time day care is acceptable is if there is only one responsible or living parent.
Flame away, but you'll never convince me that having more money is worth letting a drop out raise your child during their most formidable years.
LOL, my son's immune system is not as important to me as having him healthy, polite, and having all the qualities that I value in a person. I don't think they get the attention they need in day care, and my personal experience proves it. I got tired of paying $250 a week to drop my son off, just to pick him up 8 hours later with a full diaper, hungry, with bruises, bite marks, scratches, etc.
It's not worth it, even without the problems I had. Only my wife and I can raise our son like we want, so we made the difficult choice and she quit work to take care of him. I agree with the other poster that said many of our society's ills are caused by letting people who can't get a better job raise our kids until they can be dropped off at school. I wasn't going to risk it, and my son is well-mannered, socially balanced, and intelligent. Oh yeah, he's not sick as much either. He's now 6 y.o. and has not been in day care since just before his first birthday.
I know it's a sensitive subject and I'll probably get flamed, but my opinion is that the only time day care is acceptable is if there is only one responsible or living parent.
Flame away, but you'll never convince me that having more money is worth letting a drop out raise your child during their most formidable years.
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Every place is different. The daycare we send our son too (Primrose) is $170/week and we are on the NE side of Atlanta. My brother sends his daughter to a church daycare in Alabama for $80/week. My sister is waiting on a non-church daycare near where she lives in Alabama for about the same price.
There is a daycare system in Atlanta called "Creme de la Creme" that is $250 per week.
We had a nice long talk with the owner of the daycare today and voiced our concerns over what my wife saw with the teacher and the wipe cloth. He assured us that that is not their policy and that this would be brought to her attention. I still don't feel 100% ok with this but we'll give it another week or two.
We just need to find a good place for him until we can get him into the Prep school we want and then into the Private school we want. My wife will have three days off a during the middle of the week and I work from home one day a week so we'll probably be dropping in and doing surprise visits plus taking him out for some quality time. At most, he won't need to spend more than 2-3 days a week there.
HomeBrewerDude
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Originally posted by: Skoorb
How come?Originally posted by: HomeBrewerDude
Originally posted by: Homerboy
Originally posted by: MoobyTheGoldenCalf
Well, I'm going to flame you anyway.
So PLEASE don't generalize with moronic statements like "Daycare is horrendous" Honestly, it really offends me when people say crap like that. Like parents who stay home with their kids are so much smarter or better than people who send their kids to daycare.
Ok I obviously agree that there some that are better than others. I guess my main point being that as a parent... when I CHOSE to be a parent, I realized it was my job as a parent to raise my children. Period. I sacrificed the large screen TVs, the cars, the toys the trips etc so I could raise my children.
lol you crack me up.
Because he is so egocentric that he thinks that his way is the only way. There is nothing wrong with sending your kid to daycare. There have been studies that show quality daycare provides advantages that stayhome kids dont' have. What about when kids go to school.... do their parents become less involved in raising them just because they are in class for 8 hours/day? I don't think so. Its ridiculous to claim that the only 'real' way to raise a kid is by staying home with them. I one parent is necessary, then why not two? If kids need so much parent time then how did we ever manage to get out of caves? 150 years ago, kids were used as labor! And if they were too young to work then the parents were too busy with staying alive to spend attend to their newborns all the time.
That's not really relevant since he's not exposed to as much either. He'll just be sick more often than other kids when has to start school.
I'm not going to flame you, JemCam. I simply don't agree with your opinion. In some situations it's not possible to have one parent stay home and day care is really the only option. If you can find an excellent day care provider then there's really nothing to worry about. Sure the kid's going to pick up stuff at daycare, but then he's going to pick up things at school. You can't determine a child's outcome by having mom or dad stay home with him in the first five years of life. A child is shaped by experiences throughout his maturing years. A good daycare simply adds to those experiences.
I think you had a bad run-in with day care providers in your area and that's too bad. There are good, honorable providers out there, it's simply a matter of finding them. And as with anything in life, the child is going to be shaped by a whole plethora of experiences. You can't shield them from everything.
HomeBrewerDude
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I'm only playing devil's advocate here and I'm not being argumentative, but here's my take on your quote above.
If you're talking about picking up colds, I can deal with that. It's the other "stuff" they pick up like being mouthy, learning bad words too young, etc. that I can't tolerate.
The first years are the most important, his immune system and any other social skills that he hadn't picked up in pre-school (half days for a couple months each year) he'll learn and is learning in kindergarten. I'm satisfied that my son has had the best first start that I could have possibly given him, and that's the most important thing. If you're happy and satisfied with your kids situation, that's great! I just didn't think it was worth it for me.
StageLeft
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I don't think it's necessarily good for the immune system. My brothers and I at least never went to daycare, sucked on the titty for a while athe beginning, and have well above average immune systems. For all intents and purposes I don't get sick, and never have. I've had probably 5-10 legitimate sick days since the age of 10.
MoobyTheGoldenCalf
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I nominate this for stoopid post of the day award. Obvisouly you didn't interpret the thread correctly
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