Concealed carry holder stops mass shooting

[Texashiker]

After the newton shooting there were several articles on various sites stating that no mass shooting had ever been stopped by an armed civilian.

Example article - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings

not one of 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way.

As usual the gun haters ignore the facts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ers-military-vet-with-concealed-carry-permit/

A man walked into a bar in Portland and started shooting. Three people were hit.

Concealed carry permit holder followed the shooter outside and shot him.



* Just for reference, I am considered this a mass shooting because more 3 or more people were hit by the same shooter.

 

[BUnit1701]

After the newton shooting there were several articles on various sites stating that no mass shooting had ever been stopped by an armed civilian.

Example article - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings



As usual the gun haters ignore the facts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ers-military-vet-with-concealed-carry-permit/

A man walked into a bar in Portland and started shooting. Three people were hit,including an armed bouncer who had a concealed carry permit.

The bouncer though injured fired back striking the shooter which brought the shooting spree to a stop.



* Just for reference, I am considered this a mass shooting because more 3 or more people were hit by the same shooter.

Right wing rag obviously covered up all the innocent bystanders who were killed by the CCP holder.

 

[highland145]

Off duty security guard stopped one in a church some years back, the right way.

 

[Daverino]

The bouncer though injured fired back striking the shooter which brought the shooting spree to a stop.

The guy was shot in the back by a second bouncer after the shooting. He was walking out of the club at the time. This would be the second homicide at this Portland club in the past two years. I'm not surprised the bouncers are armed. Totally justified shooting too, and I'm glad the perp got shot.

But please, this wasn't some random guy at the club who heroically shot the shooter before he could finish his spree. The guy that shot the perp was a paid security guard. He was not able to shoot the perp before he had finished emptying his mag and was on his way out the door.

 

[Atomic Playboy]

The Clackamas Town Center shooting a year back was also reportedly stopped by a CCP holder; he didn't actually fire on the shooter, but claims the shooter saw him and ran off (and then committed suicide). So we Oregonians are doing pretty well in the CCP justice department.

 

[DominionSeraph]

But please, this wasn't some random guy at the club who heroically shot the shooter before he could finish his spree. The guy that shot the perp was a paid security guard.

This. I thought conservatives had a problem with designated authority forcibly disarming citizens? The bouncers have no authority over a "sovereign citizen" such as our heroic shooter.

 

[Venix]

Attempted mass shootings have been foiled by CPL holders, security guards, and other private citizens, but Mother Jones is only counting successful mass shootings. A CPL holder who stops a mass murderer before enough people die doesn't count.

It's a slimy and dishonest tactic, but that's expected from anti-gun groups. Suicides, justified homicides, and terrorists killed by police are "gun violence victims", 19-year-old gang members are "child shooting victims," etc.

Edit: Also recall that nearly all of the most devastating mass shootings have occurred in "gun free zones." Prohibiting concealed carry and then asking why concealed carry didn't prevent a shooting is ridiculous.

 

[Doppel]

Attempted mass shootings have been foiled by CPL holders, security guards, and other private citizens, but Mother Jones is only counting successful mass shootings. A CPL holder who stops a mass murderer before enough people die doesn't count.

It's a slimy and dishonest tactic, but that's expected from anti-gun groups. Suicides, justified homicides, and terrorists killed by police are "gun violence victims", 19-year-old gang members are "child shooting victims," etc.

Pretty much this.

 

[Moonbeam]

See I told you so but you never listen. So now you're going to listen. I have the proof right here. I always new I was right so I never paid any attention to what you said. Just look right here.

 

[Lithium381]

Attempted mass shootings have been foiled by CPL holders, security guards, and other private citizens, but Mother Jones is only counting successful mass shootings. A CPL holder who stops a mass murderer before enough people die doesn't count.

It's a slimy and dishonest tactic, but that's expected from anti-gun groups. Suicides, justified homicides, and terrorists killed by police are "gun violence victims", 19-year-old gang members are "child shooting victims," etc.

Edit: Also recall that nearly all of the most devastating mass shootings have occurred in "gun free zones." Prohibiting concealed carry and then asking why concealed carry didn't prevent a shooting is ridiculous.

brought to you by the same people that regulate the shit out of the market and when it fails claim "see the free market doesn't work!"

 

[CLite]

After the newton shooting there were several articles on various sites stating that no mass shooting had ever been stopped by an armed civilian.

Example article - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings



As usual the gun haters ignore the facts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ers-military-vet-with-concealed-carry-permit/

A man walked into a bar in Portland and started shooting. Three people were hit,including an armed bouncer who had a concealed carry permit.

The bouncer though injured fired back striking the shooter which brought the shooting spree to a stop.



* Just for reference, I am considered this a mass shooting because more 3 or more people were hit by the same shooter.

I mean from your own article

John Baer, also a bouncer at the club, said that he witnessed his wounded friend fall to the ground and decided to intervene. He said on the Lars Larson Show Tuesday that he followed the suspect outside and shot him with his pistol.

The shooting spree stopped because the perp walked outside, and the wounded bouncer was not the one that shot him. Perhaps the article changed since you posted?

Hope the victim put into a coma makes a full recovery.

 

[ivwshane]

I mean from your own article



The shooting spree stopped because the perp walked outside, and the wounded bouncer was not the one that shot him. Perhaps the article changed since you posted?

Hope the victim put into a coma makes a full recovery.

Ah shit!! There you go busting their bubble!

Obviously reading is a skill these guys lack.

 

[Capt Caveman]

Misleading title. Reported. No mass shooting was stopped. Killer stopped on his own and left the bar. Another THRT

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I mean from your own article



The shooting spree stopped because the perp walked outside, and the wounded bouncer was not the one that shot him. Perhaps the article changed since you posted?

Hope the victim put into a coma makes a full recovery.

He didn't choose to walk outside because he was committed to a life of non-violence. He ran away because he was shot at.

 

[Triumph]

I will agree that the OP's example isn't the best to prove his point (a point which I happen to agree with). But I do want to thank him for pointing out how ridiculous the argument made by Mother Jones actually is:

"not one of 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way. "

There's probably a fancy legal latin term for this argument that means, "An argument stated in such a way as to preclude counter argument." There's no way to know how many mass shootings were stopped by guns because they didn't happen! How many accidents a day are avoided due to attentive driving? There were 34,000 automotive fatalities last year! Not ONE of those fatalities was avoided due to attentive driving! It's insane that anyone would want to pay attention while driving!

Aw hell, let's go straight for the jugular. Here comes Godwin. Nothing the Allies did in WW2 was able to stop Hitler, because Hitler committed suicide. The same is true about guns stopping mass shootings.

 

[CLite]

He didn't choose to walk outside because he was committed to a life of non-violence. He ran away because he was shot at.

I'm sorry but where did I imply his decision to leave was motivated by inner peace?

I only read the article the OP listed and corrected his statements based on his article. The article doesn't state if he was shot at in the club, it only indicated the bouncer followed and shot him. Maybe the video shows defensive shots were fired indoors? either way OP needs to find a better article to link if that's the case.

 

[CLite]

He didn't choose to walk outside because he was committed to a life of non-violence. He ran away because he was shot at.

Well I spent 5 seconds googling.

I have no idea where you get your information from but...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mystic-Gentlemens-Club/147215751978308

Mystic Gentlemen's Club
January 13
With all the rumors and speculation about the incident that occurred on Saturday, January 11th, We would like to share the TRUTH of these events leading up to the incident that critically injured one of the Mystic Family, our beloved Brian "Hulk" Rizzo.

Brian Rizzo was working our door when a group of Hispanic men entered the club. While he was checking ID's a male behind the group began making racial slurs and tried to intimidate them. After letting the group pass, Brian refused entry to the man and asked him to leave. This person left the club and tried re-entering a few minutes later, at which point Brian refused entry to him again and instructed him to leave. Brian Rizzo told other staff members that he had a bad feeling about the guy and wanted to keep him out because he seemed like trouble.

30 minutes later the suspect returned wearing a new layer of clothing and a Halloween mask. He entered the property, walked in the door and shot Brian. A second shot, directed at him missed, hitting the floor and causing fragments or debris to ricochet, resulting in minor injuries to two people. The shooter then turned and calmly walked out the door. Our other security guard immediately followed the perpetrator and stopped him.

Both Rizzo and Baer are heroes and we should all remember that all of our security staff work every day to keep us safe! Our thoughts and prayers go out to Brian and his family, and to all of our staff, patrons and entertainers who have been affected by the actions of this disturbed man.

Mystic has set up a fund with Wells Fargo - Brian Rizzo Donation Fund

Care to provide your source that he left because he was shot at?

 

[WHAMPOM]

After the newton shooting there were several articles on various sites stating that no mass shooting had ever been stopped by an armed civilian.

Example article - http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2012/12/armed-civilians-do-not-stop-mass-shootings



As usual the gun haters ignore the facts.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...ers-military-vet-with-concealed-carry-permit/

A man walked into a bar in Portland and started shooting. Three people were hit,including an armed bouncer who had a concealed carry permit.

The bouncer though injured fired back striking the shooter which brought the shooting spree to a stop.



* Just for reference, I am considered this a mass shooting because more 3 or more people were hit by the same shooter.

You need to read the sources you use to just to make sure they backup what you post.

 

[WHAMPOM]

He didn't choose to walk outside because he was committed to a life of non-violence. He ran away because he was shot at.

Ditto the former post to you too.

 

[ivwshane]

How to pwn a righty retard:
Step 1: read their source of outrage.
Step 2: post the relevant parts of the story they didn't bother reading that totally invalidates any point they were trying to make.

 

[Jaskalas]

This. I thought conservatives had a problem with designated authority forcibly disarming citizens? The bouncers have no authority over a "sovereign citizen" such as our heroic shooter.

A person shooting innocents has forfeited their life, let alone anything else.

 

[Venix]

* Just for reference, I am considered this a mass shooting because more 3 or more people were hit by the same shooter.

That's what initial reports said, but the guy actually only intended to kill the bouncer. His second shot missed his intended target and inadvertently injured two others, and he left immediately afterwards.

It's good that he was neutralized, but I doubt anyone else would have been shot at the club had he been allowed to leave. That said, he has a history of rapidly escalating violence so it's certainly possible that he had other targets.

This inaccuracy doesn't diminish the other cases where mass shooters were neutralized by privately-owned firearms, nor does it give any credence to that awful Mother Jones article, although some of the more immature posters here will certainly focus on this nonsense rather than the larger issue.

 

[destey]

Permit for a right? That's stupid IMO. You don't need a permit to come on this forum and exercise your first amendment privileges. We don't have that kind of violence in Vermont, because there's not soft targets all over the place where only specially permitted individuals can defend themselves. Anyone could be carrying. Sort of like panopticon, a criminal never knows who's carrying so he has to assume everyone is.

Every state needs to revamp their laws to Vermont style. Then they would reap the benefits of widespread armed civilians (lower crime).

 

[Texashiker]

Misleading title. Reported. No mass shooting was stopped. Killer stopped on his own and left the bar. Another THRT

Just because the shooter moved from one physical location to another does not mean he would have stopped shooting,

http://www.kgw.com/home/Man-who-shot-strip-club-shooting-suspect-talks-240198551.html

John Baer also works as a bouncer at the club. In an interview on the Lars Larson show Tuesday, he said he followed the suspect outside, pulled out his own pistol and shot him.

 

[Venix]

Permit for a right? That's stupid IMO. You don't need a permit to come on this forum and exercise your first amendment privileges. We don't have that kind of violence in Vermont, because there's not soft targets all over the place where only specially permitted individuals can defend themselves. Anyone could be carrying. Sort of like panopticon, a criminal never knows who's carrying so he has to assume everyone is.

Every state needs to revamp their laws to Vermont style. Then they would reap the benefits of widespread armed civilians (lower crime).

Vermont is 95% white and has no large cities. I think those factors play a much larger role than gun laws.

I fully support Constitutional carry and the elimination of most existing firearm restrictions, but I doubt that adopting such policies would significantly reduce crime (except maybe in high-crime anti-gun hellholes like DC or Chicago). Most of the country is already shall-issue, so people who want to carry guns generally already do.