Concealed carry holder stops mass shooting

[MomentsofSanity]

Permit for a right? That's stupid IMO. You don't need a permit to come on this forum and exercise your first amendment privileges. We don't have that kind of violence in Vermont, because there's not soft targets all over the place where only specially permitted individuals can defend themselves. Anyone could be carrying. Sort of like panopticon, a criminal never knows who's carrying so he has to assume everyone is.

Every state needs to revamp their laws to Vermont style. Then they would reap the benefits of widespread armed civilians (lower crime).

You should probably familiarize yourself with the First Amendment as you have no rights here. It doesn't apply in any way.

 

[CLite]

Just because the shooter moved from one physical location to another does not mean he would have stopped shooting,

http://www.kgw.com/home/Man-who-shot-strip-club-shooting-suspect-talks-240198551.html

You aren't going to correct your post about who shot back? Hint: it wasn't the wounded bouncer and also it wasn't immediately "shooting back" it was following the perp out the door and shooting him.

 

[fskimospy]

Permit for a right? That's stupid IMO. You don't need a permit to come on this forum and exercise your first amendment privileges. We don't have that kind of violence in Vermont, because there's not soft targets all over the place where only specially permitted individuals can defend themselves. Anyone could be carrying. Sort of like panopticon, a criminal never knows who's carrying so he has to assume everyone is.

Every state needs to revamp their laws to Vermont style. Then they would reap the benefits of widespread armed civilians (lower crime).

You actually do need a permit to come on this forum and speak. That's what account registration is. That permit can be revoked at any time.

 

[Texashiker]

You aren't going to correct your post about who shot back? Hint: it wasn't the wounded bouncer and also it wasn't immediately "shooting back" it was following the perp out the door and shooting him.

I honestly thought the opening pot was correct.

But yes, the opening post has been edited.

 

[CLite]

I honestly thought the opening pot was correct.

But yes, the opening post has been edited.

It should be noted only 1 person was hit by the shooter with bullets. The other two sustained minor injuries due to debri being ejected by bullets which missed the primary target and hit the floor.

This really wasn't a mass shooting, just a violent asshole who wanted to get revenge for being rejected. Ultimately he got what he deserved due to the actions of the one bouncer.

 

[Daverino]

I honestly thought the opening pot was correct.

But yes, the opening post has been edited.

You didn't yet correct that the concealed carrier was paid by the strip club to be there as security and not a serendipitous bystander.

You also didn't add that the concealed carrier did not have a CC permit.

 

[Texashiker]

You didn't yet correct that the concealed carrier was paid by the strip club to be there as security and not a serendipitous bystander.

You also didn't add that the concealed carrier did not have a CC permit.

This aint a government handout program.

Just because I give one thing does not mean you can form a line.

 

[Daverino]

This aint a government handout program.

Just because I give one thing does not mean you can form a line.

Hah, so you admit that there are factual errors in your post but you won't correct them because they don't fit with your narrative.

The liberal bias of truth strikes again!

 

[Texashiker]

Hah, so you admit that there are factual errors in your post but you won't correct them because they don't fit with your narrative.

The liberal bias of truth strikes again!

What do you want me to do?

 

[Triumph]

This really wasn't a mass shooting, just a violent asshole who wanted to get revenge for being rejected. Ultimately he got what he deserved due to the actions of the one bouncer.

How do you know it couldn't have turned into a mass shooting?

 

[CLite]

How do you know it couldn't have turned into a mass shooting?

As described by the club in which the shooting occurred
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mysti...47215751978308

He entered the property, walked in the door and shot Brian. A second shot, directed at him missed, hitting the floor and causing fragments or debris to ricochet, resulting in minor injuries to two people. The shooter then turned and calmly walked out the door.

Should every murder/attempted murder be labeled as a possible mass shooting? I agree with your previous post that it's silly to try and document how many mass murders have been successfully stopped, obviously a stupid path to go down. However, I think we can easily classify this event as a pissed off patron trying to murder the bouncer who didn't let him in.

 

[Pray To Jesus]

I will agree that the OP's example isn't the best to prove his point (a point which I happen to agree with). But I do want to thank him for pointing out how ridiculous the argument made by Mother Jones actually is:

"not one of 62 mass shootings in the United States over the last 30 years has been stopped this way. "

There's probably a fancy legal latin term for this argument that means, "An argument stated in such a way as to preclude counter argument." There's no way to know how many mass shootings were stopped by guns because they didn't happen! How many accidents a day are avoided due to attentive driving? There were 34,000 automotive fatalities last year! Not ONE of those fatalities was avoided due to attentive driving! It's insane that anyone would want to pay attention while driving!

Aw hell, let's go straight for the jugular. Here comes Godwin. Nothing the Allies did in WW2 was able to stop Hitler, because Hitler committed suicide. The same is true about guns stopping mass shootings.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

 

[DucatiMonster696]

Violence will always exist within humanity and in all areas of the world and with some cultures it is at the core of their being. I just finished watching video about Papua New Guinea and its culture of violence which has made it one of the most violent places in the world. It is so violent it has one of the highest murder rates in the world.

http://www.nytimes.com/video/world/asia/100000002595425/a-culture-of-violence-.html

Now you may think that area maybe awash with firearms so this is why it has a such a high murder rate but the reality is the vast majority of people killed in that island nation are killed via wooden arrows, blunt weapons, edged weapons, etc. So lets not fall for the dangerous myth perpetuated by gun grabbers that the panacea to violence in society is somehow the confiscation of a right guaranteed in the US Constitution.

 

[WackyDan]

Of course no mass shooting has ever been mitigated by a CCW holder... You can't call them a mass shooting if that were the case.

Sometimes journalists need to retake the journalism 101 test before they get published.

 

[Victorian Gray]

Violence will always exist within humanity and in all areas of the world and with some cultures it is at the core of their being. I just finished watching video about Papua New Guinea and its culture of violence which has made it one of the most violent places in the world. It is so violent it has one of the highest murder rates in the world

Actually it doesn't. It's around #57 in world homicide rankings (2012) and if you take the time to research the country you find out that a large portion of the violence seems to be related to the various international corporations or the country's govt..

world homicide rankings:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate

It truly has an appalling record sexual violence against women but again, a large portion of that is related to the behavior of various international corporations and the govt.

A place to start leaning about Papua New Guinea:

http://www.hrw.org/world-report/2013/country-chapters/papua-new-guinea

To blame the violence on some inherent aspect of their 'culture' is, at the very least, misguided.