Conan or Warhammer or WoW in 2008?

[QueBert]

Conan will have combos, nothing more boring that click on an icon style combat. LOTR and all the other MMORPG's I've played have the same dull combat interface. Conan I can actually control the fighting and string together MK like combos. I might actually want to play this one

 

[Acanthus]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: effee
Warhmmer duh.

I don't see a WoW clone beating out WoW. I think WoW will still be the number 1 MMO in 2008.

WoW pretty much caters to everyone. Warhammer seems to be catering to PVPers. AoC caters to an adult audience, but as for PVP or PVE, not sure. I'd have to say that most MMORPG players are PVE players.

I don't think I'll ever understand the PVP aspect of an MMO. there's just no skill involved at all. If you want PVP, go play an FPS game.

Warhammer is far from a WoW clone, Mythic began work on Warhammer online before WoW went beta... Its more of a "themed" sequel to DAOC.

Warhammer, if its ANYTHING like dark age, will be far far better in the pvp department.

 

[imaheadcase]

Warhammer by a long shot, WoW may still have more players, but droves will flock from it to Warhammer when its released.

Warhammer is NOT just pvp, you can level to 40 (highest level) in the game without touching rvr/pvp at all if you want. The quest system on it is FANTASTIC, much better than wow ( i got to lvl 45 in WoW on warrior and was bored out of my mind cause quests are so dull and pvp is laughable at best). I esp like the questing in Warhammer cause other players can join your quest and help out and get exp from it regardless if you ask them, you get full credit/item whatever, but they also get exp for helping you. This gives incentive for players to help out because they also get something out of it. The questing is very open ended.

Tome of Knowledge is also a great tool in game, unlock items for doing certain things in game without evenknowing about it (killed 20 mobs I unlocked a item for example that helped kill other mobs easier)

The open aspect of Warhammer is fun, its also one of the few MMO out there that you can jump into and play if you only got a few minutes of time to play (good for us 40 hour a week work people).Warhammer and Wow similarities end at the characters, they are 2 completely different games. It offers superior pvp/pve in every way so far what i've seen, seeing its beta it can only get better. The PvP is fun so far, because its beta I can't comment on it other than its better than most games, other than Dark age of camelot, cause when I play itI find myself going "dang it why can't I do this or that like daoc! lol But thats just 4 years of DAOC talking

 

[Vonkhan]

Originally posted by: TallBill

Originally posted by: pontifex

I don't think I'll ever understand the PVP aspect of an MMO. there's just no skill involved at all. If you want PVP, go play an FPS game.

Ahh, you are used to WoW PVP apparently. There is major skill involved in PVP depending on the game. 100 vs 100 town raids in Shadowbane, equally huge battles in Star Wars Galaxies, decent 1vs2 or 2vs2 in UO. Even in WoW some skill is required to be decent. PVP in an MMORPG is as good as it gets. PVE is for for pussies. WoW screws up so bad on so many fronts. Like not being able to craft items. Sure, you can go through the motions and manufacture items, but you don't actually craft anything. There is no skill and no difference in results.

I'll be picking up Warhammer myself. Got to lvl 60 in WoW and was bored as hell.

Yup, some of the SWG PvP battles we had on Bria were epic - city lockdowns that lasted weeks, base takedowns ...

MMORPG is a very different animal when it comes to PvP, depends a lot on skill, gear, level (d-uh) and your internet connection. In pre-CU SWG, if you were a jedi, PvP had serious consequences depending if you survived or not. -10,000,000xp in the hole if you sucked heh

 

[lein]

Sadly, I think wow will still be on top

 

[Fingolfin269]

WoW. Isn't Warhammer a pvp game? There is no way a PvP-centric game is unseating the champ.

 

[Genx87]

It is hard to say which will be the "best" as that is subjective. Chances are high Warhammer will be the best for me. However I still think WoW will have 8 times the sub base of the other two combined.

 

[Mem]

Been playing WoW for a good few months now and I left a few weeks back,game is well overated,Warhammer Online I'm looking forward to,goes to show that WoW being no.1 means nothing.

 

[jlarsson]

Even if WoW were to lose half of their subscriber base, they'd still have around 4-4.5 million subs (if their own published numbers are indeed accurate). To be honest, I don't see either AoC or Warhammer approaching those kind of numbers.

As to the question of which one will be the best? I'd say it would be a matter of personal preference, since they all seem to be focusing on different aspects (WoW being a PvE game, versus Warhammer being "advertised" as a RvR/PvP game).

 

[coloumb]

obviously WoW. Sure, it has it's flaws, but everything about it seems just right for everyone from the novice [noob] to the hard core raider to the pvp'r.

 

[Drift3r]

**db**

 

[Acanthus]

WoW stands for Waiting on Warhammer

 

[lupi]

Given that WoW has 9 million people paying (albeit many are paying less than the US $15), it will be very hard to erode there lead in a final year.
 
for the new games I am most interested in Warhammer. Partly for what they are saying of its design basis and partly for the license it represents. Can't really comment about Conan though as it seems there is very little trickling out about that one.
 
 
For those saying there is little desire for PvP content, I'm still laughing. I guess that while the majority of the WoW pop is on PVP servers or that a seemingly majority of people playing on PVE realms are in a BG/arena queue you'd know more.

 

[BZeto]

Originally posted by: pontifex

Originally posted by: effee
Warhmmer duh.

I don't think I'll ever understand the PVP aspect of an MMO. there's just no skill involved at all. If you want PVP, go play an FPS game.

Disagree. There is a large difference in skill between a top player and some random noob. Depending on the class, but gear doesnt count for everything. Also, there is a reason the top arena teams stay at the top, and it isnt a gear difference.

As for me, I've quit playing WoW, but will probably check out Warhammer when it comes out.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: BZeto
Disagree. There is a large difference in skill between a top player and some random noob. Depending on the class, but gear doesnt count for everything. Also, there is a reason the top arena teams stay at the top, and it isnt a gear difference.

As for me, I've quit playing WoW, but will probably check out Warhammer when it comes out.

They're actually a lot alike if you think about it. In the "newbie" fights, you won't see much other than a couple moves and maybe some tactic or two, but in high-end fights, you'll see use of items such as bombs in engineering and such. This is also true in FPS games as players tend to switch based on their surroundings and possibly what weapon their enemy is using (because that may dictate where they need to be and distance dictates which weapon you may want to use). FPS games also have the idea of remembering spawn timers... in WoW, you will remember your CC timers and your opponents cooldown timers. Of course, WoW has addons to put timers on the screen for you, which makes it easier... but you still must take this into account. There's also a bit of prediction on what a player will try to do in a situation... this takes into account the class of the opponent(s). FPS games would tend to be the map that you'd need to know and possibly the person's play style (long range sniper/camper type, etc).

There's a lot more than meets the eye for WoW PVP that some people won't get because they simply have never even played in an advanced match.

 

[ggnl]

Originally posted by: coloumb
obviously WoW. Sure, it has it's flaws, but everything about it seems just right for everyone from the novice [noob] to the hard core raider to the pvp'r.

As a pvp'r, I'm sorely disappointed with the current pvp system in WoW. The arena system is nice, but it made battlegrounds and world pvp completely obsolete when it comes to obtaining high end gear, meaning arenas are the only PvP that matters anymore. It's great for all the overinflated egos in the WoW forums that love to flaunt their ratings, but for people like me who want to do more than just deathmatch over and over again there's just not much to do.

I'll be trying Warhammer when it comes out. I'm hoping I don't like it so I can just stop playing MMORPG's altogether.

 

[Acanthus]

There is no skill to the PvP in wow beyond knowing your class reasonably well.

There was however plenty of skill involved with other games i play, namely neverwinter nights, diablo, daoc, and shadowbane.

 

[Fingolfin269]

Originally posted by: lupi

For those saying there is little desire for PvP content, I'm still laughing. I guess that while the majority of the WoW pop is on PVP servers or that a seemingly majority of people playing on PVE realms are in a BG/arena queue you'd know more.

WoW PVP is pretty much a joke. Calling BG/Arena 'PvP' in relation to games like UO or SB tells me you've never played a true PvP mmo before. Then again, maybe you are and have just forgotten what it's like...

Proof that WoW PVP server pop is greater than PvE pop would also be appreciated because I don't believe that at all.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
There is no skill to the PvP in wow beyond knowing your class reasonably well.

There was however plenty of skill involved with other games i play, namely neverwinter nights, diablo, daoc, and shadowbane.

Knowing your own class involves knowing all other classes' counters to your own techniques. It's a lot more involved than some give it credit for.

I keep hearing about people saying there's "tons of skill" involved in DAoC, when after my cousin explained the game to me as the pvp consists of 1 type of character setup, a guy that can do this super, duper impossible to beat armor technique and a type of player that can break it, so unless you're both, you'll never win. Sounds like that requires lots of skills there.

 

[Drift3r]

Originally posted by: Fingolfin269

Originally posted by: lupi

For those saying there is little desire for PvP content, I'm still laughing. I guess that while the majority of the WoW pop is on PVP servers or that a seemingly majority of people playing on PVE realms are in a BG/arena queue you'd know more.

WoW PVP is pretty much a joke. Calling BG/Arena 'PvP' in relation to games like UO or SB tells me you've never played a true PvP mmo before. Then again, maybe you are and have just forgotten what it's like...

Proof that WoW PVP server pop is greater than PvE pop would also be appreciated because I don't believe that at all.

PvE and PvP are just about even in populations.

http://www.warcraftrealms.com/...evel=70&servertypeid=1

 

[Hacp]

PvP characters sell for more than pve.

 

[Newfie]

I am looking forward to Warhammer as the PvP system in WoW is a joke. The class imbalances are absolutely disgusting and personally i'm sick of it.

I think Warhammer could possibly be the best MMO when it's released, but WoW will still retain a huge amount of subscribers and still be considered the #1 MMO.

 

[tHa ShIzNiT]

Originally posted by: Newfie
I am looking forward to Warhammer as the PvP system in WoW is a joke. The class imbalances are absolutely disgusting and personally i'm sick of it.

I think Warhammer could possibly be the best MMO when it's released, but WoW will still retain a huge amount of subscribers and still be considered the #1 MMO.

I agree with you on the imbalances. Seems like a few classes right now are way overpowered...rogues, warlocks, warriors, and druids. Now, they are quite inferior when they are not geared, but when they are geared they are unstoppable, all 4 of them. Granted, I have a 70 warrior and 70 warlock, but I dont even play them anymore because its just too easy. I have more fun playing my mage, but unfortunately he is squishy as hell and I just dont stand a remote chance against the 4 mentioned classes unless they have terrible gear or no clue how to play.

EDIT: I'm gonna go ahead and throw hunters into that list also. They are unbeatable with good gear, unless of course you are a geared out (x) where x = one of the 5 classes in question.

 

[Aikouka]

Originally posted by: tHa ShIzNiT
I agree with you on the imbalances. Seems like a few classes right now are way overpowered...rogues, warlocks, warriors, and druids. Now, they are quite inferior when they are not geared, but when they are geared they are unstoppable, all 4 of them. Granted, I have a 70 warrior and 70 warlock, but I dont even play them anymore because its just too easy. I have more fun playing my mage, but unfortunately he is squishy as hell and I just dont stand a remote chance against the 4 mentioned classes unless they have terrible gear or no clue how to play.

EDIT: I'm gonna go ahead and throw hunters into that list also. They are unbeatable with good gear, unless of course you are a geared out (x) where x = one of the 5 classes in question.

A Rogue can't beat a protection spec'd Paladin. Why don't you consider good shadow priests in this mix of indomitable characters? Even back when I used to play my shadow priest, my gear wasn't great (only the top tier PVP gear was decent enough), but he still beat the pants off most people. He's holy now, so I have no idea how good he is, but I haven't heard anyone say that shadow priests have become easier.

 

[TheAdvocate]

Originally posted by: Acanthus
There is no skill to the PvP in wow beyond knowing your class reasonably well.

There was however plenty of skill involved with other games i play, namely neverwinter nights, diablo, daoc, and shadowbane.

Just funny to read all you youngins talkin about "real PVP" when 99.99% of you never played the original NWN on AOL back in the mid to late 90's.

It's horribly outdated now, but no other game gave as much of an advantage to the thinking player. By comparison, all of the other games mentioned nowadays are horribly dependent on gear, character level, and sometimes latency. oNWN had a lot in common with chess, including positioning and anticipation/thinking 3 or 4 moves ahead, in real time.

And all PVP games these days are just player/team A versus player/team B. In oNWN, you had A, B, and computer controlled npcs that would attack/act randomly unless you skillfully manipulated them to harass your opponent. There's absolutely nothing like that on the market today.

Finally, oNWN had the death chamber. It was the original deletion PVP match. Loser's character is erased. Try that in one of these games like WoW.