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[harobikes333]

If its going to mabe kill my CPU lol I don't think I'm planning on OCing until like googer said: about 10mins before I buy a new computer:

I would OC but when I build the computer it will be the only computer in the house and if the OC for some reason kills the CPU or in worst case all the parts then I'd be out of a computer since the computer I'm using right now is runnin at 780mhz with upgraded 300+mb of ram... and its not going to last forever...

I'm hoping to start out at least with 1 gig of ram. Because I do plan on playing some games.
I'm still wondering if I should go ahead and get the opteron 170 or the 165 and not OC it..... or else get the 3800 X2 instead.

Any help would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks for replying and I hope to here from ya😀

By the way if you want to PM me with answers I'm fully open to that also😀

 

[ribbon13]

Overclocking will never kill your CPU. Ever. The worst it will do is cause you to have to reset the CMOS if the computer won't boot. Any it deosn't really effect your warranty either.

raising vCore is what kills CPUs. so what you want is to find the highest stable overclock at stock voltage. 100% safe.

 

[harobikes333]

So how high can I OC the Opteron 165, the one thats sold out everywhere, on stock voltage? It still voids the warranty though.. doesn't it?:
What do you suggest I do?

By the way I've permanently decided that I'm going with this PSU that you suggested😀 :Seasonic S12-500 S12 Series 500W costing 115.77 with the slowest shippping I could get.

 

[harobikes333]

I'm now positive I'm going to either get the 165 or the 170.

Even though the 165 is out of stock I'm not concerned about that as much as which one to pick

Any suggestions on mobos???
ram<==No need for crazy good OCing ram but I'd like 1 gig to start out with at least.
I'm planning on waiting until next week to acutally buy the computer because the 7800GT will almost definitly go down if the new 512MB graphics card comes out by next week😀

 

[harobikes333]

holy🙁 I don't know if I should make a new Topic. I'll try one more bump and then if it gets lost in the pages I donno what I'm gonna do...🙁

well here it goes:
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I'm going to get one of these:

COOLER MASTER Centurion 532 RC-532-SKN1 Black Computer Case

COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Computer Case
How many extra fans should I get, what size, anyone have any suggestions?
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I'm planning on getting the Opteron 165(1.8ghz) or the 170(2ghz)
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Price: $299.00+$6.80SH retail Opteron 165
Price: $356.00+$5.90SH retail Opteron 170
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Price: $104.75+$11SH PSU=Seasonic S12-500 S12 Series 500W 500 Watt ATX SLI Power Supply
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Price: $102+$3.50SH Seagate Barracuda 7200.8 250GB 3.5" Serial ATA150 Hard Drive - OEM

I'm out of time so I don't know what other parts I'm going to get besides that I need about 1gig of ram to start off with and I'm hoping for a 7800GT of some sort😀

Hopefully all of you terrific people out there will have the heart to respond to a noob like me:

Thank you for your time and I hope to hear from ya.

Sincerly, Harobikes333

 

[ribbon13]

I dunno, overclocks vary from chip to chip, cooling, motherboard, power. Find your highest stable overclock at stock voltage, and keep it there. I mean, free performance is free performance, even if your overclock is terrible. Technically, it still voids your warranty, but there is no way for AMD to tell (stock voltage!). It's an issue of morality really. (example) My stance is this, overclock at stock voltage all you want, consider your warranty still good. But the moment you raise vCore, if it dies, its all on you. And they CAN tell when a chip died from vCore.

That's an oem 170. OSA170CDBOX.

Motherboard suggestion: Stick with the DFI Ultra-D or get the Epox

Get the Gigaram DDR433 Cas2.5 like I linked earlier. It's very much worth the minimal price difference ($15) from the cheapest DDR400 CAS3 sticks.

 

[Googer]

It does not matter in how you justify it, overclocking is still overclocking. What I hate most is when someone breaks something and then does not have the guts to admit it is their fault. Since they cannot take responsibility for their actions and take the loss as it is, they instead pass the cost of that broken chip that was their fault on to the Maker or Seller of that part who in turn passes on the cost to me and the guy next to me who wants to buy one. I am the one who pays for your selfish mistakes. I am paying more for it because of YOUR FRAUD.

RMA ABUSE is hurting us all! Stop the Fraud!

 

[harobikes333]

I'm not planning on buying all these parts until the new 7800GTX card comes out that has 512MB or something like that. And so then hopefully then dropping down the 7800GT price a little bit. So I'm just going to say that I'm going to get a 165 Opteron for the time being.

Whats the big difference between the Epox and the DFI Ultra-D? Also exactly which DFI mobo are you talking about>_< :?

Also wondering: That gigaram DDR433 Cas2.5, will that OC really well? Can I get the CPU up to 2.0+ with stock voltage and that 1 gig stick of ram?

Can anyone give me an answer on the case and fans question?

Sorry about all the questions, I'm hoping to hear from ya all😀

P.S. Googer I took into consideration the 512MB stick you suggested but I'm need a 1gig stick.

 

[Zebo]

Well since you asked...

First of all case is most important to me. I like being surrounded by beautiful things life too short not to. Check out CoolerMaster WaveMaster for $100. In various colors
http://www.cluboverclocker.com/reviews/...er/blue_wavemaster/images/Img_0003.jpg

Not only that Cases you keep for like ever so might as well grab quality and something that grabs you.

Get value ram and only 1GB.. what you need 2 for? Ram must be the biggest gimmick sold I swear. ram for $66
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820220037

Here's PSU you want.. Forton underppowered dual rails may cause you problems.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817182010

Rest looks great.

 

[harobikes333]

Wow!!!😀 Thank soooo much for replying🙂 I appreciate it a ton!!!

Thanks for the edit you did too😀 even more help😀

Seeing my situation you can kinda see that I'm in need of some revising of parts, which you did🙂

Again to repeat myself:my budget it $1500MAX
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Will that ram work with the Opteron to oc to 2.0 with stock voltage? Just wondering😀<===Talking about either of the RAM you posted.

Will that PSU be able to power say if I threw in an extra HDD and mabe OCed also?

I noticed you edited your post again and took out the dual 512 patriot ram. Any reason?
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I'd rather not bombard you with questions all at once so I'll just post again once I've gotten these questions answered😀

 

[harobikes333]

bump
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Also here is a outline on what I'm trying to get into my computer🙂
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I'm trying to get a dual core 650 Opteron, 7800GT,250GB HDD, dvd burner,1gig to start with at least RAM, and if I Can I'm going to try to get a 19 in LCD though I'm guessing that the 19in is out of the question ....mabe....

 

[Googer]

How much ram should you use and how many DIMMS should one buy?


That depends on how many 512MB Sticks we are talking about, how much money you have to spend on memory and ram you want.

There are technical advantages of 2 smaller DIMMS over one large one or four really small ones- put simply it is about 5-10% faster for AMD Systems and with some Intel systems it is a 20-30% boost to go from single channel to Dual Channel memory.

Contrary to popular belief "Matched Pair Kits" are no better than just buying two pairs of the same DIMM of the same size and brand in two packages purchased separately. The only advantage Matched pair kits may have is price.


Dual Channel vs. Single Chanel

Basicly it is the number of memory controllers in a computer.


Single Channel is where a computer system has one memory controller. One Stick of ram works best, but two or more can be added to any single memory controller. The disadvantage of having more than one stick of ram installed on a single controller is you will have to run the memory controller at a slightly slower memory timing when compaired to a single stick of ram. The loss in performance how ever is not great (around 5%).

Dual Channel is where a computer system has two memory controllers.The advantage here is that each stick of RAM gets the full attention of the memory controller. Also twp cheaper and smaller sticks of RAM can be used to get a larger amount of system memory. Dual Channel also doubles the amout of memory bandwith avalable to the processor since the computer is reading from two sticks of ram on two separate controllers. Think of it as RAID 0 for your RAM


In modern Intel Computers the memory controller is located on the northbridge, so all Intel Chipsets with model numbers higher than 865 (865, 875, 910, 915, 925, the future 975, etc) all have dual channel memory controllers. For a performance boost, AMD 64 Systems have memory controllers intergrated on the CPU.

Dual Channel is reverse compatable
You can how ever operate a dual channel system with only one DIMM (memory stick) and it will run in single channel mode.

If you have a motherboard that supports dual channel and want to install four sticks of ram, it will work but each of the two memroy controllers will have to operate two sticks of ram at lower memory timings. If the motherboard is single channel with four DIMMS installed then the single memory controller will have to take it's time to operate all four sticks of ram. Socket 754 AMD 64 is single channel, Intel Chipsets Older than the the 855 and some older Athlon XP's/Durons chipsets are single channel (except nforce 2).