Computer Leasing as a business? Anyone get into that, or work for a company that does it?

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I think because of things like Windows 10 and Apple products, you're going to be hard-pressed to find much tech support/teaching stuff. They make the new OS' stupid easy for things like network setups for the most part...

Most you will find are people that have 7 year old laptops on an old OS and they are wondering why it's so slow... Have fun with that.
 
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Personally, I think if you're REALLY passionate about making some side-cash for PC related stuff, you need to go into a higher market.


Face Facts: When it comes to PC - your average Joe has ridiculous expectations. They want their shit to work out of the box - and the fact that it isn't blazing fast in 6 years is unacceptable to them. These are the bottom rung of the market. Avoid it. They don't want to pay for a new computer, even though they have reached their end of life - so they want YOU to fix it for pennies. These are NOT the kind of people you should do business with. Period. I don't think trying to teach them is that great of an idea either - but I agree that it's probably a better idea than replacing their PC Parts for free... It's more straight-forward of "I'll teach you stuff for 1 hour of my time for $120" or whatever.

Maybe go for more along the lines of a middle to upper-middle class folks who want to buy their son Billy a NEW ULTRA COOL computer - and sell them the likes of a gaming rig at a higher margin with stuff like watercooling.

Or maybe I'm totally wrong here, dunno.
 
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No you are mostly correct ... problem is the profit margin on hardware is (I believe) around 1-2% at best and that's for the big guys, so what you have to sell is service and support.

I'm thinking of a market of the type where their kids are "gamers" but they are still computer stupid. I mean, do mainstream PC makers (HP, Dell, etc.) these days even sell watercooling and cool cases? Obviously if they know about the likes of Newegg, etc... But I'm talking of upper middle class folks with money to spare getting their kids a cool present kind of thing.

I just remember when I used to keep up with hardware stuff ran into some guys on the forums that would do ridiculously cool case mods and then sell them.
 

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I mean, do mainstream PC makers (HP, Dell, etc.) these days even sell watercooling and cool cases?


I used to build custom PC's all the time but its actually been quite awhile since its been profitable enough to be worth doing. For "normal" folks I now go the "refurb-I5/I3" Dell myself then charge to set it up or maybe add an SSD.

High-end gaming machines are on the radar of the big companies but things like water cooling are still niche market. They can however be had if your willing to cough up the cash.... and that's the rub. I find that MOST people who are willing to spend big bucks on an awesome gaming PC are enthusiast's and want to do the building themselves.


Dells version of "High-end" gaming


One example of a "boutique" vendor


EDIT: Bored so just ran through the Origin PC config ... for a relatively basic 9700k based rig with water cooling we're talking roughly $2300 shipped w/1 year warranty.
 
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Red Squirrel

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One thing to keep in mind too is anything online sales related requires you to charge HST, PST, GST and all the other taxes depending on what provinces/states you cover. It can get complicated very fast since you need to file for each jurisdiction. I think there is a minimum sales before you're required to do this but it varies per jurisdiction too. For the longest time you didn't need to charge taxes online but think that changed a few years ago.

That said there may possibly be a market for GOOD gaming PCs, it seems most companies that try it fail horribly.
 
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Real talk: You'll make more money turning all those computer parts into art doodads to sell on etsy than you ever will leasing computers.
 
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and that's the rub. I find that MOST people who are willing to spend big bucks on an awesome gaming PC are enthusiast's and want to do the building themselves.
Yeah, that's... part of my marketing problem, in attempting to sell PCs.

Face Facts: When it comes to PC - your average Joe has ridiculous expectations. They want their shit to work out of the box - and the fact that it isn't blazing fast in 6 years is unacceptable to them. These are the bottom rung of the market. Avoid it. They don't want to pay for a new computer, even though they have reached their end of life - so they want YOU to fix it for pennies. These are NOT the kind of people you should do business with. Period.
I was trying to undercut the big OEMs... at the low end (GASP!), with custom-built boxes, and you're pretty spot-on with some of my customers. They would call weekly, "hey, my computer is "pausing". (Is it your internet? Is it your HDD? Is it your CPU overheating? TBH, at one point, an older SATA HDD that I bought used from someone here on the forums, eventually bit the dust in their PC as a secondary storage HDD, and WAS causing "freezing". Took a long time to diagnose and figure out what they meant by "pausing", because they didn't describe it well, and it wasn't blatently obvious. When the drive finally kicked the bucket, and the desktop was freezing for seconds at a time, which is what Windows likes to do when a SATA device isn't responding, is when we figured it out.)

The best though, was when I got someone a new monitor (well, new to them, it was purchased from a local recycler for cheap, and given to them for free). They claimed that it slowed down their PC. It was a 4:3 LCD. So I got them a wide-screen, and they went back to being happy.

I've never heard of a monitor, actually "slowing down" a PC, but best that I can figure is, because of the aspect ratio, more vertical space was being shown on their web sites that they frequented, and therefore, more web content was on-screen at once, therefore, more scripts were running, etc., more videos, etc., and slowed down a little. But this person is, IMHO, a bit hyper-sensitive to lag. (A "Competitive Gamer".)

I mean, do mainstream PC makers (HP, Dell, etc.) these days even sell watercooling and cool cases?
Sadly, they do. They charge a high enough price for them, that it may be possible to slide a precisely-budgeted budget gamer build with some bells 'n whistles in under that price, but it's increasingly not worthwhile (for the small-time builder).
 
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They don't really use proprietary parts anymore. If you wanted to turn it into a budget gamer, a gfx card and maybe a new psu would do it. It's already got 16gb ram. Besides, we're talking about granny here. The c2d she has is fine. It's already waiting on her to issue comnands. An i5 would die of boredom :^D
LOL!.
 

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Hey man, if you are looking to make some money, and are somewhat technical, why not look for work from home technical jobs? Unless that kicks you from your disability?
 

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Hey man, if you are looking to make some money, and are somewhat technical, why not look for work from home technical jobs? Unless that kicks you from your disability?
I went looking on Amazon.jobs. Found a cushy work-from-home (*"virtual") tech-support position that they were hiring for.

ONLY hiring applicants from Costa Rica.

:(

No US company (*) wants to hire US citizens, I tell you.

(*) Multi-national
 
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Given that small amount of money in profit is all you are looking for, there is a biz model, perfect for you, where you would do better than that.

You need to volume purchase those cheap refurbs you are buying. You throw the guts in a case with a bunch of RGB unicorn vomit lighting (RGB sells PCs), add a entry level vid card, and sell them as gaming PCs on ebay. There are a couple of companies using this formula, killing it there right now. And, with a bit more aggressive pricing, and slightly superior specs, you would start moving them as fast as you can build and ship them. You offer 120 day warranty with tech support, and have upgrade pricing for every component. Just look at the listings on ebay and copy what they do. The key is more aggressive pricing, meaning lower profit margin. Since you are not looking to make a living off of it, you will do really well. Certainly there will be issues and hassles, but that is how a business works. No way you will lose money like you do now.

Definitely do the LLC and get your EIN, and also research local, county, and state regulations regarding your biz. Start up cost will be comparatively low, and once the first batch of PCs are sold, you should have that investment back and then some. I would offer extended tech support for a fee too, support is where the money is at. Offer a discount if done at time of purchase.

@VirtualLarry I am liking @DAPUNISHER idea more and more.
here is an Etsy seller $2,400 (and more) for a machine that likely specs out part wise to cost $2,100. This is a business that could work for your make a little extra.
Stick with the high end don't muddle around in the low end. Once you make a few machines where you profit by a few hundred you could do a low end machine for someone who needs it or keep the extra it’s your choice.
You have the assembly, configuring and shopping skills to make this work. Set up a business Facebook page, do some boosted posts and see what happens. I would not buy the equipment until you get an order. I’d stay firm on prices and I would definitely charge something for shipping.
Throw up a cool picture of something you have or could build and some seed money to get your Facebook business page boosted posts or ads out there and you are good to go.
If you get an order immediately reach out to me, I’ve been itching to make a trip to micro center.

oops Etsy link


US Seller with a better margin. I suspect he is doing what I advised above with the 2 week shipping time.

 
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@VirtualLarry I am liking @DAPUNISHER idea more and more.
here is an Etsy seller $2,400 (and more) for a machine that likely specs out part wise to cost $2,100. This is a business that could work for your make a little extra.
Stick with the high end don't muddle around in the low end. Once you make a few machines where you profit by a few hundred you could do a low end machine for someone who needs it or keep the extra it’s your choice.
You have the assembly, configuring and shopping skills to make this work. Set up a business Facebook page, do some boosted posts and see what happens. I would not buy the equipment until you get an order. I’d stay firm on prices and I would definitely charge something for shipping.
Throw up a cool picture of something you have or could build and some seed money to get your Facebook business page boosted posts or ads out there and you are good to go.
If you get an order immediately reach out to me, I’ve been itching to make a trip to micro center.

oops Etsy link


US Seller with a better margin. I suspect he is doing what I advised above with the 2 week shipping time.


Yeah but what happens when the 2080TI burns out in 3 months? Or a year? Unless its literally just advertised as a 'find good deals + build service' it seems like a lot of risk and work for not a whole lot in return. And the more orders you get the higher chance of people having an issue.

One messed up PC or particularly demanding customer (for whatever reason you can think of) could cost an entire year in profits when you are making 200 bucks a machine.
 
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Yeah but what happens when the 2080TI burns out in 3 months? Or a year? Unless its literally just advertised as a 'find good deals + build service' it seems like a lot of risk and work for not a whole lot in return. And the more orders you get the higher chance of people having an issue.

One messed up PC or particularly demanding customer (for whatever reason you can think of) could cost an entire year in profits when you are making 200 bucks a machine.

larry is near a Best Buy & microcenter he could just buy the extended warranties for the initial orders. Admittedly this isn’t a super profitable business model but it meets what he is looking to do. Save 20% of each orders profit and once enough is banked stop buying the extended warranties.
Go big don’t play in the low end.
 
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You sound like you just want to justify building more computers. Well ok. Make some tutorial videos for youtube. It will give you an excuse to take apart your existing computers and rebuild them.
 

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Speaking of remote work. A lot of employees are working from home. Once the boss catches on to how 80% of their jobs can be done from home, I think we can expect more outsourcing in the coming years.
 
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Speaking of remote work. A lot of employees are working from home. Once the boss catches on to how 80% of their jobs can be done from home, I think we can expect more outsourcing in the coming years.

Who was speaking of remote work?
 
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I don't "do" Facebook. Not at all.

You don't need to, you will need a profile but that profile can be private and have zero "friends". Then you create a business page.
You will need to check in occasionally to check for interactions and stuff but this would purely be a business page thing.
I am not sure about computer sales but I would guess $10 to $20 dollar ad buy would get your ad in front of 2k to 6k people over a 7-10 day period. I am making broad assumptions with the exposure figure but the cost figure is pretty accurate with the expectation you may need 75k views to make a sale.
 

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One thing might be to sell them "as is" and be VERY firm about that. The PC would come with the motherboard box that has the manuals and CDs and accessories etc and also any other boxes like the GPU, CPU etc and if anything goes wrong they have to deal with the warranty.

Instead of selling a computer you're selling a build service, basically.