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Greenman

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Count your lucky stars that you're not using Redwood decking. The stuff is worth it's weight in gold.
 
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Count your lucky stars that you're not using Redwood decking. The stuff is worth it's weight in gold.
My Parents had a redwood sided house
If I remember correctly the sold pric included a wood siding upgrade. House was being sided after a big blizzard (1978) then shortly after move in.
Builder started siding it with some shitty cardboard cement filled board that looked very flimsy. I remember that day when my dad & I stopped by to check out the unfinished house, my Dad said “bullshit, I paid for whatever wood” maybe pine(?) work foreman said that wood is sold out due to the weather. My dad said there needs to be wood.
I assume the lawyer made a call about this and turned out only wood available was redwood and from what I heard the lawyer said well it has to sided with wood, you decide.
We moved in with redwood.
30 something years later the siding look nearly new, full sun side was a little dried out but not cracked, no rot, only imperfections was sun side was slightly groves and took twice the stain when it needed to be applied.
 

Greenman

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My Parents had a redwood sided house
If I remember correctly the sold pric included a wood siding upgrade. House was being sided after a big blizzard (1978) then shortly after move in.
Builder started siding it with some shitty cardboard cement filled board that looked very flimsy. I remember that day when my dad & I stopped by to check out the unfinished house, my Dad said “bullshit, I paid for whatever wood” maybe pine(?) work foreman said that wood is sold out due to the weather. My dad said there needs to be wood.
I assume the lawyer made a call about this and turned out only wood available was redwood and from what I heard the lawyer said well it has to sided with wood, you decide.
We moved in with redwood.
30 something years later the siding look nearly new, full sun side was a little dried out but not cracked, no rot, only imperfections was sun side was slightly groves and took twice the stain when it needed to be applied.
Right now lumber is going up so fast that I can't give a firm bid. I just priced some redwood decking and the poorest grade that I consider unusable for a deck is more expensive than top quality clear vertical grain kiln dried material was a year ago. If you can get it.

I nearly had a stroke when 1/2 OSB hit $39 a sheet a month and a half ago, got a quote yesterday for $82 a sheet. The construction industry is about to die.
 
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Right now lumber is going up so fast that I can't give a firm bid. I just priced some redwood decking and the poorest grade that I consider unusable for a deck is more expensive than top quality clear vertical grain kiln dried material was a year ago. If you can get it.

I nearly had a stroke when 1/2 OSB hit $39 a sheet a month and a half ago, got a quote yesterday for $82 a sheet. The construction industry is about to die.
it will balance, all the stuff people didn't do last year is being done now. This isn't to day your business won't last it is just saying at some point the corona payments and jobs will draw down and prices will return to normal.
But yeah that's what started me on the trex thing, it is cheaper or nearly the same cost as replacing with crappy quality wood. Admittedly I need more stuff like the fasteners and I need to replace 20 boards instead or 6 to 10 but still $2oo to $300ish in wood or $600-700 ish in trex. No staining, smooth surface my wife will like. Makes it much easier to accept.
 

paperfist

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Yeah, I have noticed that. The foggy wharf version is similar color thru the whole board. I am likely just going to leave the scalloped end as is if it bothers me I will figure something out. The deck door is our main entrance so there is a good chance it will get on my nerves. Framing just adds to much to the job and I really don't want to go down that road.
Per my reading Trex has changed how they make their boards a few years ago appearently they are far more scratch resistant and less likely to fad after 3 months. I think it was something like the majority of fading will happen in the first 90 days then it slows down so it is possible to replace one board in the future and after 90 days the color should be comparable
I thought besides skirting they made something to 'hide' the ends? I think it's facia boards.

I was looking at the Trex again and they had something like a 25 year fade warranty. Though Greenman could probably chime in as to whether they'd actually honor that. I heard siding and roofing warranties are a nightmare to get covered.

Still even with that improvement I'd also be hesitant about a shovel going through the protective layer. I was going to do my front porch last year with Trex Transend till I learned about that top coating being vulnerable. Like I said though some of their other lines are solid.
 

paperfist

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Right now lumber is going up so fast that I can't give a firm bid. I just priced some redwood decking and the poorest grade that I consider unusable for a deck is more expensive than top quality clear vertical grain kiln dried material was a year ago. If you can get it.

I nearly had a stroke when 1/2 OSB hit $39 a sheet a month and a half ago, got a quote yesterday for $82 a sheet. The construction industry is about to die.
OMG I thought your were joking about OSB until I just looked it up. HTF can that junk cost $82??!?!?!?

I thought redwood was a protected species?
 

Greenman

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I assume redwood if farmed like any other lumber.
All timber products have gone insane, demand is high and supply is shrinking. Some lumber yards have started limiting the amount you can buy at one time. It's not a fun time to be a contractor.
 

Homerboy

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I wanted to do this exact same thing to our rotten 22 year old deck - replace it with composite. "Sadly", we opted to do a refresh of our kitchen instead (which I'm still knee deep in).
I was walking/working on the deck this weekend and snapped through a board :(
 
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I wanted to do this exact same thing to our rotten 22 year old deck - replace it with composite. "Sadly", we opted to do a refresh of our kitchen instead (which I'm still knee deep in).
I was walking/working on the deck this weekend and snapped through a board :(
yeah that could have happened to me if I waited too long.
I plan on keeping my “base” so far it is in reasonable shape. I’ll fix the small rot spots and likely apply a wood preserve plus use the joint tape stuff.
Kitchen refresh is generally a better call, you get much more use out of a kitchen than a deck.
 
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I assume redwood if farmed like any other lumber.
All timber products have gone insane, demand is high and supply is shrinking. Some lumber yards have started limiting the amount you can buy at one time. It's not a fun time to be a contractor.
Hang in there man and don’t take on more customers than you can properly serve and don’t take the easy route on every job. I know it is frustrating when the other guy in the area uses the cheapest stuff and cuts every corner possible. Reality is he is only doing better for the short run, long run you will do better because your business will be on a solid foundation.
 

Homerboy

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yeah that could have happened to me if I waited too long.
I plan on keeping my “base” so far it is in reasonable shape. I’ll fix the small rot spots and likely apply a wood preserve plus use the joint tape stuff.
Kitchen refresh is generally a better call, you get much more use out of a kitchen than a deck.
This is how my wife won the argument. Though I've been saying for 10 years now the deck has to be replaced and every year something else takes it's place - or there's just not the time/money. My substructure is still rock solid. I will once again replace a few of the worst boards to make it through another summer. And maybe next year...
 

Greenman

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This is how my wife won the argument. Though I've been saying for 10 years now the deck has to be replaced and every year something else takes it's place - or there's just not the time/money. My substructure is still rock solid. I will once again replace a few of the worst boards to make it through another summer. And maybe next year...
That might not be such a bad thing right now. Lumber is up 400 to 500% from a year ago. It's mind boggling. I'd actually feel better about if the guy behind the counter pointed a gun at me when he gives me the total.
Hijacking lumber trucks is bound to start happening. And telling my clients "your going to need another mortgage" really sucks.
 

BoomerD

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I assume redwood if farmed like any other lumber.
All timber products have gone insane, demand is high and supply is shrinking. Some lumber yards have started limiting the amount you can buy at one time. It's not a fun time to be a contractor.
Redwood is about impossible to find outside of CA. here in WA, folks use cedar for the things we used redwood for in CA. Decks, fences, siding, etc.

Lumber prices have gotten so crazy, I'm thinking about dismantling my house and selling it for parts... :p

7/16" OSB is about $58/4x8 sheet. 5/8" is about $70. Last time I bought the stuff, (2014) it was about $8-$10/sheet.
 

Homerboy

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That might not be such a bad thing right now. Lumber is up 400 to 500% from a year ago. It's mind boggling. I'd actually feel better about if the guy behind the counter pointed a gun at me when he gives me the total.
Hijacking lumber trucks is bound to start happening. And telling my clients "your going to need another mortgage" really sucks.
Yeah - trust me, it would NOT have been done in wood this year. If I did pull the trigger (which I'm not) the lumbar prices would have "allowed' me to go composite (which is what I really want to do anyways).
 

BoomerD

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I'm in the position of needing to fence my back yard to keep the deer out...and the fckn coyotes who seem to think little rat dogs are scooby snacks. (yes, they've TRIED to get to them)
We had discussed having it done a year ago...mix of 6' chain link across the back so we didn't lose our view and 6' cedar privacy fence between us and the neighbors (or chain link...whichever was cheaper). A bit over 100' total.
Prices from fencing contractors were mostly in the $1500-$1700 range...with the only contractor who is actually from this town coming in at $3200
Fast forward a year...those same contractors are telling me the price for lumber has gone up so much, with the cedar fence run, $3500. If I go all 6' chain link...$2600-$2800.
So...I started looking into doing it myself. :rolleyes: At the local Home Depot, 4x4x8' pressure treated timbers...$25+ each, 2x4x8' pressure treated, about $13 each.
17 4x4 posts, 2-2x4 crossrails between them, 2 sacks of concrete mix for each post...I'm at around $1000 just for the lumber...then around $300 for the 6' welded wire, at least $50 for the staples to nail the wire to the lumber....fckn shoot me.
 

Homerboy

Lifer
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I'm in the position of needing to fence my back yard to keep the deer out...and the fckn coyotes who seem to think little rat dogs are scooby snacks. (yes, they've TRIED to get to them)
We had discussed having it done a year ago...mix of 6' chain link across the back so we didn't lose our view and 6' cedar privacy fence between us and the neighbors (or chain link...whichever was cheaper). A bit over 100' total.
Prices from fencing contractors were mostly in the $1500-$1700 range...with the only contractor who is actually from this town coming in at $3200
Fast forward a year...those same contractors are telling me the price for lumber has gone up so much, with the cedar fence run, $3500. If I go all 6' chain link...$2600-$2800.
So...I started looking into doing it myself. :rolleyes: At the local Home Depot, 4x4x8' pressure treated timbers...$25+ each, 2x4x8' pressure treated, about $13 each.
17 4x4 posts, 2-2x4 crossrails between them, 2 sacks of concrete mix for each post...I'm at around $1000 just for the lumber...then around $300 for the 6' welded wire, at least $50 for the staples to nail the wire to the lumber....fckn shoot me.
Livin' ain't cheap!
 

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