Comparing AMD to Intel - Athlon XP vs. P4

[smashp]

You fail to understand there are 14 actual servers in this space. The newest newisys servers are not 1 U.


I can cram 84 of these servers into a Industrial rack. How many can you put in with full management, power, Battery, and user access like the IBM systems provide.


*CORRECTION* I apologize, I did find their 1u Models. Yet as stated above, I can cram 84 Servers into 1 rack with the newest IBM Blade Xeons.

the Newisys can only fit in about 28

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashp
You fail to understand there are 14 actual servers in this space. The newest newisys servers are not 1 U.


I can cram 84 of these servers into a Industrial rack. How many can you put in with full management, power, Battery, and user access like the IBM systems provide.


*CORRECTION* I apologize, I did find their 1u Models. Yet as stated above, I can cram 84 Servers into 1 rack with the newest IBM Blade Xeons.

the Newisys can only fit in about 28

How many U in these racks of yours?

 

[smashp]

it depends, on the rack size 26U to 48U. If you have all the extras not on the rack you could cram 48 of your servers into the space. The racks i am working on currently are 36U,


Sorry had a brain fart, you can fit 42 in the space I can fit 84 but my server solution will have space left over for management modules and other goodies.


+ ill only have 6 cable messes compared to your 42.

 

[DivideBYZero]

So, leaving rack density behind, now that we have established that the Opteron IS available in a 1U package, lets move on to how much can be done by each:

This comparison is interesting and throws up interesting numbers. It IS a bit out of date, comparing a 1.6Ghz Opteron vs 2.8Ghz Xeons, but this is a fairly good comparison of the two architectures, none the less.

Results on the Nile benchmark showed the dual Opteron system outperforming the dual Xeon by a fairly wide margin. Across a 300 to 500 virtual user load, where transaction processing stabilized with both high disk and CPU utilization, the Xeon averaged 7.6 Pages Received per second, and the Opteron averaged 15.2 Pages Received per second, double the Xeon.

In the response time measurements, at the 200 user load, average transaction time (start to finish) was approximately 34 seconds on the Xeon and 30 seconds on Opteron, but moving to 300 users, Opteron stayed at 30 seconds, and Xeon moved to 50 seconds. At 400 users, Opteron was 35 seconds, and Xeon was near 80 seconds. And at 500 users Opteron was about 50 seconds, and Xeon was near 100 seconds.

So at high load an Opteron will be cranking twice the amount of work for each Xeon unit, hence the fact that you can get nearly twice the amount of the type of blade you mention into an equivilent rack space is irrelevant.

 

[smashp]

Ibm also did a study that showed the Opteron had slightly higher Spec2 scores, yet they are still sold as lower end servers and Ibm Only recommends them for Linux applications.


For Windows Based servers, Xeons are still King. Once Windows 64 bit for amd 64 opts gets released we will see. Yet the solution I am working on curently is a citrix cluster enviroment and that purely calls for 32 bit sys.


I will Never deny the benchmarks the opterons put out are impressive. There are many other factors though that need to be considered. There are Reasons Why Ibm, dell, HP and others are testing Amd based servers in limited quantities.


plus also as a side note.

Remember when alpha had a 500mhz chip for the desktop and servers back during the pentiumMMX days. It could out work any pentium model out there, but ultimately failed to catch on.

 

[DivideBYZero]

Originally posted by: smashpFor Windows Based servers, Xeons are still King. Once Windows 64 bit for amd 64 opts gets released we will see. Yet the solution I am working on curently is a citrix cluster enviroment and that purely calls for 32 bit sys.

The opteron IS 32bit/64bit. The tests in my link are on a 32bit windows platform and clearly show that the Xoen is not 'king'.

 

[uncleX]

I hope the guy from Best Buy in Canada is keeping track of all this.

Maybe you can start a thread of your own. " AMD vs Intel. Which president has bigger...um ... parts?"

 

[smashp]

I can make a Stock honda Civic go 145mph rigt before my tires blow out and i throw a piston.

 

[Jeff7181]

I vote for a lock... this is stupidity at it's finest.

 

[Wingznut]

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I vote for a lock... this is stupidity at it's finest.

You don't think stupid zealot threads are entertaining? Not in the least???

 

[Jeff7181]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I vote for a lock... this is stupidity at it's finest.

You don't think stupid zealot threads are entertaining? Not in the least???

For a while... but 90% of the time, the 2nd page is just annoying.

 

[DAPUNISHER]

Originally posted by: Wingznut

Originally posted by: Jeff7181
I vote for a lock... this is stupidity at it's finest.

You don't think stupid zealot threads are entertaining? Not in the least???

Let's just say I've been going through the Orville Reddenbacher light pretty fast of late